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  1. NEO: The Palestinians and Islamic terrorists and their sympathizers around the world learned long ago that one of the best propaganda methods for reaching liberals of the west was the dead child and the grieving family.

    You have to note that the liberals fell for the Hitlerian point that if you do things for or to children, the masses will debase themselves. It’s the whole point of feminisms “do it for the children” Pavlovian missives. Its why they are willing to murder innocent children to get what they want, and this murder is not just in Gaza, its in abortion centers too, and now they are floating down the rio grande.

  2. i forgot to mention that this really got its biggest push after the left lied and played games with the photo of Phan Thi Kim Phuc

  3. The liberal mind is attuned to the squalling face … preferably so close up it’s all lips and eyes. Nothing else matters.

  4. NEO: The figures come from the Gazan Ministry of Health, which is controlled by Hamas.

    you see neo, you have it all wrong (According to the liberal leaders):

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) says the United States must look to Qatar, an ally of the terrorist group Hamas, for advice in resolving the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

    And we have to confer with the Qataris, who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization,” she told CNN’s “State of the Union” with Candy Crowley.

    Frau Blucker Pelosi…

  5. NEO: Seeing the mendacity of the reporting about that battle, and the paucity of meaningful retractions of the false reports, as well as the lies’ lasting influence, was one of many incidents in my political change experience.

    but neo… you didnt change, you just figured out that they were lying to you… its like the illusions mentalists use. not one thing that i have heard you say actually refers to changing. if it did, then you would have changed from a person who likes to hurt people to a person that is concerned for them. ie. your concerned for people and you followed those that lied that they too were concerned – whenyou found out the truth, you stopped

    you were nevr actually in their camp
    if you were, you would not leave it, but embrace it

    the values you had when you thought they served you, are the same values you have when you decided they didnt.

    their image changed not your morals

  6. NEO: It’s no surprise that Israel does so poorly in the propaganda wars, with so much stacked against it.

    thats not why…

    the cards are stacked against it for the same reason a white guy cant defend himself. IE. to act is to prove the others right, and remove ability to deny you do that.

    ie. the jews are accused of controlling media, and so if they use media to control the propaganda, they can then be revealed as controlling media.

    catch 22…

    if a guy has his buttons pressed by his girl, like a certain football player, if he acts out and points that out, then he is jumped by the rook protecting the propaganda. like a certain football player

    if white men decide to go in and take care of the criminality in certain communities, then what do they become? they prove they are oppressors.

    its so common, only air is more common

  7. sorry too much mansplainig

    Mansplaining is a vestige of a past when men did know more than women due solely to the privilege of education and experience, a privilege imposed by men

    have pity on the mansplainer. His is the merely the voice of a patriarchal world eclipsed by a new one …

    beware toxic mansplaining

    ie. whatever you do, dont listen to the toxic mansplainer…

  8. Artfldgr:

    On Kim Phuc, I was going to mention her in this post, too, but it was getting too long. You may recall that learning about the lies told about her photo was also an important part of my political change experience.

    I’ve written quite extensively about her, too, especially here and here.

  9. 100 Spanish celebrities accuse Israel of genocide in Gaza

    “This is a war of occupation and extermination against a whole people without means, confined to a miniscule territory without water and where hospitals, ambulances, and children are targeted and presumed to be terrorists,” Bardem

    “Being Jewish is not synonymous with supporting this massacre, just as being a Hebrew is not the same as being a Zionist and being Palestinian does not mean being a terrorist from Hamas. That is as absurd as saying that being German means espousing Nazism.” Bardem

    in order to insure his acting career is ok
    he adds the offensive racist missive “some of my friends are jewish”

    “My son was born in a Jewish hospital because I have Jewish people who are very near and dear to me.” Bardem

  10. Artfldgr:

    If you’ve read my “change” series, you should see that I never say that I changed. And I emphasize that one of the most important parts of the process was that I learned more about when I’d been lied to.

    I continually refer to my “change” as my “political change.” I am very clear that I am talking about a change in political affiliation and voting behavior, not some deeper change in values or reasoning ability.

    I find that you often seem to fasten on a word (like “change,” in this instance) and look at it in isolation, interpreting it literally rather than looking at the context and understanding what the person is actually saying. This leads to a lot of misunderstanding.

