Non-citizen voters
There may be quite a few non-citizen voters, and they may even decide elections in close races.
Why not? It may all be part of the plan.
And it may be harder to control than you might think, even if we had the will to do it. As Jim Geraghty writes:
But this section is fascinating:
“We also find that one of the favorite policies advocated by conservatives to prevent voter fraud appears strikingly ineffective. Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted.”
Is it really that a significant number of illegal immigrants now have a fake photo ID that looks realistic enough to fool voter registration and ballot box authorities? If that’s the case, it’s not really accurate to call them “undocumented immigrants,” now is it? More like “forged document immigrants.” Or is it that the poll workers manning the polling places that day aren’t really bothering to examine the IDs shown to them?
But, as Geraghty also points out, the number of non-citizen voters who were even asked for photo-ID was very small, so it’s not so certain what the effect of voter-ID laws actually would be on the phenomenon of voting by non-citizens.
However, as Hugh Hewitt has said, If it’s not close, they can’t cheat.
[Hat tip: Ace.]
In the Houston area, phony ID, phony proof of insurance, phony everything is common as dirt. Illegals and many legals don’t have any intention of following the law, and contrary to popular media opinion, these people aren’t hiding in the shadows. They’re out flaunting the law and couldn’t care less because the law isn’t going to do anything to them.
As just one example, if an illegal rear ends you on the way to work, ruins your car, and the police are called, they will ask for proof of insurance. Which the illegal will provide, but it will be a phony card. 10 times out of ten, This person has no insurance coverage. The police even know this. If the police write a ticket for failure to control the vehicle, and the person somehow ends up in court, that person will ask for jury trial, demand an a translator, and get a lawyer to defend himself. And it cannot be mentioned in the traffic trial about the accident that the person also had no insurance, or a mistrial is immediately declared.
So the end result is the person who’s been rear-ended by the illegal (or semi legal) will usually walk out without a mark on his license for destroying someone else’s car, who has to file the claim with their own insurance company, and the municipal court does nothing to notify the state that this individual was driving without insurance and was involved in, and at fault for an accident. The person then goes out and gets in his uninsured vehicle, free to smash up somebody else’s property. In his wake he’s cost taxpayers and private citizens thousands, and the idiots on the jury who heard his case never are allowed to hear he didn’t have insurance either, and let him off because they’re sympathetic to this poor down-trodden man who’s just trying to make a living and shouldn’t be penalized for a simple accident.
I’m not making this up- i am speaking from experience. Voter ID cards? You think they’re intimidated by that? They don’t need no steeenking ID cards. Americans who are not exposed to this culture are in for a rude awakening. They bring the third world with them, and they don’t abandon it after a generation or two.
Couldn’t the states make an effort to clean up their voter registrations and issue IDs? And I think anyone using phony documents should be deported immediately with no trial. This shows an obvious lack of respect for our country and its laws.
Actually, I think it’s this: If it ain’t close, cheating won’t work.
Sam L.:
True. I guess the other made a catchier title.
They have several methods they use to manufacture enough votes to steal elections. Non-citizen voting is just one of them, and, actually, it’s employed in places with *less* corruption. In the more corrupt places they just steal the election in the backrooms where the ballots are counted.
Funny how the left can’t abide a straight up and down majority rule honest vote of the citizens in a particular place.
Hewitt is totally wrong.
Digital tyrants can — and have cheated.
Chicago has gone digital.
It’s the NSA(Linux)-Google-Apple-MSFT axis stage/ state managed by Darth Axlerod.
Post-Snowden, one has to be naive to believe that Barry has not/ will not put his Chicago button down on the vote tabulation.
Florida (2012) stinks.
Pennsylvania (2012) stinks.
North Carolina (2012) stinks.
Ohio (2012) stinks.
Colorado (2012) stinks.
Nevada (2012) stinks.
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The digital way:
1) Manipulate the polling prior to the election so that when the rigged tabulations come in they suspend disbelief.
(An essential when fiction is involved.)
2) Use Internet operatives to craft the ‘victory’ narrative. This is aided by:
a) Grossly manipulated ‘official’ statistics.
i) Unemployment
ii) GDP growth
iii) Business formations
iv) Trade figures
v) Bank solvency — mark to fantasy balance sheets
b) Rigging the markets
i) Interest rates
ii) Futures
iii) Commodities
iv) Equities
v) Derivatives
3) Use the Hollywood/ Media/ MSM axis to embellish the Party line — on emotional and fictive grounds; and to damn critical narratives as racist/ sexist/ ***ist.
