The census takers
The last couple of days the census has been in the news. I wrote about my suspicions regarding the timing of the census changes and the figures about health insurance enrollment under Obamacare here. I also recommend Ace’s piece about the Obama administration’s clever and duplicitous use of statistics, as well as the article by the usually calm and collected but-now-agitated Megan McArdle that inspired Ace to write his. And this one goes into some of the history of Obama taking the census under his wing, and the initial reaction to his move.
That was one of Obama’s initial acts as president, and some of the commenters here understood that it was a rather big deal. For example, from “rickl” in February of 2009:
I’ve been saying for a few years now that if the Left ever gets back in power, they will never relinquish it. They will make certain that no conservative can ever again win an election at the national level.
With the money for ACORN in the Porkulus bill and the White House takeover of the census, we are seeing the first steps in that direction.
And this, from the same commenter a few days later:
Obama is the most extreme leftist we’ve EVER had as President. And the Democratic leadership in Congress is pretty far out there too.
Obama’s first three weeks didn’t surprise me in the least. It’s what I’ve been expecting all along. I have to admit, though, that I didn’t expect the political takeover of the census. That was an imaginative touch, and frightening as hell.
In McArdle’s article yesterday, she wrote the following about the timing of the sudden change in the census questions just when consistency was needed most in order to evaluate Obamacare’s effect:
I just don’t get it.
I mean, I can certainly think of explanations, but I can’t quite bring myself to believe the worst of them.
That’s one of the things tyranny counts on. A lot of people expect a villain to look like Hitler or Stalin. But as Shakespeare wrote, “one may smile, and smile, and be a villain.” Count on it.
Speaking of Hitler, there’s also this, about a census-like request in eastern Ukraine:
Jews in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk where pro-Russian militants have taken over government buildings were told they have to “register” with the Ukrainians who are trying to make the city become part of Russia, according to Ukrainian and Israeli media.
Jews emerging from a synagogue say they were handed leaflets that ordered the city’s Jews to provide a list of property they own and pay a registration fee “or else have their citizenship revoked, face deportation and see their assets confiscated,” reported Ynet News, Israel’s largest news website.
Denis Pushilin, the politician in whose name the leaflets were distributed, has disavowed any connection to them. But whatever the truth or falsehood of that, it’s no secret that anti-Semitism has been part of the Russian push in eastern Ukraine.
The echo of WWII that all of this evokes is clear to anyone aware of history:
So in defining Jews through the Né¼rnberg Laws, the Nazis were ready to begin the next form of identification through a census system. All Jews were required to fill out a census. The information on the census included age, sex, religion, home address, type of employment, and number of Jewish relatives (Seltzer). It is important to note, however, that although religion was usually used to identify Jews, the Jews were not considered a religious group, but as an actual race of Jewish people. The Nazis were not the only ones to implement these census systems. Local governments, such as in France, also made use of the census (Ryan). France was convinced through German propaganda to make use of a census to keep track of its Jewish population. The census made is possible to not only identify Jewish peoples, but allowed the Nazis to identify where Jewish populations were located, and how many were living in one area. Information like this allowed them to instate a quota system to keep track of the number of Jews sent to concentration camps and the number that were remaining in any one area. According to the population concentration of Jews, the Nazis moved to assimilate the area numbering the greatest in Jewish numbers. In addition, the census information allowed the Nazis to know the exact location of each Jewish family, which in turn made the collection of Jews to be sent to concentration camps much more efficient. Finally, the information of the Jewish jobs allowed the Nazis to contact employers with propaganda to convince them that employment of Jews was not a very favorable practice. Jews attempted to avoid the census by moving to another area, or just not taking the census at all. If Jews moved, they were required to fill out a census in their new place of residence. Failure register for the census in a new residence, or refusal to take the census resulted in the person being arrested, and deported to a concentration camp (Ryan, pg 39). In the Netherlands, a dot-map technique was used in 1941 to track populations of Jews in and around Amsterdam. This composed of taking a map and using dots to mark a certain increment of the number of Jews living in an area. In the Netherlands the cataloging of Jews was established through the Dutch administration services’ population registration system, which was in essence the same as a census, but was a more technically advanced process (Seltzer).