  11. Isreal reveals conversation of obama
    Obama cries fabrication (like soviet leaders)

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/day-22-five-soldiers-killed-four-of-them-in-mortar-attack-idf-bombards-gaza/#liveblog-entry-1038715

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-29/shocked-white-house-slams-fabrication-after-israel-tv-leaks-damning-transcript-obama

    The following is an English translation of the Hebrew account of the talk given in the report:

    Barack Obama: I demand that Israel agrees to an immediate, unilateral ceasefire and halt all offensive activities, in particular airstrikes.

    Benjamin Netanyahu: And what will Israel receive in exchange for a ceasefire?

    BO: I believe that Hamas will cease its rocket fire – silence will be met with silence.

    BN: Hamas broke all five previous ceasefires. It’s a terrorist organization dedicated to the destruction of Israel.

    BO: I repeat and expect Israel to stop all its military activities unilaterally. The pictures of destruction in Gaza distance the world from Israel’s position.

    BN: Kerry’s proposal was completely unrealistic and gives Hamas military and diplomatic advantages.

    BO: Within a week of the end of Israel’s military activities, Qatar and Turkey will begin negotiations with Hamas based on the 2012 understandings, including Israel’s commitment to removing the siege and restrictions on Gaza.

    BN: Qatar and Turkey are the biggest supporters of Hamas. It’s impossible to rely on them to be fair mediators.

    BO: I trust Qatar and Turkey. Israel is not in the position that it can choose its mediators.

    BN: I protest because Hamas can continue to launch rockets and use tunnels for terror attacks —

    BO: (interrupting Netanyahu) The ball’s in Israel’s court, and it must end all its military activities.

    be prepared to hear that the jews tried to make a capitailst deal rather than do the right thing. that after people load up the audio and compare it themselves using one of many pieces of software

    the DICTATOR of the WORLD has spoken…
    he has ordered the oppressors to unilaterally lay down their weapons, and let themselves be attacked.

    OBama is channeling the feminsits..
    ….the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” — Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

    Marx recognised that oppression, far from being a natural and thus a permanent feature of human society, is a historical invention. True, the oppression of certain groups of people in society existed before capitalism. For example, Marx’s collaborator Engels traced the origins of women’s oppression to the formation of the family with the rise of class society. Despite the many changes to the family over the centuries, it persists to this day because it plays a crucial role in the continuation of the system, by bearing the brunt of the cost for caring for present and past generations of workers and the rearing of the next – all at our own expense. So, despite the fact that the majority of women in this country who can work do work, their role in the family means they still accept lower wages and fewer career opportunities.

    Other forms of oppression have arisen with the emergence of capitalism. So racism was created to justify the slave trade and imperialism and is perpetuated by the need to keep workers divided. Towards the end of the 19th century a new sexual identity, the “homosexual”, was invented and portrayed as a threat to society and the maintenance of the family. What is common to all forms of oppression, however, is that they have a material basis and arise from the structures and dynamics of class society. Oppression serves to reinforce the interests of capitalism.
    http://socialistreview.org.uk/369/marxism-and-oppression

    the west is looking through the training they got in oppresson over the past 70 years in feminism and black politics.

    and since the jews ARE capitalism to the marxists…
    (which is why i said that discourse will be used to prove this by the jewish leader asking what do i get)

    i would also suggest
    Revolutionary Communist League
    Basis of Women’s Oppression
    https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/uk.hightide/basis.htm

    its easier to learn things from them, as they are not oppressed in their dialectic and so there are reams and reams and reams of explanitory stuff which applies…

    but also, one has to see things like this
    Facts All US Citizens Need to Know About Israel and Palestine
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/facts-us-citizens-need-know-israel-palestine.html

    of course, this person has his facts all wrong..
    but that doesnt matter as the wrong facts presented the right way, are believed….

    Shoa II is not overt like Shoa I

    next post discussing the “facts”

  12. In Iraq, the casualties openly caused by insurgents were conflated and then blamed on the US.

  13. the facts are too numerous and wacko with too many ommissions for me to address… the retorts would be book long… sorry guys, your on your own.