This is a Counter-Values Campaign which paints America-classic as evil, unjust, satanic even; and which paints the Party line in full glow fantasy; Narnia for Less Involved Voters.
(Their battle cry: Baa-baa, baa-baa… As they sally up the ramp… off into the abattoir./ post-natal abortion clinic.)
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Barry is not only crunching the tabulations…
He’s pulling a ‘Curley’ on the polity.
http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/glaeser/files/curley_effect_1.pdf
The Bourbons had Louis XV. (Barry Soetoro, herein after: BS)
Then came Louis XVI. (? Hillary, herein after: Hell’s Hen.?)
We’ve seen how an election can be decided by a handful of votes. In fact, after a recount (the final arbiter of that recount a Democrat Secretary of State) Al Franken won his Minnesota Senate seat by 312 votes and, it was recently reported that 1,099 of the votes cast in that election were illegally cast, just by felons alone.
Then, of course, helping the Democrats along is the Soros backed, under the radar, ”Secretary of State Initiative,” which has very effectively concentrated on getting Democrats elected to the unglamorous and obscure position of Secretary of State in each state, since it is this official that rules on any election disputes.
In past decades you very rarely saw reports about voter fraud.
Now, such voter fraud is being reported (very reluctantly, I’m sure, by the MSM) as popping up all over, like mushrooms after a rain–ballot box stuffing, missing–and, then, sometimes mysteriously “found” ballots, polls in heavily Democrat districts allowed, on some legal pretext, to stay open for a few more hours after all other polls have closed, deliberate double or triple voting, college kids from one state moving to another for a few weeks so that they can vote and help swing the election, rigged voting machines, forged ballots, voter sign up groups dumpster diving for absentee ballots they can fill out, coaching voters how to vote, or “helping” illiterate voters to fill out their ballots or cast their votes, poll watchers or judges putting their finger on the scale in favor of one party, poll workers who don’t even make a pretense of really checking credentials–the list goes on and on and, almost invariably, it’s the Democrats who’re commiting the fraud.
If the margin of victory is a percentage point or two–thousands, not millions of votes–cheating can swing the election.
Of course, then, Democrats do not want voter ID to become law because that would make some of their fraudulent tactics somewhat harder to pull off.
neo claims, “There may be quite a few non-citizen voters, and they may even decide elections in close races. Why not? It may all be part of the plan.”
“May be”? . . . “MAY BE”?? . . . “*MAY* BE”??? . . . [ smile ]
Everyone here makes excellent points (and I grew up in Chicago, so I’ve seen The Machine first hand), but I don’t worry much about devoting time on a crusade for fair elections. It’s the electorate that stinks.
There likely is a majority in America who are comfortable with any fraud or lie if the result is their favored policies gaining control. I don’t think we have a majority electorate who cares about the rights and freedoms of the individual. Election fraud is downstream from that. The Republic we were given requires an educated (in Civics) citizenry who cherish their God given rights and freedoms (and want to keep their noses out of their neighbors’ business). The US no longer has a majority of such people. With or without election fraud we are destined to continue in the direction of a powerful, centralized government.
A fish rots from the head. Election fraud is a dorsal fin, or maybe the swim bladder.
One of the most difficult things for me to understand is how New England became enamored with Big Government Nanny Statism.
New England was once full of stoic, Yankees who adamantly believed in self-reliance, personal independence, freedom and not concerning themselves with their neighbors’ affairs (unless asked).
Now the bluest of the blue states are in New England. How? Why?
“Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted.”
The weakness is not voter ID per se, but issuing IDs to illegals in the first place (e.g., drivers licenses), voter registration lists that don’t get cleaned up (on purpose sometimes), and polling place workers whose political leanings cause them to have no interest in verifying voter ID.
Rufus T. Firefly Says:
October 25th, 2014 at 9:34 pm
One of the most difficult things for me to understand is how New England became enamored with Big Government Nanny Statism.”
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During WWII the Federal government PAID for labor recruiters to roam the old South — specifically targeting Black share croppers with hale and hearty bodies — to (re) man assembly lines all across the non-South.
