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  1. Dr. Craig Spencer and his live-in girlfriend Morgan Dixon exposed New Yorkers in two different boroughs to ebola during their night out on the town.

    Spencer is now being treated for ebola while Dixon is in quarantine.

    They are both registered Democrats with a history of working in public health.

    Both Spencer and Dixon are professional do gooders according to their LinkedIn and professional websites. Spencer boasts a degree from Columbia’s University Mailman School of Public Health, according to his since deleted LinkedIn page.

    Its another case of leftist who want lots of rules, but only apply them to others who need them, as the rules dont apply to them…

    this seems to be a very common behavior
    from the leftist bicycle rider who killed a woman by speeding in central park

    to all the similar left liberals who ride their bikes to save the planet, but do so the wrong way, on the sidwalk, run red lights, etc

    rules are for other people to follow
    rules are for them to make up to impose on others
    but for them?

  2. NEO As for Dr. Craig Spencer, I fault the CDC primarily for not requiring strict quarantine on medical personnel returning from Africa, and on Doctors Without Borders as well, even more than I fault the doctor himself.

    the CDC has no enforcement branch (and rightly so – or we would be wondering what they need with hollow point bullets like the post office and IRS)

    Turns out Doctors without Borders…
    16 Members of Doctors Without Borders Infected with Ebola, Nine Dead
    http://www.jems.com/article/news/16-members-doctors-without-borders-infec

    and that the doc decided on his own to NOT follow the protocols… (of which OBAMA and other DEMS do not want to quarantine, restrict, etc. people)

    Interim Guidance for Monitoring and Movement of Persons with Ebola Virus Disease Exposure
    http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/monitoring-and-movement-of-persons-with-exposure.html

    yes. he “self monitored” but if you read carefully, he did NOT contact places he should have contacted, but decided to hang off doing so and self monitor until he was sick enough THEN call them

    given his exposure level, and what the CDC document says:
    Public Health Actions
    Consideration as a probable case
    Medical evaluation using infection control precautions for suspected Ebola, consultation with public health authorities, and testing if indicated
    If air transport is clinically appropriate and indicated, only air medical transport (no travel on commercial conveyances permitted)
    If infection control precautions are determined not to be indicated: conditional release and controlled movement until 21 days after last known potential exposure

    basically as far as i can tell, he said to himself:
    Self, i am a doctor, and so that constitutes medical evaluation, i will then self monitor, and if sick, call people

    ie. the rules as written dont apply to me, as i am a liberal, and such rules are only imposed on those special others who need them

    under
    Asymptomatic
    Conditional release and controlled movement until 21 days after last known potential exposure

    he didnt want that…
    now he may have murdered his fiance…

  3. Some Risk of Exposure

    Other close contact with an EVD patient in health care facilities or community settings

    Asymptomatic or clinical criteria not met
    Conditional release and controlled movement until 21 days after last known potential exposure

    Fever WITH OR WITHOUT other symptoms consistent with EVD
    Consideration as a probable case
    Medical evaluation using initial infection control precautions for suspected Ebola, consultation with public health authorities, and testing if indicated
    If air transport is clinically appropriate and indicated, air medical transport only (no travel on commercial conveyances permitted)
    If infection control precautions are determined not to be indicated: Conditional release and controlled movement until 21 days after last known potential exposure

    Conditional release

    Conditional release means that people are monitored by a public health authority for 21 days after the last known potential Ebola virus exposure to ensure that immediate actions are taken if they develop symptoms consistent with EVD during this period. People conditionally released should self-monitor for fever twice daily and notify the public health authority if they develop fever or other symptoms.
    Controlled movement

    Controlled movement requires people to notify the public health authority about their intended travel for 21 days after their last known potential Ebola virus exposure. These individuals should not travel by commercial conveyances (e.g. airplane, ship, long-distance bus, or train). Local use of public transportation (e.g. taxi, bus) by asymptomatic individuals should be discussed with the public health authority. If travel is approved, the exposed person must have timely access to appropriate medical care if symptoms develop during travel. Approved long-distance travel should be by chartered flight or private vehicle; if local public transportation is used, the individual must be able to exit quickly.