  14. On Kim Phuc, I was going to mention her in this post, too, but it was getting too long. You may recall that learning about the lies told about her photo was also an important part of my political change experience.

    i do remember it well, and i ended up expanding my knowlege of that incident thanks to you… so i guess it was a nice unplanned lead in…

    but may i also add:

    Massacre of the Innocents

    The Massacre of the Innocents is the biblical narrative of infanticide by Herod the Great, the Roman-appointed King of the Jews. According to the Gospel of Matthew Herod ordered the execution of all young male children in the vicinity of Bethlehem, so as to avoid the loss of his throne to a newborn King of the Jews whose birth had been announced to him by the Magi. In typical Matthean style, it is understood as the fulfillment of an Old Testament prophecy

    The number of infants killed is not stated; the Holy Innocents, although Jewish, have been claimed as martyrs for Christianity

    now there is no proof of this happening, but as i pointed out before, a whole lot of what they do is learned from the bible. spaning the neurolinguistic games of lucifer, to the feminism of lilith, and so on

    the larger point is their desire to use the archtypes that are in people.

    then there is
    The Srebrenica Children Massacre refers to the killing of as many as 62 children among the victims when the elementary school in Srebrenica, eastern Bosnia, was shelled by the Army of Republika Srpska in April 1993.

    and once mentioned here in addressing a person who thought resisting the nazis would have been easy… or that they woud have done things and want to think poorly of peope

    Lidice

    a village in the Czech Republic just northwest of Prague. It is built near the site of the previous village of the same name which, as part of the Nazi Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, on orders from Adolf Hitler and Reichsfé¼hrer-SS Heinrich Himmler, was completely destroyed by German forces in reprisal for the assassination, in Operation Anthropoid, of Reich Protector Reinhard Heydrich in the late spring of 1942

    184 women and 88 children were deported to concentration camps; a few children considered racially suitable for Germanisation were handed over to SS families and the rest were sent to the Chełmno extermination camp where they were gassed to death

    while the hebrews murdered whole races (see bible), it was the assyrians who made it an art… an art that has been passed down and still in play

    They would reward their soldiers for every severed head they brought in from the field, whether enemy fighters or not. They would decapitate or club to death captured soldiers; they would slice off the ears, noses, hands and feet of nobles, throw them from high towers, flay them and their children to death, or roast them over a slow fire.

    for those that dont know… flaying is basically skinning, but in pieces, not a whole. so they peeled the skin of children off….

    Mongol Tolui in persia, as punishment, went in and did a job on the innocent people of the area.

    the problem i have with the sources i found is that they inflate numbers to the point of absurdity if one knows about what it takes to haev such numbers living in a place.

    so they will say
    In the 16th to 19th centuries alone the death toll among African slaves being transported to the New World may have been over 1,500,000,10 possibly 2,000,00011; millions more died in capture and in transit to the Orient or Middle East. And just among those kept in Africa some 4,000,000 may have died

    Until the development of agriculture around the 11th millennium BC, it is estimated that the world population stabilized at about three million people who subsisted through hunting and foraging — a lifestyle that by its nature ensured a low population density. The total world population probably never exceeded 15 million inhabitants before the invention of agriculture

    note that the africans did not practice agriculture during the time of D’souza;s social experiment in buying human beings to prevent genocide using slaery as a better option than that.

    note that slaves in the US and england were paid, and could and often did buy their own freedom.

    one only has to remember and read about Crispus Attucks and others during the revolutionary war to find this out…

  15. “This is a war of occupation and extermination against a whole people without means, confined to a miniscule territory without water and where hospitals, ambulances, and children are targeted and presumed to be terrorists,” Bardem

    Factually and historically, he has it exactly backwards. A narrative that wrongly reversed is not accidental, though Bardem is almost certainly a “useful idiot” of the left.

  16. I continually refer to my “change” as my “political change.” I am very clear that I am talking about a change in political affiliation and voting behavior, not some deeper change in values or reasoning ability.

    perhaps switch is a better word?

    When you switch something, you move from something to something else without changing…

    while in most cases they can be exchanged, in some cases they cant.. when talking people change would imply that the person changed, while switch would imply no change in the person but a move

    ergo my stepping in the same thing over and over.

    from BBC course in proper english:

    If there is a change or if something changes, it becomes different in some way or it is replaced by something of a similar kind – and it in this respect that the meaning is most similar to switch.

    we now live in a world where a cyclist is a biker which used to mean a motorcycle rider, and so i do understand that easyspeak has been dominating…

    if you wanted to use change for this you might say you had a change of heart… but in truth, we agree that this did not happen. nothing changed with the items in discussion…

    the left remained the left and what they always were
    and you remained you, as you always were.

    so you switched sides, not changed

    call me old fashioned, but i do remember when words used to mean somethnig and that the different words were used more for this nuance than for making writing more interesting by switching words.