This effort included pre-arranged jobs, government paid housing near war plants/ navy yards, free transit (railroad & bus vouchers, advance pocket money (not much — a signing bonus — historically typical for wartime governments of all stripes.) — even shop clothes and shoes per government spec — just as if they were combat troops.
While this started with young males, it was expanded to women, too. (Singles, of course)
This effect created ALL of the labor riots over the next generations. One labor riot occurred May-June 1944 in Philadelphia — over transit jobs. Uncle Sam was drafting Whites to bleed at the front while southern Blacks took their jobs back home. It was noticed by ALL that there were no Black casualties during the war.
[ The Red Tails were a propaganda/ media operation to make Eleanor Roosevelt happy. Virtually everything now in popular perception is a myth and a lie.
1) They lost heavy bombers while under their protection.
2) Their combat tactics of close escort were officially rejected for all OTHER fighter escorts. (Wouldn’t be tolerated by high command. It really helped to have the CinC in their corner.)
3) When they finally met the Luftwaffe — totally by mistake — (that of the higher ups — orders were to keep the Red Tails out of real combat) they got their Red Tails waxed SEVERELY — in seconds. In that encounter, the only pilot to distinguish himself was their commanding Lt. Col. (!)
4) The reason that the Red Tails were to be kept out of (real) combat was because there were essentially no replacement (Black) pilots in the pipeline. A single month of ordinary USAAF combat would’ve destroyed the entire outfit. Eleanor would not have been happy!
The records are clear: equivalent outfits fighting out of England took — consistently — 50% loses in aircraft and 25% loses in men every two to three weeks — weather permitting operations. Compare such two week loses versus the entire European Campaign for the Red Tails.
5) Even with their slim — non-existent — contribution to the war, the Red Tails got no small amount of press — in the right circles. Most of that old time war propaganda is so thick — and obviously / hilariously wrong that it stays in the can, for which we can all be thankful.]
This hiring campaign is — for obvious reasons — blotted out from the modern memory by the Progressives — at every turn. Why remind die hard, blue collar, Democrat voters that FDR gave their assembly line careers away to imported southern Black labor? (Which voted more Republican than Democrat, to boot!)(The latter was not reversed until LBJ.)
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As you might imagine, once ensconced in their new digs — away from their share cropper poverty — no-one wanted to go back into the (segregated) South.
As they, the Blacks, shifted from Republican to Democrat, they flipped Republican bastions into Democrat bastions. They are that aligned with the one party.
Even now, pollsters are of the opinion that without the Black vote, the national Democrat party would be swept out of power… with only a few outposts in the House. Their bloc vote is many times the margin of victory in race after race.
As for Boston, Curley turned it into an Irish bastion. The Irish have always voted Democrat — just like the Jews — and for much the same reason. They got off the boat in the 19th Century — and stayed in the big cities. By the time either ethnic block became massive, all of the best farmland had been taken.
And since both had been second class citizens for centuries back in Europe… they hooked up. BTW, the Democrat party of the non-South was effectively a distinct party from the Southern Democrats. They only hooked up — normally in total futility — for the presidential campaign. So, of course, Democrat conventions have ALWAYS been utterly chaotic. That didn’t stop until the LBJ – McGovern era reforms — which made most of the delegates the will of the partisan (D) voters.
If Barry collapses the economy, the Democrat economic engine will go Detroit. Mass Black and K Street unemployment will be the result. Other massive bankruptcies will afflict Hollywood, the MSM, and the Medical-Pharma-Insurance-Attorney Cartel. Of course it would also destroy Big Banking and Wall Street. The financier class is ALWAYS destroyed during a (fiscal) revolution. (You should see the stats from Weimar Germany.)
As Curley and Barry could tell you, to change the vote, change the voters. It’s really that simple.
If you do read about Black soldiers in WWII combat, keep in mind that the US Army held them back for the victory surge/ lap.
Famously, Samuel Pisar was rescued from the SS by Black tankers. (Of Blood and Hope) [*****]
They had been sent forth only after the German army in the west had utterly collapsed. (Ruhr pocket)
Likewise, symbolic Black infantry swept through the Po river valley to reach victory in Italy.
1) The brass didn’t trust Black units.
a) Astonishing discipline problems everywhere and at every turn. (rapes, muggings, desertions,… the works)
b) Extremely low literacy. So they needed ‘baby-sitters’ to read orders and tell them what to do.
