The significance of the Clinton email problem
Many Democrats are circling the wagons, as is their wont.
But so far the flap over Hillary Clinton’s use of private instead of government email for official business while she was Secretary of State has raised two important issues that could make Hillary vulnerable—actually, should make her vulnerable, but that depends on whether the MSM is on her side or not, and how many people care about stuff like the following:
(1) It may have compromised national security
(2) The intent may have been to thwart FOIA requests. In fact, there’s little question that it did thwart FOIA requests.
did she use it to give info to china or outin or iran in return for money?
Hillary is a null set. Unlike the other so-called liberals of her cohort she set out to do good but did not do well. She fell (and is still) in love with a Sweet-Talkin Guy and never had the steel to keep up with him.
I know she made her bed etc. but still I feel bad for her. She is like a person playing Blind Man’s Buff where nobody else is wearing a blindfold.
Mike Barnicle, the old Boston Democratic stalwart, on Morning Joe on MSNBC today said people are getting tired of having to defend the Clintons, and are thinking enough is enough. Let’s hope he’s right.
Funny takeaway for those on the Republican side who are thinking “any one but Jeb Bush” — Barnicle thinks this Hillary-fatigue will make Jeb look like a “fresh face.”
Since the many sordid deeds in her past that have not sidelined her career in power lust, why would this time be any different? Considering her document disappearing act when she was a staffer in the congressional investigation of Watergate over forty years ago, obfuscation through illegally mishandling government records seems to be a penchant of hers.
what difference
at this point
does it make
Matthew M,
Add renting out the Lincoln bedroom, demanding luxurious accomodations for her $300,000 talks, being dead broke, the questions about the Sandy Berger socks. It never seems to stop, and I suspect most people are sick of her. I even wonder whether most young women (not the macroaggressive activists) really even care about her tired old feminist platitudes.
I imagine what’s giving most Democratic operatives cold sweats in the night are visions of all the ads Republicans are going to run about Hillary. Just think of all the videos out there for the taking. I recently viewed one of her cackling over Qaddafi’s death “we came, we saw, he died” and was actually stunned by her giggly manner.
Will Lie-awatha Warren have to run now?
Ha ha ha. Hildabeast is getting voted off the island.
The other issue:
She screwed over her successor: JFK!
The entire diplomatic corps is aware that they have to respect even oral commitments made by their priors.
THIS is why Kennedy’s commitment to never invade Cuba is STILL in effect.
The American commitment to its commitments across the changes in administration is ESSENTIAL for international trust and continuity of policy — where and when it counts.
Of course, this is one area where Barry Soetoro is REALLY leaving his mark.
For he is openly backing away from many prior oral commitments.
Ukraine’s situation comes IMMEDIATELY to mind.
Barry is a war starter — if not war monger.
It’s just that he sells his wars to the other guys.
She’ll have to answer for a lot over the course of a campaign. And the msm will cover for her best they can, pretty much as they have for Obama the last 7 years. Including in the “debates.” Candy Crowley, anyone? But unlike Obama, she’s a known quantity to the public. She can’t hide from the opinions most people already have of her, and I don’t believe she can reinvent herself enough to change people’s minds. Nor is she the “lovable rascal” that her husband is. I don’t think she can hold up for a whole presidential campaign, and I’m starting to think maybe she won’t run at all.
“May” have comprised national security?
Try most certainly comprised national security.
There will be a leak – probably out Israel – that EVERY country was reading HDR’s email daily.
After getting away with her incompetence before, during, and after the Benghazi I have no confidence that this will sink Hillary. The woman has her own ambassador’s blood on her hands and the MSM still treats her like a viable presidential candidate. The only thing that will sink Hillary is the press turning on her.
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I work for a company that provides hosting services for clients who use our software. As a result, we are responsible for securing our clients’ proprietary data. This is no small feat, protecting it from hackers as well as all potential man-made & natural disaster.s I have toured the secured site where our servers reside – in a locked cage in a building maintained by a separate co. that provides the same service for many other organizations, including several federal agencies. I cannot imagine that Hillary’s personal server was as well protected as any of these servers – from hackers, a fire, a server failure, etc. I don’t think Hillary is dumb, she’s just more concerned about protecting herself than America’s secrets.
Don’t forget about the national security implications of Hillary having Huma Abedin as her assistant. Hillary is dumb as a post.
neo writes:
“while she was Secretary of State has raised two important issues that could make Hillary vulnerable…”
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CORRECTION:
actually, raised three important points:
3.) Whether she properly archived any emails used for government business, which is the property of the American people. Which is required by Federal law.
Relatedly, did she knowingly conceal or destroy this public property.
(cont’d)
It is believed that one who is in violation of #3 is a FELONY, the penalty of which is up to 3 years in prison for each document (email) AND prevents the individual from holding public office anytime in the future.
