Is anyone competent in charge these days?
Or, alternatively, is anyone in charge competent these days?
Dallas Ebola patient Amber Vinson contacted the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention before boarding a commercial flight Monday because she had a slight fever, a federal government spokesperson told NBC News Wednesday.
“Vinson was not told that she could not fly,” the government spokesperson told NBC News.
Note, please, the double negative.
Vinson had been self-monitoring and was reporting her temperature to CDC epidemiology teams routinely…
According to the government spokesperson, when Vinson called in, the staff she talked with looked on the CDC website for guidance. At the time, the category for “uncertain risk” had guidance saying that a person could fly commercially if they did not meet the threshold of a temperature of 100.4.
So, Vinson was reporting back to people at the CDC who had to look at a website.
I’ve looked at that website within the past few days, too. I’m not going to even bother to check it again right now, because I’m pretty sure I recall that it discusses symptoms and risk level and that Vinson, as a person who took care of a known ebola patient in the final stages of his illness (or, actually, at any stage of illness), ought to be considered high risk, not “unknown risk.” And if I’m wrong about what the website actually says about that, it’s hard to believe the website is correct. After all, what could be higher risk than nursing a critically ill ebola patient? Nursing him with no protective garments at all?
Then there’s also that borderline fever thing that I’ve been screeching about for over a week, saying that lower fevers should be considered evidence of ebola infection in a person who has had close contact with an ebola patient. I guess the CDC begs to differ.
Again, though, it is probable that Ms. Vinson was not especially contagious yet when she flew on the plane. But no one should have advised her that she could take the risk of doing so (or “not told her she could not fly”).
This is beyond upsetting.
[ADDENDUM: The commenters at Ace’s manage to find some humor in the situation.]
If you don’t look at evil, you won’t see what’s really going on.
Most of these people could make the right decisions by themselves. Put in a hierarchy where the doctors and credentials have the authority to Decide, things become different.
When a human is in obedience mode, they aren’t really thinking about anything. They’re just obeying their orders. Obeying orders can lead to evil, but it can also lead to self destruction or death.
The Left is not interested in PC or political power. The Left is merely out for the high level goal of human enslavement, whether that uses PC or power isn’t the focal point.
A person in obedience mode is only as smart as Hussein is. A person in obedience mode is only as good as the orders make them and only as evil as the orders make them. They have no human soul, no human will, no free will at all so long as they maintain that mode. Even a human would seek to survive and save themselves, but with no soul and no will, Obedience Mode will get them killed, whether they like it or not.
I am a knot of the knot clan, my plan is to not be a not-knot.
neo…
This ALL falls back on the fatal misconception that viruses have an “INCUBATION PERIOD.”
Nurses and doctors are absolutely NOT scientists.
They follow heuristic protocols.
You’d be SHOCKED to find out how many nurses don’t know much, if anything, about viral reproduction.
Their days are filled out — filling out paperwork — and following hospital protocols. THESE they know inside and out. All that stuff they were pitched way back when — is out of mind and out of sight.
When the CDC issues a protocol TELLING them that such is so — they believe it — religiously.
They are trained to NOT question a doctor’s authority.
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As I’ve ranted here before: the primary agent of contagion is anyone on the cusp of showing symptoms.
Ebola is exponentiating away… all the while… hence it must be spewing out in ever increasing amounts — especially by the time even a MILD fever is kicking in.
By this time, ebola is flying out: it’s soooo tiny.
Such carriers still think/rationalize that maybe it’s a common cold.
Until the experts can crank out a quicker ebola test. ISOLATION has to be enforced with draconian speed and severity.
As things now stand, America is 10,000 times worse off than she was three weeks ago.
Ebola has, obviously, broken containment.
It really is that simple.
Ymarsakar:
Well, Duncan’s stepdaughter, who took care of him in his final hours at home and is a nurse’s aide, was later told by the authorities that she could go to her nurse’s aide job. She decided to self-quarantine and stayed home instead.
At least she wasn’t in obedience mode.
Learned tonight that we only receive 150 West Africans per day from the three countries. That’s about what I thought.
The quickest, simplest and cheapest solution would be to keep those 150 people a day out of the country.