  4. Artfldgr:

    I’m not so sure about whether those rules actually did apply to him. I went to the link you gave, and it says this [emphasis mine]:

    Close contact is defined as being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) of an EVD patient or within the patient’s room or care area for a prolonged period of time (e.g., health care personnel, household members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., standard, droplet, and contact precautions; see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations); or
    having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an EVD patient while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment.

    My guess is that he was wearing protective gear at all times while having contact. Therefore I don’t think those rules would have applied to him.

    I’m in a hurry and doing this quickly, so perhaps I missed something. But that’s what I saw on quick perusal. He did not have what they define as “close contact,” and until he exhibited symptoms these would have been the rules for him:

    No movement restrictions
    Travel by commercial conveyance allowed
    Self-monitor until 21 days after leaving country

  5. Hatchets need to be registered — if not confiscated; they are so 18th Century, anyway.

    This prohibition should also extend to sawed-off axes.

    People for the Protection of Cherry Trees.

    %%%%

    At least one Canadian has proposed that the national government accelerate the travels of any jihadis that want to tour Syria.

    Revoking passports is simply bad policy.

  6. We have entered the rabbit hole, and there seems to be no bottom to the insanity. Some of my extended family are wondering if we should all cram into the Minnesota cabin and quarantine ourselves. I have squashed that idea for now as I see the disruption to our daily lives unwarranted at this point. We will all have to revisit the idea if the insanity goes exponential.

  7. Attacking three armed cops with a hatchet? That’s either indicative of death-by-cop syndrome and/or simple stupidity.

    BTW, my deceased brother in law spent a number of years in Saudi Arabia in some sort of a medical technician capacity and when he got back he was adamant in his perception of utter stupidity being the norm in the Mideast.

  8. parker,

    Preparation for self-imposed quarantine is the way to be prepared for pandemic conditions and, the bottom of the rabbit hole is a glass parking lot.

    BTW, I greatly enjoyed John Ross’ “Unintended Consequences”, thanks.

  9. GB,

    We are all prepared, probably better so than most of the people who consider themselves preppers. Our daughter and her nuclear family are less so as they live, work and go to private schools in Chicago. I do worry about them for a variety of reasons. Otherwise, we are all by nature and upbringing prepared. Btw, John Ross is an incredible marksman. I’m pretty good myself, but in terms of speed and accuracy Ross is up there with Jeff Cooper, Elmer Keith, and the other AAA shooters.

  10. No one else–even family members of Thomas Eric Duncan, who were exposed without protection when he was far sicker than Dr. Spencer is–has gotten it. That indicates to me that the disease’s contagiousness starts very low and rises quickly and exponentially but certainly not immediately.

    Which means that people who got it when the virus was in low density, will take longer to express the symptoms.

  11. Re stupidity being the norm in the Middle East (Israel excepted), I worked on a medical book about mental deficiencies/retardation of various kinds, and the chief cause by far is inbreeding.

    So study after study after study featured patient populations of, you guessed it, Muslims: because they have an extremely high rate of first-cousin incestuous marriages. The IQ suffers markedly as a result.

    The researchers didn’t call attention to this, but the footnotes told the tale.

  12. Enough years ago, the term “hatchet man” meant a Chinese Tong enforcer/killer. Soooooooooooooooooo, howze come hatchet man ain’t raaaaacist?

  13. People don’t self-quarantine, and they don’t report full-blown ebola cases because they are in denial. That natural human instinct is to believe “If I don’t admit it, then it isn’t true”

  14. Neo,

    The big assumption you make here is that we are being told about the extent of the contagion. While the news that Duncan’s close contacts in Dallas are not infected would be reassuring, the gatekeepers of information are in the tank for Obama and the Democrats and would want to keep news of an out-of-control pandemic bottled up until after they retained control of the Senate in the midterm elections.

    If the news remains reassuring after the elections take place, then I’ll breathe a sigh of relief.

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