After being identified through census systems, the Jewish population was forced to carry or wear a form of identification, and change their names to make identification easier…
The requirement of Jews to carry identification on them fit into the four step plan of the Final Solution in which the entire Jewish race would be eradicated. First off, identification of Jews took place using racial laws that defined what it was to be Jewish, and requiring them to participate in a census. Secondly, the identification and population data extracted from the census was used to take hold of Jewish property, kick Jewish peoples from certain higher paying and more influential jobs. Third, because of the lack of resources for money and food, the Jews were forced to move into much more concentrated conditions in inner city ghettos, where they were much more easily controlled by the Nazis. In these places, rent was cheaper, and food much more available, if not the best possible food. The Jews were much more easily controlled after being concentrated in these ghettos, as they were no longer able to do anything to support themselves or their families. This isolation also kept the Jews away from any supporters who might take them into hiding to prevent any harm from befalling them. Most of all, it made for easy and quick identification of any Jewish people. Finally, the Jews in these inner city ghettos were rounded up and shipped off to concentration camps, where they were put into heavy labor or systematically executed.
Prior to WWII, Ukraine was the area of the USSR in which most of its Jews resided. The pre-WWII population there was much reduced by mass killings by the Nazis (not concentration camps, but shootings), and the much-smaller post-WWII population of Jews was further reduced by persecution and then emigration. There’s some history and a chart here (scroll down just a bit; the chart’s entitled “Historical Ukrainian Jewish population,” and I can’t seem to reproduce it).
The census seems like such an unexciting and prosaic activity. Most often it actually is innocuous, but it’s this very quality of dullness that makes it such a good vehicle for a wide variety of underhanded doings, if a government so desires.
[NOTE: And no, I’m not equating Obama’s statistical shenanigans on health insurance with Hitler and the Holocaust. I’m pointing out the multiple and various uses that can be made of a census in the hands of someone up to no good.]
Watching obama talk about healthcare
ever notice that when he lies, he does this witheld smirk and does this facial thing?
ie. sociopaths/psychopaths love “DUPING DELIGHT”
part of their despotism isnt a desire for power, its a desire to trick people into power… it would not have much interest for them if it did not also incporate tricking and making the victims confused and watching the worm turn on the hook
from the paul ekman group:
I know about ekman as he does face training.
He is also the man who coined the term (i think)
The director of the Census Bureau, John H. Thompson, says he’s “confident with all the information available we’ll be able to really track the changes”. Something about three surveys that complement each other and make comparisons possible; details in the linked article.
He also said: “I can assure you, I have had no discussions of this with the White House or with anyone else in the administration. This has been a scientific process, and that’s the way we operate. I don’t understand where all these concerns come from suddenly. We pride ourselves on being a statistical agency that produces objective, nonpartisan and high-quality information. That’s our mission.”
As McArdle pointed out, this is all very, very bad timing with this change, but maybe we can believe the guy. This piece in the Wall St. Journal from last year at the time of his nomination to be director of the Census paints him as someone who’s not a political tool.
Sometime recently Wrechard the Cat opined that Obama had reversed the victory in Iraq, is reversing the victory of the Cold War and wondered if retroactively losing WWII was next.
Brilliant that cat is.
Ann…
It’s as old as dust for a manipulative politician to send out an honest — yet predictable man — to carry water for the liar in chief.
That was the original reasoning behind even having a White House spokesman…. itself Doublespeak for a player whose entire being consists of spinning admissions to suit — not the White House — but the sitting president.
The PRIMARY attribute for such a spokesman is verbal credibility.
Indeed, during the LBJ era, the unending deceits were recast by the Press(D) as being “a credibility gap.”
What a sweet euphemism! The Press(D) was dissembling about administrative lying!
As for the grift: it’s easy to premanipulate the output when you know a man’s logical being — how he works an issue. In the case at hand, our man was — literally — an open book.
He was sent up/ set up by ‘central casting’ to play his role.
%%%
Who can overlook the fact that the Census is STILL being run directly out of the White House?
Duh!
The result was MAI: made as instructed.
Apparently reversing the Mexican-American War and the American Revolution itself are on the agenda.
Somebody has to keep count of the slaves. The Census is it.
I mean, I can certainly think of explanations, but I can’t quite bring myself to believe the worst of them.
Weaklings. They have no clue. It’ll take the Left stomping a boot on their heads and backs to make them realize what they should have felt all along.
@Ann,
Don’t trust Obama’s tool.
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How much you want to bet the census asks about firearms owned ( number / type / location )?
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People are giving the “Mandated Questions” at the Doctor’s Office all kinds of worthless answers for a really good reason.
And yes, they want to know ( number / type / location ) of your firearms.
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( Hearsay / Rumor ) …
The FBI is now trolling gun stores wanting IDs of anyone who comes in to do business and mentions the words “small government” or “sovereignty”.
… think about that …
“I’m not equating Obama’s statistical shenanigans on health insurance with Hitler and the Holocaust.”