This problem was completely avoidable and it has cost us at least 100 Dow points. Ask shareholders of airlines if they would have wanted the USA to adopt the policy of the UK and France a year ago.
This is all about RACE and open borders. But now we know.
I’ve read two reports today saying that the plane Amber Vinson was on was not decontaminated until after it had flown to either Atlanta or Fort Lauderdale and then back to Cleveland.
See, for example, http://www.local10.com/news/health/plane-that-carried-ebola-patient-also-flew-to-s-fla/29146606
It’s also interesting that very little mention is being made that she flew to Cleveland to plan her wedding. Anybody hear that her fiance is under quarantine?
“Year” should be “month” and probably 300 Dow points. Billions in any event. Airlines all off 3-4% today.
Pandemics/ Epidemics cause the public to flee from all public/ commercial transportation.
While ebola may start off in ones and twos…
The CDC protocols guarantee us that within a month there will be a steady stream of ‘candidates’ testing positive.
ALL of the critical decisions are being made in the Oval office.
Ebola is totally politicized.
Barry OWNS it.
The general public STILL does not comprehend that “contact with an ebola carrier” includes walking on by them.
Further, the general public STILL imagines that ebola stays stuffed inside carriers until it ‘hatches’ and triggers a fever.
That the mass media continues to peddle this drivel is telling… telling us they’re idiots.
under socialism the able who have positions by merit and ability are replaced with manipulative and somewhat conspiratorial party hacks – which is why the system promotes incompetency in the public. at some point the pubics knowing and education will be so crippled even party hacks will appear able. but as long as there are people with actual talent and its genetic, then we have something to compare to and think that there is a greater competency
this incompetence is kind of normal in a soviet kind of state, as authority is appointed not earned, like affirmative action, and act with an authority that should not be questioned – and in the west have a big bag of excuses to not be held culpable for their incompetence
people with great skills at some talent do not generally forgo them and become administrators.
if you really look at the skills required, they are not needed all that much if one selects competent subordinates. which is why very competent people who actually do the work tend to think the boss that pays them isnt usually so bright or acts like a drunken lemur.
http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Drunken%20Lemurs
if we selected leaders for results, then skills would be the determinant, but we select them by who makes the better sell and has the best combination of arbitrary talking positions.
to quote one of those dilberts:
Dilbert: Why does it seem like most of the decisions in my workplace are made by drunken lemurs
Trashman: Decisions are made by people who have time, not people who have talent
Dilbert: Why are talented people so busy
Trashman: they are fixing the problems caused by the people who have time.
Ymarsakar: He who sups with the devil should have a long spoon
Ymarsakar: The Left is not interested in PC or political power. The Left is merely out for the high level goal of human enslavement, whether that uses PC or power isn’t the focal point.
no.. they are all about power or a piece of it. even george kennan put this forth. they are so much about acquiring power, they have no other real skill to fulfill the talent in a position. human enslavement is power over everyone else who is not a slave or part of the top collective of such
its like when a person learns the tricks to getting good scores on a test, without knowing the substance of what they are being tested for. these are so good at colluding to get and hold power as an act in itself, they end up not having any skill in the position they passed in getting. in fact, if you pay attention, when they fail and lose a position, they get plopped into another arbitrary position, and do the same for the others.
blert Says:
October 15th, 2014 at 10:46 pm
i explained the infection thing in the other post on this subject.
both aids and ebola are blood deseases, but since aids does not attack the ligning and systems that thin the blood, it requires blood to blood to be passed (as in sex).
ebola causes the blood to thin, and it attacks the cells lining vessels which causes them to leak. ie. hemoragic. the virus particles end up seeping out into other tissues of which ebola can infect qute a number of types. once its seeps it can be passed.
So many half-measusres, as shown in this piece in the Chicago Tribune:
Still the reliance on self-monitoring. And while they won’t be going to their workplaces, will they be going to the grocery store, visiting with friends, etc.?
This is starting to become scary now. The CDC and the Obama administration is so incompetent that they have spread the Ebola virus far and wide. We could have a major epidemic on our hands within a few weeks. Many Americans may die.
