Let’s revisit Obama on the topic of Russia…
…and recall how snarkily he mocked Romney in 2012.
I’m not sure why I’m going there. After all, there’s nothing to be done about it now. Maybe I’m just a glutton for punishment.
But when Russia invaded Ukraine, I thought about that exchange. And now that the Russian-leaning Ukrainian rebels (or separatists or whatever we’re choosing to call them these days) have shot down the Malaysian plane with 298 souls on board, I’ve thought of it again.
Here was Romney’s response to Obama, just to refresh your memory:
What about the experts? They got it wrong, wrong, wrong too. But how many will ever utter a word of apology to Mitt Romney?
I will take a wild stab at it: none. To do so, they’d have to come down hard on themselves. They’d have to abandon their fantasy world in which they were correct to have supported Obama all along.
[NOTE: This is a very reworked version of an older post.]
There’s a wonderful little meme I saw someplace. It is a picture of Romney at top it says “yes he was right about everything” beneath it says “no he shouldn’t run again.” I voted for Romney in 2012, but I am afraid all this “gee he was so right about Russia” rumination is planting the idea that’s he’s the man for 2016.
We need a real conservative in 2016. Someone who will dismantle big government, not “make it work”. If we can’t start tearing down the government industrial complex after 8 years of Obama we may never get another chance.
“What about the experts? They got it wrong, wrong, wrong too. But how many will ever utter a word of apology to Mitt Romney?
I will take a wild stab at it: none. To do so, they’d have to come down hard on themselves. They’d have to abandon their fantasy world in which they were correct to have supported Obama all along.”
Yes, they’ll never admit to error nor apologize. Ego and their status as ‘experts’ won’t allow it and… a shared agenda.
Yet if at all competent, the ‘experts’ know that Russia has consistently blocked efforts in the UN to impose sanctions against rogue regimes. They know that Russia is the primary facilitator of Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons capability. They know that Thatcher was right when she observed that, “Rogue states never turn out to be quite the pariahs they are deemed. They are only able to cause, or at least threaten to cause, mayhem because they enjoy the covert support – usually by means of technology transfers – of one or more major powers within the charmed circle of global ‘good guys’.”
Those actions decisively demonstrate Russia’s ill intentions toward the free world, yet they supported Obama in his ridicule of Romney’s correct assessment of Russia. Which makes them culpable in the lies.
For the “experts” to admit error and apologise would be breaking their own rice bowl. The talking heads would not be able to command their usual fees for spouting off their theories. They will hem and haw about this doesn’t fit ordinary analysis and continue their incorrect brand of punditry. There will be little if any correction by anyone in the dinosaur media, whose organizations employ them, some of which will follow them in the wrong-headed news guessing business.
“We need a real conservative in 2016. Someone who will dismantle big government, not “make it work”. If we can’t start tearing down the government industrial complex after 8 years of Obama we may never get another chance.” BurkeanMama
Even if we elect a conservative President in 2016, (though we’ll leave aside what conservative has a reasonable chance at election) it will be too little, too late because of two factors.
A GOP leadership that collaborates with democrats, which will undermine any conservative President’s efforts to tear down the government entitlement complex. And, because enough of the electorate won’t stand for it.
As of Oct 23, 2013 – Forty-nine percent of Americans received government benefits … from one or more government programs, according to data released by the Census Bureau.
“The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.
The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.” Vé¡clav Klaus (former Premier of the Czech Republic)
That “vast confederacy of fools” that made Obama their prince will provide the democrats with the political leverage to block all legislative efforts to tear down the government entitlement complex.
It’s going to take a huge dose of reality to awaken the public from the leftist kool-aid stupor… and even then it may not be enough, for as noted author Heinlein observed, “Reason is poor propaganda when opposed by the yammering, unceasing lies of shrewd, evil and self-serving men. The capacity of the human mind for swallowing nonsense and spewing it forth in violent and repressive action has never yet been plumbed. Hand the people a scapegoat to hate. Let them kill a scapegoat occasionally for cathartic release. The mechanism is ages old. Tyrants used it centuries before the word “psychology” was ever invented. It works, too.”
That is what the left shall do when it all collapses. Then the left will offer another demagogue, a new anti-christ, another ‘prince of lies’ and the LIVs will bow down to BaÊ»al.
GeoffreyB…My very, very favorite line(s) from that truly great western was at the Rio Grande when Angel was rhapsodizing about how “mui lindo(beautiful)” Mexico was and one of the Gorch brothers(can’t remember if it was Lyle or Tector) says: “Don’t look so damned lindo to me…Just looks like more of Texas.”
Love it. Quote it to this day!!