    (See? you would not say you changed words, you may exchange words to switch them, but not change them)

    this stems from my aspergers in which i take things more literally and less fluidly…

    the common thing in wich someone says sometning wrong and says. oh. you know what i mean, drives me nutters

    i was playing cards last night, but left once joe started kibbutzing…

    i think you mean kibitzing, a kibbutz is something different..

    oh… you know what i mean…

    🙂

    you say potato, i say potatoe
    and neither of us is a vice president…

  17. Artfldgr:

    Well, as a writer I certainly pay attention to what words mean.

    The word “switch” would indeed indicate a change in political affiliation, as would the word “change.” But “switch” tends to indicate a quicker process, whereas by using the word “change” I am meaning to refer to a fairly lengthy process that resulted in a switch or change of political affiliation. The switch, however, was the culmination of the process of political change, and it’s the latter I am most interested in.

    But as I said, it was not a fundamental change in my values.

  18. one last thing on this point:
    “political change” and it pops to “social change”

    Social change may refer to the notion of social progress or sociocultural evolution, the philosophical idea that society moves forward by dialectical or evolutionary means. It may refer to a paradigmatic change in the socio-economic structure, for instance a shift away from feudalism and towards capitalism. Accordingly it may also refer to social revolution, such as the Socialist revolution presented in Marxism, or to other social movements, such as Women’s suffrage or the Civil rights movement. Social change may be driven by cultural, religious, economic, scientific or technological forces.

    and while they use change to define switch sides, you would never use switch sides to encompass the above… would you?

    change implies difference
    switch implies movement

    but then again, i like those old high level books like fenimore coopers leatherstocking… which USED to be a childrens book… a 13th grade level childrens book…

    when i was a kid, i was taught to drop to 8th grade in common speech… which now has dropped to what then was 5th grade…

    social/political CHANGE has happened

    🙂

  19. The Israelis have said that’s a bogus transcript

    THANKS!!!!

    i REALLY REALLY REALLY appreciate that update and am very glad i saw it…

    THANKS!!!!

  20. The left will never condone harsh measures for the Palestinians. As long as the Palestinians are in proximity to Israel, there will never be peace. Ergo, in order for there to be peace, Israel must suffer the anger of the left. There’s no clever solution that will satisfy them.

    The most humane solution I can imagine is for Israel to forcefully depopulate Gaza and move the inhabitants somewhere far away. I doubt anyone would be willing to take them.

    The alternatives are then either true genocide, or the admission that this will go on for generations with no end in sight. I expect the latter will happen.

  21. Anyone who can not see who holds the moral high ground in the Israeli-arab conflict is either extremely stupid and gullible or antisemitic or both.

  22. “The Israelis have said that’s a bogus transcript” neo

    Yes they have but… the Israeli denial used exactly the words used by the WH. The transcript itself and the Israeli’s choosing to use the WH denials exact construction lead me to strongly suspect that the Israeli’s issued a politically expedient lie in support of the WH for politically expedient reasons.

    Arguably, it might do Netanyahu more harm than good for his conversations with Obama to be publicized. More importantly, in publicly minimizing any embarrassment for Obama, it makes it much harder for Obama to politically retaliate against Netanyahu and Israel. Something that I at least am convinced Obama desperately yearns to do.

    IMO, the transcript had the ring of truth to it. I rather doubt that any fabrication could have so accurately constructed such a plausible dialog.

  23. Geoffrey Britain:

    Oh, I realize we’ll never know for sure, and that denials can be false denials. But if both sides deny it, short of a recording we’ll have to accept the denials.

    I have no problem, though, imagining that someone can imagine the dialogue. But I don’t believe in saying “well, it’s fake but accurate.” It has been denied by both parties, and that’s enough for me to discount it.

  24. Ron Fournier is a Democrat.
    Ron Fournier is a Liberal.
    Ron Fournier voted for Barack Obama. Both times.

    At my house, “Ron Fournier” is never said in polite company.

  25. Another thought; how exactly did a private conversation over a presumably secured line between the President of the US and the Israeli Prime Minister ‘just happen’ to leak?

    Quite a coincidence that.