This was going to be brought back the way it has been or by the military. In something being handled as incompetently as this is, at some level you will find malevolence.
We won’t put boots on the ground to deal with ISIS but we will put boots on the ground to handle something transmissible.
The people are very frightened. If someone gets sick, what are they going to do?
Ans: Take them to the emergency room.
But what if the person is sick with ebola and really, really contagious?
Ans: Then they’ll infect everything and everybody in the emergency room.
So we will have to close the emergency rooms?
Ans: Probably
What about the doctors and nurses who treated them?
Ans: Well, as we are seeing, they’ll have to be quarantined because they’ll pass the virus to other people.
So after a little bit, there won’t be any doctors and nurses in the hospitals?
Ans: Correct.
So . . . we’re on our own?!
Ans: We always have been.
I’m more worried now that The One had to cancel some fundraising trips. If he stays off the golf course, watch out.
I’m guessing that Obama didn’t cancel the fundraiser to coordinate the fight against Ebola. He cancelled to coordinate the suppression of any news of further infections.
Or have I become too cynical?
On the one hand, I’m tempted to believe that the incompetence is due to Obama hiring these people. OTOH, I’m starting to believe that this is the widespread attitude of the bureaucrats, and is independent of which party is in charge.
These people don’t fear reprisal, and that needs to change. At the very least, there needs to be massive cuts to the bureaucracy.
artfldgr Says:
October 16th, 2014 at 12:02 am
“…ebola causes the blood to thin, and it attacks the cells lining vessels which causes them to leak. ie. hemoragic. the virus particles end up seeping out into other tissues of which ebola can infect qute a number of types. once its seeps it can be passed.”
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While I have no doubt that the above description is medically accurate…
It’s scientifically logical that ebola attacks everything it can lay its hooks into.
Since the very best eating is within the blood system — which carries BOTH oxygen and nutrition — ebola APPEARS to be exclusively damaging the blood system.
Yet, based upon the evidence, ebola doesn’t stop once it ‘eats’ its way through our blood linings.
Further, it manages to get its way into
1) Sweat
2) Saliva
3) Urine
4) Feces
5) You name it.
So, Art, you’ve really given me a boost in my confidence.
While candidates are asymptomatic, it would be quite tragic if you were their phlebotomist, or any other lab tech.
We can only hope that none suffer a cut.
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One can only hazard a guess as to when the virus gets into the saliva and sweat. It’s not as if someone’s standing at the ready, to clock the event.
Of course, it would really be a bummer if and when a lover picks up ebola from an asymptomatic carrier, a candidate.
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The fact is that ebola is going to humble just about all of us. It’s not only making its way in the First World for the first time, it’s able to really travel in style. We’re likely to discover all kinds of new speeds for a pandemic to spread.
What alarms me is that those who should be alarmed are still spouting happy talk.
In all of history, no society has been decimated by a panic, viral pandemics, yes.
Yet something else to ponder — a 21-day quarantine may not be long enough:
There are no good solutions.
Tell Vinson to quarantine-in-place? That’s a winner for a family and neighbors. Send an ambulance to pick her up? Who volunteered for that? And who will sterilize the ambulance afterwards? Etc.
Nothing the CDC proposed would be absent justified criticism.
It begins, some are taking this seriously.
Quest Diagnostics To Doctors: Not Accepting Ebola Blood, Patients
” Quest Diagnostics, the nation’s largest diagnostic lab company, has told doctors, hospitals and health care providers nationwide the company will not accept blood samples suspected of being infected with Ebola; and will not knowingly allow any patients suspected of having Ebola into Quest offices.
In a message sent Oct. 11 to hospitals and doctors, Quest Diagnostics said, “Patients with known or suspected Ebola hemorrhagic fever should not be referred to Quest Patient Service Centers or Quest In-Office Phlebotomists for specimen collections of any type.”
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/quest-diagnostics-to-doctors-not-accepting-ebola-blood-patients/
human enslavement is power over everyone else who is not a slave or part of the top collective of such
It no longer takes power to enslave people who think they are free and believe and love their enslavement.
Power is only required to make people do what is against their instinct and free will. The Left, by aborting instinct and free will via breeding, no longer will need power to correct behavioral issues.