2) As feared, those few Black troops caught — well behind the lines — by Nazi SS were liquidated out of hand. This was also the reason why all Jews in Europe had to be volunteers.
[ There is some confusion on this point. Some branches of the US armed forces were ENTIRELY staffed by volunteers. You could not be drafted in to their ranks:
Submarines
Parachutists
USAAF — wash outs went to the USA
These formations all received hazard pay of one scale or another. (But not glider troops! They were furious. USA idiots thought that landing in a flimsy glider was risk free. As IF!)
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Whereas Blacks were wildly under represented in combat suffering; Jews were seriously over represented in combat casualties. This repeated the Jewish involvement — FOR the Kaiser in WWI. The Arabs didn’t have a clue as to what they were in for.
(Hitler’s own company commander was Jewish… the very man who put him up for the Iron Cross — First Class. FYI that’s an almost unheard of award for an enlisted German soldier. IIRC, less than twenty were issued in all of WWI. Blue Maxes were Chicklets by comparison. It was one of the reasons that Hitler was able to hold his own around Goring, Ludendorff and Hindenburg — and all of his notorious subordinates. )
http://jewish-voice-from-germany.de/cms/hitlers-jewish-commander-and-victim/
[ It still galls me that Jewish American candidates for the Medal of Honor are STILL stacked up at the Pentagon — from WWII. Their heroics were astounding — but their anti-Semitic superior officers refused to acknowledge them. One Jewish Marine single handedly killed a platoon of (entrenched) Japanese soldiers at the cost of his own life. He died with an astonishing eight rifle bullets in him. At last look, his case was still pending. The USMC, at this time, is too embarrassed to reopen the matter, as it makes the institution look terrible. ]
blert; Rufus T. Firefly:
Massachusetts was Democrat pretty early, but Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire (especially the latter) stayed Republican much longer than that.
In 1932 Maine, NH, Vermont, and Connecticut were among a very few states which voted for Hoover rather than FDR. 1936 was the year that yielded the famous saying, “As Maine goes, so goes Vermont,” because they were the only two states that voted for Landon rather than FDR. And they kept it up, too; Maine and Vermont voted for Wilkie in 1940 and for Dewey in 1944 rather than FDR. Maine, NH, and Vermont voted for Dewey rather than Truman in 1948. The entire region voted for Eisenhower twice in the 50s. In 1960 Maine, Vermont, and NH voted for Nixon. In 1964 Johnson took the region (and most of the US). In 1968 NH and Vermont voted for Nixon. In 1972 every state but Massachusetts went for Nixon. In 1976 the region went for Ford (except Massachusetts). The entire region went for Reagan both terms (except RI in 1980).
Here’s the map for 1988. All of New England went for Clinton in 1992 and 1996, and the here is 2000 (take note of NH, for Bush).
It is only since 2004 that New England has been solidly Democratic. And several of the states still have Republican senators, and Maine even has a Republican governor (for the moment, anyway).
All the northern New England states have extremely small black populations to this day. So the black population there has nothing to do with the change to Democratic, which was (as you can see) quite recent for Maine and NH.
People who’ve been in New Hampshire and Maine for a long time believe the change occurred because so many people from Massachusetts migrated to NH, and so many people from Massachusetts and NY migrated to Maine. There may be some truth to that; it’s not hard to change the demographics of these states because they are so tiny in population (people from NY and Massachusetts had already migrated to Vermont, too, and Vermont is the smallest of all in population). I think that’s one of the main reasons the change occurred, although not the only one.
blert, neo-neocon, thanks for the replies and sorry for not being more specific, blert, but I was referring to the states neo-neocon references, not Pennsylvania and Massachusetts. As you partially indicate, their history is very different.
Neo-neocon, I trust your opinion since you live in the thick of it, but it’s still difficult for me to understand how those true, “Yankees” gave way to a generation without Yankee values. Except for the biggest cities, the midwest and south are still rather traditional, even the African American communities (outside of the big cities). And, as you point out, the Yankee states of New England were red even when almost no other states were, and in recent history. Now they elect folks like Bernie Saunders, the biggest proponent of Nanny-statism in Washington. And you can’t tell me there is wide-scale election fraud in Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire!
This is how the Dems retain control of the Senate.
Watch IA, CO and NC.
And the college kids know how to get fake ID’s. The market price in NE is $600.