    In the released transcript, Obama ended his conversation with the implied threat that “the’ ball’ was in Israel’s ‘court'” and Obama began by demanding that an independent foreign power obey his commands. But an order with an implied threat that is refused, demands a response and the only response Obama could make is a political one…

    But with a ‘somehow’ leaked transcript, quickly followed by Israeli support for the predictable WH denial, Israel preempted any political move by Obama.

    Thus we have a case of either accidental leakage, in which case Israel brilliantly ‘counter-punched’ Obama or… it was an exceedingly clever propaganda operation that pulled the metaphorical rug’ out from under Obama.

    In either case, Obama got played and that is a sweet thing indeed.

  26. ” It has been denied by both parties, and that’s enough for me to discount it.” neo

    That’s very generous of you neo, clearly you are far more willing to extend the benefit of the doubt than I.

  27. The supposed transcript doesn’t sound like bho. Where are the ah, ah, ahs, the let me be perfectly clears, and the as I’ve said befores??? Plus there was no reference to the people of the 57 states upset with the disproportional response to the attacks by hamas.

  28. I am almost certain that GB is absolutely correct on this.

    Obama is biding his time. Has been for years, in fact.

    He will strike when he feels the iron is at its hottest (probably some time after the November mid-terms).

    But he is preparing the ground. Has been for a long while. It’s the political equivalent of a “softening up” barrage.

    And Kerry’s feelings have been profoundly hurt. By the country for which Kerry and Obama has done so much, so much, so much, so much.

    And you can count on hearing that over and over and over again.

    Softening up, softening up.

    For certainly, consulting with Hamas’s sponsor Qatar and Hamas’s supporter Turkey is really, truly a case of Israel’s greatest friend looking after Israel’s best interests.

    So what is this feigned outrage? This pathetic righteous indignation?

    What was it that Mary McCarthy said about Lillian Hellman?

    File under: We are all Hamas.

  29. I remember being horrified when talking with leftists during the Second Intifada that began in 2000. To them, it was all Ariel Sharon’s fault and Arafat had nothing to do with it. And when Israelis were blown up in restaurants and on school buses, they said the Palestinians had no other choice.

    Very hard to see that this is all due to something other than a deep animus toward Israel. And then one has to ask why.

  30. Ann,

    There is no need to ask why. They are enemies of Western Civilization. They seek a return to the sword of the dark ages and the rise of muhammad. They are nihilists. Fthem and the horse they rode in on.

  31. parker,

    Two points; it’s not a full transcript of their conversation and it has been at least somewhat edited. I also suspect that in private when Obama is chastising the head of a client state he regards as dependent, he has no problem expressing himself. His ahs and uhms I suspect are the result of being highly aware of how easily political opponents can attack off the cuff remarks.

  32. Parker,

    I really don’t think the kind of leftist I’m talking about wants to see the dominance of radical Islam. To me, the “why” that I asked above is anti-Semitism. There was a brief pause after the Holocaust, but it never died. They’ll stamp their feet and say how dare you, but that’s what it is.

  33. Ann FWIW

    Speaking of the left’s antisemitism, the bully needs someone to bully, to dominate and punish. Though they will vociferously deny it, the left loves totalitarianism because to create utopia (better to rule in hell than serve in heaven) requires tight control of human nature.

    Was there ever a totalitarian who wasn’t a bully?

    The less aware on the left need intellectual justification for their bullying and the meme that it is “for their own good” is the perfect justification because it allows the bully to project their victim’s innocence upon themselves.

    Perhaps more than any other quality, self-righteousness defines the left. The irony that it is that flaw that most irritates the left about stereotypical Christians is not really surprising, given their desperate search for something in which to believe.

  34. Funny….Just got home, opened up my yahoo and instantly saw the current keening and wailing from the tiresomely usual sources:MSM; Worldwide Anti-Semites;Libs/Lefties; Blah-Blah-Blah over those awful Israelis hitting (GASP!!) the UN School.

  35. Ann,

    You are obviously a kind and gentle person. However, the left, from the tepid to the hard core, hate the foundations of Western Civilization. What else explains their words and actions? They do not promote individual freedom and personal responsibility. They support totalitarianism. They are the enemy. I do not wish them harm up until they show up on my door step.