Geoffrey Britain: “Even if we elect a conservative President in 2016, … it will be too little, too late because of two factors. … A GOP leadership that collaborates with democrats … And, because enough of the electorate won’t stand for it.”
Yep, that’s why the prescriptive solution for the Right can’t focus (primarily) on electoral politics as the end goal.
Rather, the driving force for fundamental social change needs to be a full-spectrum Marxist-method activist social movement that subsumes electoral politics as a lesser included element.
http://doingdemocracy.com/
Geoffrey Britain: “Yet if at all competent, the ‘experts’ know that Russia has consistently blocked efforts in the UN to impose sanctions against rogue regimes. They know that Russia is the primary facilitator of Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons capability. …”
Check this out:
http://www.bigwowo.com/2014/07/malaysian-jetliner-shot-down/#comment-262980
Exhibit A remains how Democrats, particularly recent Clinton officials, adopted wholesale Russia’s false narrative on the US-led Iraq enforcement, which required a 180-degree flip with an amnesiac brain wipe of their own fresh enforcement record with Iraq.
Exhibit 1 of Exhibit A remains Clinton’s sharp turn from supporting Bush and endorsing OIF – by citing to his own fresh presidential enforcement experience with Saddam – to pretending he opposed OIF from the start. And Democrats and their media allies just going with it, despite that Clinton’s polar flip was all on record and out in the open.
Eric…
That’s one of the best expositions I’ve read about the current corruption of recent history.
You might also tack on the reality that Bush II was trying to re-boot the credibility of UNSC sanctions.
If Saddam prevailed then the UN would go the way of the League of Nations: toothless in the extreme.
Russia does not like the UN because it enhances the geopolitical power of lesser nations, generally. It goes against the conquest and domination doctrine which is at the heart of Russian thinking — going back forever.
“What about the experts? They got it wrong, wrong, wrong too. But how many will ever utter a word of apology to Mitt Romney?”
1. They are “experts”? You refer to them as “experts”. I refer to them as fascist pigs. My description is much closer to reality than your description. That these people do not have the same credibility that, say, Hermann Goering has, is partly down to our side calling them things like “experts” and not fascist pigs.
2. They got nothing “wrong”. Right and Wrong is not in the remit of fascist pigs. Getting the Big Pig elected is their remit. They got that right. 100% right. Therefore, we get it “wrong” when we say they got it “wrong”. Let’s recap: They got it right, and we continually get it wrong. See #1 for why. You get the first thing wrong, you get everything wrong.
3. “Apology”? Now i really am laughing. They are supposed to “apologize” for getting it right and winning. Yes. Of course. I am sure that will be forthcoming. Probably soon, when they (huge eye roll) see the error of their ways and decide to be good people. Ha ha ha.
Romney was the best RINO there ever was. If ever there was a RINO with principle, it was Romney. And I say was because Romney isn’t running, but I could be running wrong in that assumption.
“Do you believe they considered you a savage?” O’Reilly to Chris Kyle, sniper and American hero.
This is the type of shit troops get from fucks like that, fucks who never do anything but whack their pud in front of whores because they can’t get any. Pieces of fucking shit. O’Reilly and Ventura, stay in Purgatory for awhile. Real men can take a body blow for honor (like Nixon for the nation in 1960, he was the man, not that piece of shit philanderer and drug addict, Kennedy).
Interesting parallel between the Quaker Nixon and the Mormon Romney: both had religious considerations, either express or implied, against military service, but both were hawks, not doves. Makes you wonder if religion, when some sort of filter is applied, is good for Presidents. Filter was there for Washington and Lincoln, who could both be called “religious.”
Still, c’mon, let’s face it: Romney, grounding his argument on history and his choice of philosophy, was correct. Not a hard road to follow intellectually unless, like Obama, you’ve been programmed and actually (can you believe this) see the Soviet Union as victimized by America.
The Russians are the ground of all that is bad in the world. They find and enable and finance and support all that is anti-America. Russia is our ancient enemy in that it (and the Barbary pirates) is our first real enemy in spirit. We fought others and won and they agreed our win was made in moral right. Not so with Russia. They have never agreed to that.
And Hillary want to “reset.”
Romney, because of his religious training, knew otherwise. Do you think he knew otherwise because of geo-political intelligence? No. He knew it because the Bible identifies Russia as an end times enemy. Romney, growing up, had that programmed into him, and that is why he identified Russia as the main foreign enemy despite the current situation. I’m sure he looked at all intelligence reports, let’s face it, Romney isn’t stupid or without reason, and he certainly didn’t make it to governor without acumen and some Machiavellian compromise. So, don’t think it was merely religion because Romney could not have obtained his political power solely on that basis. Still, when pressed for his opinion on Russia, at a time when it would have been to his advantage to downplay Russia’s primary role, he did not. He couldn’t because to do would deny all his Christian training in history and prophecy. And let it be known, the Mormans do not lack in history or prophecy.