And the only way to put a dent in this problem is to start convicting and jailing lots of people over this lawlessness.
Rufus T. Firefly:
The old-style New Englanders did NOT give way. They were overwhelmed in terms of numbers by the newcomers. And they died out, too, and were not able to pass their values along to their children as well as before (or their children probably left the state for better economic opportunities, as has happened in Vermont and also Maine).
In addition, now college students can vote, which also changes the proportion of voters from “away” to natives.
In states that are so small, it doesn’t take much to turn things, numberwise.
Can these ILLEGAL Aliens get on airliners with the fake cards?? That this PC-On Steroids Bullshit is not only tolerated but some places(Hello, Gov. Jerry Moonbeam Brown)outright encouraged is a Crime Against Our Country.
I’ve yet to see any of the people caught committing voter fraud being vigorously prosecuted or being given a stiff sentence, and a lot of these types–one woman recently on local TV proudly facing the cameras, boasting about how she illegally voted three or four times in the last election or two–are quite proud of their actions, and show no contrition at all.
It’s all a big joke to them, and considering the paltry penalties involved and the rarity of prosecution, they’re right.
As another poster here said, unless and until voter fraud is treated as the very serious, direct threat to our Republic that it is, until laws are passed making such fraud a felony, involving long jail times and very large fines for those found guilty, and those committing such voter fraud are vigorously prosecuted, and locked up for many years of hard jail time, this plague will only continue to proliferate.
The practice run for the Franken vote was in Washington State during the Gregoire campaign. I think the end result was 212 votes, or thereabouts. Unfortunately the RINOs were too much the gentlemen to respond in any effective way.
Miraculously, ballots were found in unlocked shelves and car trunks with no chain of custody documents and were counted. Backroom bonanza!
We need to go after the election officials who allow this and burn them badly.
Neo, Firefly, Voting fraud is big in NH all the UNH student body is encouraged to vote here most attending UNH are from Mass.
One man was fined for voter fraud, he left NH 20 yrs ago but votes in NH elections from his old ward in Manchester, told the judge “My vote counts here”
A man & his mother went to Keene NH to vote where they had lived in spite of being registered also in Nashua. A State Rep Martha Clark, routinely has democrat stalwarts as many as 8 stay in her home & use that as an address while they vote here & sign an affidavid (sp?) that they intend to domicile in NH but ALWAYS change their minds & leave the wednesday after. (A judge has ruled that intending to domicile in NH is the same as living here & paying taxes, WTF ?)
Dems party workers voting in Manchester have been all using the same phoney address in Manchester that is an office building that has no apartments. One Obama campaign woman was tracked down by NH blogger who follows this & she was recorded as having voted in St Louis & from that Manchester address too, in this past election when NH was in as a *swing state*, Bidens niece also has voted in NH, hasn t been seen here since & thereby stole a vote from a tax paying native.
So voter fraud is alive & well aided & abetted by the party of *choice*, a choice to vote anywhere it
appears to be a close race !
MollyNH:
Student voting is not fraud. It’s completely legal for students to vote in the states where they attend school. It would be illegal to vote in that state and in another state in the same election, however.
Not calling them frauds per se ( i have kind of served up both apples & oranges) just saying that there never was a huge push to have the students vote here being that so many are from Mass, they may have gone home to vote or voted absentee. Just in recent times were they so strongly urged to vote here.
I guess when the left saw what a swing it could make.
I suppose that technically these undecided domicilers
aren t fraud either, just the *spirit* of the notion
“I ll say I want to live there to cast a vote in a small state that is also a swing state” !!
It *steals* from voters who live & pay taxes here & there are local issues on these ballots too, & local candidates who narrowly get in as one party when the populace would have voted in the other party.
It smacks in the face of the locals !
MollyNH:
Definitely.
Blert: You’ve repeated this canard before, that Jewish soldiers had to volunteer to be sent to Europe. It is completely untrue. Wherever you got that information, strike it off your “reliable sources” list.
Southpaw, dkn: The reason the gov’t isn’t doing anything about the rampant use of phony ID is that the Social Security system is being kept afloat by millions of “Ramon Gonzales,” Social Security Number 123-45-6789, who are paying in to the system (via withholding) and will never collect benefits.
Thank you for the answer, neo-neocon. That part about “not able to pass their values along to their children as well as before…” I guess that’s the crux of a lot of the political issues we face today.