    BTW, please donate to Joni Ernst running for Harkins open seat in Iowa. She is the real deal. I know her on a personal basis. She will be another Cruz in the senate

  36. Throughout the Gaza-Israel conflict, the media, both in this country and in Europe, keep reporting the number of dead or injured Palestinians in Gaza. Some of these numbers are astonishingly precise, 569, 1,120, etc. Where do these figures come from? Well, they come from Hamas and allied organizations. With one or two exceptions, no one in the media has questioned their accuracy. Why? Why has our media served as an unfiltered conduit for Palestinian propaganda? Is it laziness, stupidity, or bias, or a combination of these three factors?

  37. “Why? Why has our media served as an unfiltered conduit for Palestinian propaganda? Is it laziness, stupidity, or bias, or a combination of these three factors?”

    Individually, it could be any one of the three or any particular combination. On a larger scale, there’s no need for the leftist media to question the numbers because they are not interested, at all, in the particulars of the truth. They are only interested in advancing the larger ‘truth’, the narrative, the agenda.

    IMO, it is not Islam they seek to advance but instead see it as a means to attack the right’s championship of national sovereignty. Which is the primary obstacle to a one world order of ‘truth and social justice’.

    Of course, the narrative is the public meme for the rubes, for the liberal “useful idiots” who are the left’s political shock troops providing the political leverage needed to advance their agenda.

    The Rahm Emanuels on the left find the Paul Krugmans very useful… for now. The Obama administration’s disregard for the liberal press is a perfect indicator of how the left actually views its liberal useful idiots.

  38. BK,

    It is an intense hatred for all things that are the foundation of Western Civilization. They hate us without mercy or a sense of remorse. Return that in kind once it all comes down to dust.

  39. cease whining, Jews. The more women and children the Zionists massacre in Gaza, the more anti-semitism elsewhere in the world, and the more Jews frightened into joining the Zion-in-Palestine racket. And you should be grateful to B. Hussein Obama. In addition to maintaining the usual sluice of American weapons/$$$ into Zion, he has

    1. returned the Pentagon/Israel stooge military to power in Egypt, via the appropriately-named General Sissi

    2. and via Isramerican armed and trained Isis, broken the Shia Crescent which Bush ’43 established when he shoved Iraq back onto the petrodollar during the ’03 War. The Sunni Caliphate in western Iraq has already cut off Iranian arms shipments to Hezbollah – which is also tied up in Syria fighting Isramerican -back Sunni terrorists. Overall,

    3. Zion-in-Palestine has never been more powerful or secure. Which in turn has freed it to massacre the Gazans. And don’t worry about all those photos of butchered babies and dead children. It’s just a little collateral damage, nothing to trouble a neoneo-con. Especially one living safe and sound in the ‘Kwa.

  40. usa getting the israel treatment

    Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) suggested that Border Patrol agents were torturing illegal immigrants by making detention centers too cold during the summer. At a Congressional Progressive Caucus hearing on the border crisis, Schakowsky said she recently visited a detention center in Illinois where “all the kids I talked to at the shelter mentioned the cold.” “Cold has been used as torture in the past. I mean, really,” she said. “It just makes no sense that they would, it seems deliberately, be held in really uncomfortable situations.”

  41. Schakawsky should’ve figured out that these kids had never experienced air conditioning — and that cool and cold get crossed up in translation.

    Having lived decades in the tropics, I can assure this ‘Dilly’ that those born and bred there are shocked when temperatures drop below 70 degrees. During this summer season temperatures and humidity would be sky high at home. Any American would consider their native conditions to be pure Hell: just too hot and humid.

  42. Wise Cave Owl, apart from his baiting and usual blather, has one or two interesting points:

    1) Obama returned NOTHING to Egypt, returned nobody to power. He was content with the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood, who were on the cusp of establishing their dictatorship when Al-Sisi saw the writing on the wall.
    The people were already alarmed at the MB, and Al-Sisi must’ve known he would be purged, probably sooner than later, so he acted.
    IMO, Obama was discomfited by this greatly. Not only was his chosen ally de-throned, but Egypt was now hostile to him because of his part in the whole MB debacle.
    Egypt is now a free agent, and not inclined to follow Obama’s lead. Quite the opposite. Hence, their reasonableness in dealing with Israel.

    2) Possibly this is true; that ISIS has broken the supply chain from Iran to Hezbollah. In that case, they are serving the same role that Saddam used to serve. However, they are more radical, more violent and less controllable than Saddam was. They can strike out in any direction, at any time.
    They wouldn’t make a suitable counter-balance to Iran, and should be destroyed.
    The only reasonable group in the region that might not cause further problems by rising to power would be the Kurds. I’m not sure they would want the whole of Iraq, even if given the chance.
    I’m not sure how other regional powers would react to their rise, other than Turkey (!), who seems to have taken a liking to the Kurds suddenly.