CapnRusty, that’s a great, easy to comprehend narrative of the exponential nature of something like this. The numbers get big, fast.
On Bill O’Reilly last night guest Glenn Beck raised a good point:
Our government is searching for the passengers on that Frontier airlines flight and restricting their travel, but our government refuses to restrict the travel of people coming to the US from the 3 African nations where this disease is rampant.
So, if our citizens may have been in contact with the virus they lose their freedoms, but foreign citizens who live among hundreds of thousands infected with the virus can travel freely throughout our country.
Makes perfect sense.
No. Next question.
So, if our citizens may have been in contact with the virus they lose their freedoms, but foreign citizens who live among hundreds of thousands infected with the virus can travel freely throughout our country.
It does make sense. American patriots aren’t allowed to raise funds in the US for charity or political organizations, but Hussein O got a lot of credit cards donations overseas while removing the fraud protections on em.
Hard to be competent when your ideology cant tell the difference between a lie and the truth and so who is saying valid things, and who is not. which is why they just side with what they feel is ok
being on the left also means that whatever rules that halt freedom for good people, wont stop you, cause your not one of the good people who will follow those rules. at least not until the state holds a gun to your temple, then your going to whine that the good people didnt stop you from making all this.
Here is to hoping that the Peasant Grill sues her ass for loss of business now that lots of people are going to decide not to go there thanks to her.
being a communist means you kill lots of people and you never have to say your sorry
You fearmongers are hilarious. Infectious disease expert, Dr. Barack Obama, assures me that you can chugalug a vat of Ebola and still get kissed by the most handsome man in America.
As Neo noted the only good thing is that the family of Mr. Duncan are not exhibiting symptoms.
So the timeline looks like this:
??? – Mr. Duncan infected
Sept 20 – Mr. Duncan arrives in US
Sept 24 – Mr. Duncan unwell (possible start of fever)
Sept 25 – Turned away from hospital
Sept 28 – Admitted to hospital
Sept 30 – Diagnosed with Ebola
Oct 8 – Duncan dies
Oct 10 – First nurse has low grade fever (roughly equivalent to Mr. Duncan on Sept 24?)
Oct 13 – Second nurse has low grade fever (again equivalent to Sept 24?)
The most likely period of infection for the nurses is before they realized it was Ebola Sept 28th – 30th. That produces a best case 12-13 days before onset of fever. However the good news is that none of the people in contact from Sept 24 through Sept 27 have become infected which may mean theses nurses were caught well before they became very contagious.
On Sept 18 there were 5000 ebola cases and 1 got here. Now there are 8000 cases we should start to expect another 1 or 2 more cases here soon. Which is why we need to stop air travel before the number of cases reaches the point where the odds of someone not arriving starts becoming a multiple sigma event.
blert: October 16th, 2014 at 3:49 am
While I have no doubt that the above description is medically accurate…
It’s scientifically logical that ebola attacks everything it can lay its hooks into.
my description is kind of accurate. call it accurate enough and i know for a fact that someone with more focused expertise on the subject (like some of the people i work with when they request me), will be able to call out mistakes. but its a good enough explanation in a short space, and in that vein its ok, but easy to nit pick at.
however, the second sentence is not valid. ie. your using terms and things with assertion to sound knowelegeable, the way the left does, and you may not realize.
ie. you cant apply logic about how something works without actually knowing how that something works.
first, technically the virus doesnt attack anything. it just exists in its framework, and because it does somethign we deem bad, we call it attack. its useful at the level we deal with thigns, but not at all useful in understanfing the mechanics of it as it behaves the same as other benign things depending on what part your talking about
blert: October 16th, 2014 at 3:49 am
Since the very best eating is within the blood system – which carries BOTH oxygen and nutrition – ebola APPEARS to be exclusively damaging the blood system
well. first of all. virus dont eat… bacteria do
and at this level, eating is not quite valid. ie. for a bacteria or cell to eat it has to draw material in and then process it.
so in truth, at the cell level, virus get eaten!!!
in this case, it has a glycoprotein on its lipid membrane that can attach to a similar thing on the cell. when it hits that and the cell latches on, the cell starts to engulf it and draw it into itself in a way in which it does not break the lipid membrane of the cell.