And what else is paramount in Biblical prophecy, even more than Russia? Can you say Israel.
And now Israel is defending and Russia attacking. Man, how great it would have been to have Romney at the helm!
Eric @ 6:07,
“Rather, the driving force for fundamental social change needs to be a full-spectrum Marxist-method activist social movement that subsumes electoral politics as a lesser included element.”
Forgive my obtuseness but I’m still unclear on exactly what “a full-spectrum Marxist-method activist social movement” would consist. Specifics please, examples please.
I read your links and have a few points:
Re: “Doing Democracy” Bill Moyer’s “four roles” are clear enough but what does the following mean? Specifically, 3,4,5,6 & 7
The Eight Stages of Social Movement Success:
1. Normal times
2. Prove the failure of official institutions
3. Ripening conditions
4. Take-Off
5. Perception of failure
6. Majority public opinion
7. Success
8. Continuing the struggle
I’d also like to point out the majority of the left’s success with their social movement is due to their stranglehold on academia, the schools and the mass media. How do we successfully counter-act those factors?
Regarding your comments on the Iraq war and Russia.
“In other words, in order to avoid war with Iraq, we needed Saddam to believe the US would actually resume the Gulf War if he failed to comply with the Gulf War ceasefire. Yet Russia (and China and France) deliberately protected Saddam from US-led military enforcement in the UNSC, which enabled Saddam’s noncompliance until regime change was the only effective enforcement measure left.”
You forgot Germany and the EU out of Brussels. IMO, you give far too much credit to Putin’s Russia. That is because IMO what was primarily “instrumental in the corruption of our foreign policy programming viz the prevailing false narrative on the US-led Iraq enforcement” was the democrat party, the mass media and the American and International activist left.
Russia was certainly instrumental in blocking US efforts in the UN as was China but it was subversive elements in the West that defeated Bush II’s efforts, not Putin’s Machiavellian influence.
End of the Day: Putin is peanuts compared to Obama and the 60m people who elected him twice. Those 60m+1 are the only serious enemy America has. They are the end of America if their side wins.
If we defeat them, we can handle Putin and everything else.
If we lose to our “fellow citizens” (who are not really fellow Americans at all), then whether Putin gets us, or radical Islam or something else is just the matter for whose name gets pinned on our ruin.
Mike,
You continue to lump all those who voted for Obama with the hard core left. Yet a recent poll revealed that 40% of those who self-define as “solid liberals” often feel proud of their country and are proud to be an American. That same 40% also state that “honor and duty” are values of which they approve. Those are statements and values that do NOT apply to the hard core left.
IMO these are the liberals who have been duped, indoctrinated by 50+ years of leftist memes and are our LIVs. It is those 40% plus liberally inclined independents who ignorantly provide the political leverage that the left depends upon. They are the ones who will revolt once Obama and the hard core left’s machinations start to personally affect them because the MSM can’t spin personal experience.
A revolt put off too long. Too little and too late. The sh*t we’re in will never be undone. Even real violence on a big scale will not suffice. The weight of the entire history of “civilized man” presses down upon us, and the unique single spark that led to America’s founding will soon be quenched, not to be rekindled. Ever.
Yes, they are proud of America for voting in a black man and going progressive. That’s what they are proud of, Just like Michelle said that it was the first time she was proud of her country.
“the unique single spark that led to America’s founding will soon be quenched, not to be rekindled. Ever.”
Sorry Don Carlos but I can’t agree. Even if we are in for another 1000 year dark age, history argues that, at some point the light will once more dominate. But this time, the ubiquitousness of the internet guarantees that the truth of what happened will survive any period of darkness, so some future generation will experience enlightenment.
They will thus be forewarned about the left and its machinations and that’s half the battle.
The founders certainly believed in divine providence. But they also realized that it was up to each generation to when necessary, “water the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots”. Even if we lose, God the light and the right must win because ultimately, evil always defeats itself.
It’s in evil’s nature to do so.
Geoffrey – How do you square that data with voting for Obama? I can see the first time. By round two? Best case is delusion. Probable case is they are the 47% – another thing Romney was right about.
They voted for FDR 4 times. 2 ain’t even worthy of comment.
THey will vote, if not 4, then 10. If not 10, then 50.
Watch it, Geoffrey B — remember what happened to Romney when he dared to mention how many were on the dole — and it was only 47% in 2012!