    3) WCO is correct that Israel is relatively safe, for now. Hamas isn’t going to even moderately hurt them.
    Even though I advocate a much tougher stance for Israeli action, they won’t do it.
    And I know that WCO will rest easy knowing that I won’t lose a second of sleep over dead Palestinian civilians.
    His attempts to pull on our heartstrings is really quite amateurish.

  43. “a neoneo-con … living safe and sound in the ‘Kwa”

    Huh? Never heard of the “‘Kwa”. Where is it in relation to your universe?

  44. I read elsewhere, that another “flotilla” will be sailing from Turkey again, bound for Gaza. It was mentioned that this one will have military protection. Turkey is a NATO member. Could this be the aforementioned opportunity? I agree that it/he/they are biding their time, and will do as much damage as long as able.

  45. And don’t worry about all those photos of butchered babies and dead children.

    Most of them are reused footage of Palestinians killing Israeli children in homes, plus fake ones.

  46. FOAF…

    FYI: “Kwa” is used in some blog circles to refer to (African) homelands — or homelands of any character.

    It has also been picked up by anti-(Black) supremacists. [ ie, Those opposed to the creation of a Black super caste, lording it over America, while scolding all with the race card. ]

    It, IIRC, comes from the Zulus, and is linguistically appended in the manner of “stan” —

    Like Zulu-kwa :: Zulu land.

    Pakistan :: land of the Paki

    (land of the pure… in this case ‘pure’ of Hindus and Sikhs.)

    And so forth.

    That the moonbat things he’s an owl — and cracking wise — ’tis to laugh.

    His usage of Kwa is absolutely weird in neo’s venue.

    It’s usage is still obscure and pretty much restricted to (Black) activist radicals.

    Another usage is krackers with attitude — posted to the Urban Dictionary. The problem is that any activist can create such a posting — and the acronym does not line up.

    ::

    ” Amerikwa

    A derogatory way of referring to what the United States has become socially and politically; namely a ‘melting pot’ of blacks, browns and jews.

    Alex Linder “I say ‘Amerikwa’ because it has the ring of Kwanzaa to it and the Kwa-ha-ha of the jungle.”

    ::

    As you can see, it doesn’t quite fit.

    Even the Urban Dictionary posters are unaware that Kwa is used to denote “land of” in various African linguistic groups.

    ( BTW, all African languages are strikingly simple compared to any Indo-European language. They simply have primitive vocabularies, and everything else. Their written forms only began with European (colonial) attempts at transcription. So, be prepared for plenty of homonyms. )

    ( The European exposure has even imposed a certain level of language blending (pidgin) to the point of increasing the number of verb tenses. The original oral languages typically lacked time sensitive verb cases. This is still embodied in Black culture — as in Black Americans have had major issues with ‘timeliness’ going all the way back. (In all pre-agricultural societies, — especially in the tropics — seasons, and all the rest, had no relevance. Everyone, all the time, lived in the present.)

  47. Zulu-kwa can also work as kwa-Zulu.

    Oral languages are much more flexible in such regards.

    Unlike written forms, the oral delivery favors euphony… and obviously permits on the spot correction if references are confusing.

    In all written languages, it’s VERY important to make sure that pronouns point to the right noun… and all the rest.

    This cross up in linguistic priorities goes a GREAT distance towards explaining why young Black students get off to a terrible start in Western formal education. Correct word order has NEVER been a priority in their homes.

    &&&

    I’m reminded of my precocious niece. She made perfect sense when talking face to face. Yet her phone conversations were impossible to follow: too many dangling and implied references — both pronouns, subjects and objects.

    This is such a sharp break in language structure that it’s one of the first things addressed at West Point. Plebes are required to use ONLY full and complete sentences — at all times. Implied objects and the like are forbidden. The result is that military orders take on full descriptive natures — even under intense stress.

    This ‘break point’ is a huge factor when the US Army fights in Third World Hell holes. The opfor can only fight to very simple instructions. Their consequent fighting turns into a turkey shoot. ( Which constantly amazes American soldiers as to their ‘stupidity’ and bravery. )

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