the cell does all the work as the virus is so minimal it has no working parts other than these few things.
so the cell draws it in, and then the container its in gets digested by the cell, which exposes the mechanics of the virus.
other virus use other means of entering, like going through tiny holes in cells created to signal or take in other things.
anyway… these parts are moved around the cell on little fibers that transport them, and each part has a role… normally, DNA is a template. the molecule of your genome being almost three feet long… its coiled up in coils and basically incredibly tightly packed around other molecules. when it comes time to make something (this is incredibly simplified), it basically opens up, to the area that is needed, splits itself and a transcription enzyme is used to make a copy of the code in RNA. (messenger RNA i think… its not my job and so it can get a bit fuzzy)
this RNA has a special name, and has coding properties that distinquish it from other DNA and RNA that moves around doing their thing too.
well, the RNA of the virus is used to make more virus. some are used to write into the DNA their code, so the system goes in and copies the DNA and makes more parts, some are other parts of the system and bypass that and just are copied over and over. and others work in other ways. each way they work usually gives them a name and classification
at this point the virus is a collection of parts that are being replicated in the cell.
blert: Yet, based upon the evidence, ebola doesn’t stop once it ‘eats’ its way through our blood linings.
as said above, it does not eat. it gets eaten, broken up, and the parts get replicated. these parts then self assemble into new virus. what we call the virus is just a container of these self replicaing parts.
the cell keeps making this stuff until it breaks, a condition called lysis… not all do that… some dont break apart, and just eject the finished virus packages.
blert: Further, it manages to get its way into
1) Sweat
2) Saliva
3) Urine
4) Feces
5) You name it.
well… again, its the opposite of what your saying… since the list you have are things we succrete or eject from us. what it attacks deends on what glycoprotein it has and what cells express on their surface. in this case, it ‘attacks’ liver cells, and the cells that line the blood vessel walls. it does not attack things like red blood cells, which have no nucleus (per se).
so it attaches to a cell in the wall, that cell eats it, breaks it apart, the machinery makes more parts, and it does so until the cell bursts putting the self assembled parts into the blood stream.
to make a loose analogy, the virus enters a brick in the wall, and the brick in the wall is shattered. shatter enough bricks and the contents of the pipe they line leaks out into the other tissues, and the lymphatic system (an older system that is thought to have existed before circulatory systems when we were blobs)
when the blood vessels leak, they leak into the various tissues. depending on which kinds of tissues it leaks into, is where the virus packages end up.
so when you bleed into your digestive system, the virus ends up in your stool… when you bleed into your tear ducts, the virus is in your eyes. when you bleed into your bladder, the virus mixes with urine..
blert: So, Art, you’ve really given me a boost in my confidence.
thanks… but in truth, all i did was give you a better more accurate model (as far as that goes, as the model can be more and more accurate until your in a graduate course… and even then, the models are only almost accurate and being updated as the button sorters and bottle washers figure out more tiny parts of it)
🙂
by the way blert…
i can see from the part of your post that continues that your improved model has you thinking more correctly about the condition.
this is why i am an old timer who thinks the public should know and can know. ie. if a person understands the subject, they can transfer a good enough model to another person who is not as well versed and that model once incorporated instantly improves their thinking about the subject.
its the look down on you as idiots and children that the leftists and elites do that is so bad. its their way of feeling superior cause they have an education, without ever feeling equal because education is jsut a collection of models they chose to take in, while you and others chose other areas and models to incorporate
it has a lot to do with ego… sadly, i try to teach as much as possbiel and am often called arogant because i believe that most people, given the right explanations (which is not easy) and analogies CAN understand complicated things.
after all, einstiens major work was in his gedanken not in his math. that is, the simplified models he was using to contemplate things is where the meat and potatoes of his work is, and those are used to explain his work. it was those things that were decomposed to relevant math most cant work with without a lot of effort. but not understanding the math is not what prevents understanding how things work!!! ie. the simple model that does do that is not easily taken from the math!! the math is just the formalization of those simple things. richard feyman was much the same and in a way we both despise these priests who keep their knowlege in towers constructed of fancy terms and such just so they feel supeiror and have some form of authority to negate the compettion of other people.