In her Thursday-night WSJ column, Peggy Noonan cuts to the chase:
As Noonan notes, we did learn just last week, after all, that the Clinton Foundation accepted foreign contributions during Hillary’s time as secretary of state.
Surely Noonan’s not the only one in D.C. and elsewhere making that connection. And it’s not a complicated scenario, but rather one most folks can easily grasp. That would give this story “legs”, I would think.
Democrats care about things, just different things. Mainly, did Hillary make them look like fools?
As for point #2: you realize that the entire upper echelons of the State Department must’ve realized that Hillary was using a private email account. She’d been doing this for 6 years!
This implicates a lot more people than just Hillary.
Would this be such a big deal if she had used a private account for just some of her email?
The damage, if any, could have been the same, but I doubt if it would have been as big a story.
How does one circle the wagons to defend against barbarian raiders, when one is pulling the strings of the wagoners and the barbarians at the same time?
One of the benefits of Sarah Palin is that her cracked email account provided no hint of corruption. That’s a tougher security clearance than what is given to many Democrats. Because, by and by, we would noticeably find corruption in their records.
None of this lessens Hillary’s primary emotional appeal to the LIVs; the FIRST WOMAN President. Politically, any alternative to Hillary must offer a similar appeal.
A male Hispanic candidate would have somewhat less appeal among white voters because while benefiting from the meme of ‘white privilege’ still applies, voting for Obama ‘proved’ that those who did so cannot by definition be racist.
A female Hispanic candidate would be golden. In the 2016 election, you cannot get more politically correct.
“The only thing that will sink Hillary is the press turning on her.” Lizzy
Yes and they get their marching orders from Obama.
So if Hillary! implodes who emerges as the Democrat presidential candidate? The field is awfully weak, having been cleared by Hillary in the first place.
I’ll tell you who I see – Michelle Obama. That would fit right in with this administration to try to hand things over to an American Evita. Furthermore anyone who opposes her has to be racist AND sexist.
I have heard people suggest MO as a candidate, if not now then in a later election and thought it was far-fetched. But with Hillary out of the picture I think it becomes a real possibility because the Dems don’t have another good candidate and they will be desperate, a situation Obama (either one) loves to exploit.
HDR is speaking at a meeting of shills/journalists but not taking questions. When she starts to speak the crowd should start chanting “Email. Email. Email.”
Vince Foster was unavailable for comment.
A large faction of the Left does not want her and there seems to be a weird sort of commentary in the MSM over this particular issue. It’s the first scandal that seems to be sticking and people are now picking sides. If the MSM begins to Palinize her we know which faction wins.
Another thing I have never seen mentioned about Ms. Clinton and her tenure at Sec. of State.
By our Constitution, that office is 4th in line for the Presidency.
Minor point, but gives one pause.
I do much the same work as “Lizzy”, above. Given what we know, I am certain Moscow, Beijing, Tehran and others have been reading her mail. Explains much of the past few years on the diplomatic scene.
The media’s reaction will depend on that of the Democratic party. If someone steps up to challenge her for the nomination, the media will trash her, partly because no one really likes her anyway, and partly because they will see it as an opportunity to take down a Democrat and maybe get back a shred of credibility. If no one challenges her in the primaries, they will fall into line.
The media is on her side, but only so long as she is the presumptive nominee. They are loyal to the party and to the agenda, but not to Hillary personally.
I’m with Geoffrey and Lizzy that Hillary’s appeal or lack of it will have little to do with her actual performance or character (or lack of it). Of far greater importance will be that in 2016 she will be an unattractive old woman, lacking charisma without the ability to turn a campaign into a religious frenzy.
Obama may have introduced a new norm into American politics. Successful campaigns may now depend on the ability to get out the vote of the LIVs who normally do not vote by turning their campaign into religious movements. Once “religified” any claim of wonderfulness can be accepted in spite of contrary evidence. One can become sexy by voting for the candidate with the most cool. Political campaigns may now be sex based religious movements. If Hillary could not do it before she probably cannot do it now.
BTW, here is a quiz for Neo Neoconites: If Abe Lincoln and Elvis Presley both returned from the dead and both decided to run for President does anyone think Lincoln would have a chance?
The Clintons have an enemies list. She desires power in order to pay back her allies and to punish those who betrayed her previously.
The Left will obey their orders. Although it depends on who wins the Throne.
I’m pretty certain that it did indeed compromise national security. The hosting company based in the British Virgin Islands is associated with spam, fraud and other nastiness.
I’m sure they set up ClintonEmail.com, and I’m sure they didn’t let any of their other clients influence them, nor did they let their higher-ups influence them.
“(2) The intent may have been to thwart FOIA requests. In fact, there’s little question that it did thwart FOIA requests.” = multiple felonies….
Peter McCabe Says:
March 5th, 2015 at 10:38 pm
“Would this be such a big deal if she had used a private account for just some of her email?”