but back to what you said.. post my leaving off above, you did grasp enough to realize that if one has sex prior to being what the CDC is referring to as publicly contagious, you ARE at risk. because you can mix blood that way.
this is where the egoists are fouling up a lot
as they are not really thinking about the details enough to get an accurate thing.
as always, they fear broad insane panic.
may i ask when there has ever been broad insane panic over things? riots come not from knowing the details but from not knowing and acting out.
earthquakes have destroyed whole cities, and the people dont run in circles panicking, they self organize and act properly…
in fact, the elites are so full of themselves thinkkng that they are doing the organizing that they believe that withotu their work, we would just sit around and starve. ergo “you didnt make that”
they dont see that the people around them are just like them and have much of the same skills if not the same models. this is not to say we are equal the way they tout, but for people who tout equal, they sure justrify the opposite and do things in such a way to reinforce their negative belief
if your dont clean your teeth, your gums can bleed. this means that you can have virus in the saliva before your at the contagious stage the CDC touts. so dont kiss the person with the starter fever!
if you use and reuse needles or share them, you can get it that way, and in africa some of the blow outs were caused by vaccinations using needles over given economics
a person who is not at the level the CDC says is contagious, becomes contagious if they are in a car wreck and their blood is all over the place from the accident.
so a better model in the hands of the public would lead to better ideas of what is or what is not ok than a list of rules and things.
note that this is what communism does. it tries to reduce actions to a list of rules you follow not a set of principals where you can derive your own set of rules.
so while i am not worried about getting ebola from a person who has not had a higher fever by touching them, or shakkng hands, or sitting on the toilet. i sure dont want to kiss them, be spat on, or have to work on them in a car accident… why? becasue i know how it works, and the principals and so i can think of these things that the elite asses have not thought of yet
so here is to better models
and to thinking that your fellow man can understand
(and perhaps not attacking the person trying to grant that to them as an arrogant ass… after all, the person that has the same knowlege and refuses to share it because they will be deemed an arrogant ass, and thinks the others aren ot smart enough despite equality, really is the arrogant ass!!!)
Find a car with “Coexist” and “Obama 2012” bumper stickers on it, and go up to the pixie-haired, bespectacled, sexually androgynous driver, and rub your hand in his face.
your going to hear real soon that ZMAPP vaccine will be available for ebola patients.
given i just invested in the company that did this, we shall see…
(the news just came across the wire, and the companies stock is down 50% today… buy low, sell high, and its cheap enough that 100 shares is worth the risk!)
ZMAPP was the substance given to the people that were shipped to the US and survived… (though its not 100% sure that itw as ZMAPP that did it, given they were making heroic efforts trying lots of things at once)
enjoy the decent news..
to Samozrejme – For your timeline, I think it should be modified in two ways.
?? – Mr. Duncan infected – note that he had close contact with a very infectious person, who died.
Sept 25 – I think it is wrong to say that Duncan was turned away from the hospital – that implies that he was not seen by anyone. He probably had a conversation with the ER clerk who took the basic info and entered it into the system. Then he sat a while until he saw a ER nurse before he saw an ER doctor. I think he had some diagnostic tests which would have been performed in the ER area or he was transported around the hospital to Radiology or whatever. He was told to take some medicine and released.
The family released his medical records so, someplace there is a very detailed tracking of the care he got during the first visit. I haven’t seen a link to an online version of it.
Art – thanks for the biology lessons – you make lots of sense and that type of information should be disclosed by the CDC and MSM.
I would encourage everyone to check out what their state and city governments are doing to prepare for a pandemic. Check with your hospitals and doctors. We have seen that the CDC is reacting and changing. Let’s ask our governments to start true planning ahead of a crisis.
Also – prepare yourself for a 2-3 week shelter in place scenario. You won’t have to run out for last minute stuff when that ice or snow storm approaches.
So what would you do as the leader of our country if you wanted to destroy it? Would you allow those from the three infected African countries to enter this country freely with no restrictions?