Depends… if the private email were for insignificant stuff then no. If it were to evade records searches; then yes. Still a big deal.
I’m pretty certain that it did indeed compromise national security.
given we found out about it from the romanian hacker guccifer… it did… he is not the only one with such abilty, and state operators are even better than he is in getting in, and thats that.
even more so, every disk drive was compromised thanks to the NSA…
and even worse, the email encryption uses a signed certificate. rather than spend the money on a new and unique one (which would have established more information of what she was or was not doing), she used her default certs.
then there is the person she hired to set it up… did they have clearance? did they put anything on the machine? did they compromise her machine cause their machie was compromised?
and there is also the ambiguity… even if she gets a fit of honesty and shows all the emails, the fact that deleted emails are really deleted, means we will never know if she actually shows them all or not. there is no way to validate it, so doubt will always remain.
but since we live in a totaliarian state now…
what difference does it make?
just dont confuse totalitarian with actions.
a king can be mean or a king can be nice.
whether or not they are mean or nice does not change the fact that they are kings.
same is true of totalitarinism…
its not defined by its behavior, its defined by its abilty
Nolanimrod Says at
March 5th, 2015, 6:51 pm: “Unlike the other so-called liberals of her cohort she set out to do good but did not do well. She fell (and is still) in love with a Sweet-Talkin Guy and never had the steel to keep up with him.”
That statement sort of boggles my mind. Although we will probably never know the complete dynamic of Clinton Inc.; I am not willing to assume that sweet Hillary ever intended to do good. Unless of course you mean “good” in the same sense that Saul Alinsky meant “good”.
As to doing well, we do know that her ambitions have ridden the Clinton political pony like a champion bronc rider; and her greed has prospered greatly from “the sweet talking” guy’s notoriety.
It is when she strikes out on her own that the “World’s Smartest Woman” comes up short.
I said last year it would be either liawatha or mooch. I think someone (The Sun King, Soros, Dr. Evil, whomever) just punched the Clinton’s tickets to go under the bus. Maybe they figured she wasn’t running in the first place and is just running around hoovering up jackass party money (greedy grifter that she is) and they wanted it stopped. Or billy bj’s antics on the Lolita Express. Or maybe the Sun King planned to stab her in the back from the get go.
Any work place normal, been very high level official place with high level of security restrictions or intelligence had some rules to be follow by all the employee, if the employee broken some rules should been in question if not fired.
In case Hillary Clinton’s use of private instead of government for official business while she was Secretary of State, where are the agencies that look after the security the workplace rule or the use of official material and system from Hillary Clinton when she was in the office.
If Hillary Clinton misuse her email, then those in position for monitoring the official & security of the US government offices should be also questioned why they fail in time when she is in the office to brings this matter forward, Specially there was very dramatic time when US ambassador in Libya was killed by terrorist, during that time she must of communicated during the crises in the office how no one notice that she did not use her official email?
What the Republican Party needs now is someone to get The Harpie to start harping. It’s a little more difficult than getting Obama to go on the defensive, but not that difficult.
Get her talking, then get her hackles up. Even the lowest of low-information voters will see her for what she is.
This may represent a tipping point for Clinton in her institutional democrat support. After all the things the Clinton’s have put the democrats through since 1992, after all the support they’ve been given no matter what, no matter how guilty they look — Hillary does this.
An unforced error. An unforced error of epic proportions. It may be the last straw for a lot of democrat faithful who have been stalwart supporters. After all they’ve been through, Hilary now expects them to defend something so stupid, so unnecessary, so willfully arrogant. It may just be the end of the line for many institutional democrats, and definitely for the already disaffected progressives.
Hillary Clinton Email Scandal – Kelly File – 3/5/2015
http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-kelly.html
Link exchange with CC??
The Ace of Spades podcast this week had quite a detailed discussion of the ramifications of this.
E.g.: WHO set up Hillary’s private server? and what was THEIR “security clearance”?
Right. None. And those persons had TOTAL access to all of the United States’ top-level diplomatic secrets! so EVERYTHING is exposed.
Ace’s gang said this is the worst breach of national security by any government official ever: also, that everyone who got emails from her with that private address KNEW she was doing this, for YEARS, and no one busted her. They said if anyone working in a govt. office even accidentally sees an email from a higher security clearance, it’s S.O.P. for the Men in Black Suits to be called and the whole office to be turned upside down: but Hillary exposes the entire US diplomatic realm, and it’s no biggie?
Re timing: the Scorpion in the White House is moving to get Trotsky/Billary out of the way. He will brook no opposition. This move is also pour encourager les autres.
There’s also the SIX BILLION dollars the State Dept. “lost”, mostly on Billary’s watch.
Rush was speculating that another reason she may have wanted personal email was to conceal getting tips and advice from Her Hubby.