Lowell
what one would have to do is act in an ambigious way in which enough people would not blame you… this is how soviet methods work, as the overt ways cause reactions, while ambigious means cause the people to go at each other not at the subject.
The second nurse, Ms Vinson had contact, self quarantined, slightled elevated temperature. She must have considered the wisdom of taking a flight, because she phoned the CDC.
Liz
the information is public, but its not put forth the way i did. and note, i am not an expert, just very knowlegeable and on the fringe of the field. so my explanations are not perfect, but good enough for a better understanding. if i took the time to look up every point i could make them more accurate, but then it would be longer and not necessarily mean more… a decent general idea of how things really work is good enough in this case, and what the elites or others are not putting forth (due to their supriority complex?).
i believe that most people are capable if you give them a decent handle on things in a way they understand without necessarily talking down to them. though its hard to not come across that way if your spouting so much and they want to look at it that way defensively.
its kind of like what the athiest of penn and teller once said…(showing that he is not a atheist against religion but a deeper thinker)
he said (and i am paraphrasing from memory), that if a person really believed in eternal salvation and jesus (or god), then wouldnt it be mean not to try to save him? that by sharing the information that offends atheists, they are just being kind and trying to save a person with what they believe, and to withhold such would be very mean.
kind of like having a cure for ebola and not sharing it. eh?
🙂
Find a car with “Coexist” and “Obama 2012″ bumper stickers on it, and go up to the pixie-haired, bespectacled, sexually androgynous driver, and rub your hand in his face.
I hear the White House and the SS are allowing visitors. Although they prefer you not jump through the walls and fences.
I hear the White House and the SS are allowing visitors. Although they prefer you not jump through the walls and fences. [and blow by the female affirmative action agent who couldnt stop much]
My favorite example comes from the deli counter at a local supermarket where I ordered two thirds of a pound of ham. Well, the high school senior/college aged girl behind the counter looked at me, then called across to her older colleague behind the same counter to ask her “how much is two thirds”? This in a place that, you would think, dealt with fractions of a pound all day long.
Then, there was the time, at a different supermarket, when we returned a product for a refund which had been on sale and had had its price discounted. I had easily figured out what the refund should be in my head but, fifteen minutes later, after our checker, assisted first by her fellow checker, and then by the manager got done doodling on a sheet of paper, then pulling out their calculators, and scratching their heads, I walked out with my refund, which was 40% more than it should have been.
Honest soul that I am–or at least I used to be–I used point out such errors to those making them. Now, after the accumulation of many such incidents, I just pocket the money, considering it to be a stupidity tax.
As for why this is happening, and not only the lack of numeracy but also the lack of a service attitude, I put it down to the removal of religion from schools.
When they removed the religion they also removed a whole range of goals, attitudes, and behaviors that that religion had taught and encouraged–things like hard work, serving others, the dignity of the individual and the dignity and importance of work, taking pride in that work, and striving to be as good as possible at whatever you did.
When the religion went, so did all that as well.
Testing.
When the religion went, so did all that as well.
The religion’s still there, they just changed dogmas and messiahs. Now it’s Islam and the Left’s death cult in charge, so new values and new dogma.
At least she wasn’t in obedience mode.
Around 3% of the population have an inherent born or trained resistance to Authority and Evil combined.
10-20% may have some resistance, but they either choose differently or they are eliminated.
The people that can get things done do exist, but they are eliminated and aren’t selected. Why? Because self selection gets rid of them, when they broadcast their merit in this system, this Regime. It’s a like a black boy declaring he’s going to become a Republican President. A week later, his body will be found somewhere convenient and blame will be put on the white police so unions get money.
A few individuals, however, cannot and should not fight the System made out of hundreds of millions. The hundreds of millions don’t deserve salvation from that source.
Because self selection gets rid of them, when they broadcast their merit in this system, this Regime. It’s a like a black boy declaring he’s going to become a Republican President.
no..
since i am the example in your point, i would say its more like a paper mache dog chasing after a steel cat through hell as far as my chances…
Aaaaand the new “Ebola Czar” is Ron Klain — a lawyer and political “fixer” with no medical knowledge or public health experience. We’re safe now, all right! Does anyone still think that Obama perceives this as anything but a political problem?
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