Get back to us about that in another year or so.
blert said…Who can overlook the fact that the Census is STILL being run directly out of the White House?
But is it?
The change the Obama administration proposed in 2009 was to have the Census Bureau director report to the White House in addition to the Commerce secretary:
“The administration announced its decision last week to have the Census director report to the commerce secretary and White House senior staffers as minority groups raised concerns about Obama’s nomination of Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) to serve as commerce secretary.”
The linked article discusses the pushback in some detail. I couldn’t find any follow-up on this, though, so don’t know if it actually came to pass or if the Obama folks backed down — does anyone here know?
The organizational chart for the Dept of Commerce does show the Census director reporting to the Commerce secretary.
That first post was a combination of what i saw this afternoon, and what Neo wrote… Then i re-read what was written and found some very interesting stuff (but not necessarily stupid a la Arte Johnson)
I am really going to try to be brief and not have it come out cryptic or obtuse.
Point to remember: Skinner showed we can be trained
Point to remember: Training requires repetition and normalization of response usually with a carrot and stick included.
Consider: “And no, I’m not equating Obama’s statistical shenanigans on health insurance with Hitler and the Holocaust.”
Why in the later half of the last century and every day of this century must our speech carry a ‘legal’ rider with it like listening to an auto advertisement or medicine ad that the law requires information be given?
Though i will ask you to ponder a bit deeper and realize how psychology, politics, and control come together, but not just in the positive, but in the passive negative too.
Given this bizarre way we have been trained by the left, what comes out of it, what blossoms?
A) not being taught the other socialisms in detail, so have nothing to reference if we want to speak commonly about related ideas and examples.
B) Being taught a lot of wrong stuff and half truths and mixed up ideas about the one socialism supposedly dead, never teaching operative things (methods), making that a sole common reference
C) creating the rule that any conversation that uses the evil socialism as an example (coined by someone, but not invented by them!), is considered null and void.
most people will think such is accidental. its not. because the above formulation has specific social outcomes in the body politic that has that normalized.
Any conversations about socialism in any general way, will converge on common examples, and people will naturally want to use the only example that most know – and then void their point.
but even more interesting is that it would neutralize any attempt at preventing a repeat of the same thing happening.
This would not apply in private among the kind of people that believe it, who would be free to converse knowing the game.
Any attempt to show it repeating would void the conversation.
It makes clear and paves the way for the repeat of the same system by negating its negation through understanding the same kind of thing akin to chess in which one thing protects the other thing making the other untouchable.
You learn to ignore history just in case there are other things like that, which would void your participation once you know them.
Knowing that they copy history, and refine it, so it evolves as to processes (ie. industrial revolution process ideas and evolution and Freud applied to human control), you never ask the question of what would have to change to make the repeat still happen, but not be recognized (knowing that the things that have to be close, are neutralized by the very example to prevent)
That is, if you were going to repeat history, you would certainly NOT use the EXACT same symbolism, designs, terminology, targets, etc… however, if some of those things are key and cant be changed or molded, you would have to figure out how to get there, without drawing attention…
if i go on more, it will be sliced (i fear)
“… I can’t quite bring myself to believe the worst of them.”
Honestly, it’s more shocking that someone like McArdle, who has been covering Obamacare in great detail, still gives Obama the benefit of the doubt. As Instapundit says, another idiot self-identifies.
“Watching obama talk about healthcare … ever notice that when he lies, he does this witheld smirk and does this facial thing?”
I’m not sure … when was the last time this guy said something and wasn’t lying?
You think this census stuff is about Obamacare?
that’s a farce… we are on the eve of the population finding out we are ahead of schedule on the demographic changes to the population, which will remove the “racists” (as Trotsky defined them – people who want to hold on to their culture like the slavophiles)
Your professor white is a (very) CRAPPY Historian…
Little better than a parrot… (or a liar)
again… i ask people pay CLOSE attention to the game.
that history above is the common meme that floats in the body politic, but it has very little relation to a considered real history of the actual events.
The first step in the plan was NOT what he says.
Consolidation of power, nationalizing, and gliechshaltung (which covers everything to align the state, business and people).
the German people are no more haters of Jews than most other parts of the world. they are people who were taught a few premises, and so that made it easy to guide them to conclusions that then would empower this final point.
Which means that this abuse of the census started WAY before the time that was put up as an example and the time it claims in itself.
a while back i showed the original words of articles in papers which “taught” the population certain “facts” which then were used to guide them to some erroneous conclusions. sadly, it was at the end of a post and so, neo cut it off and i never found the online college resource again.
they could not do the things they did out of hand any more than our leader could. the pieces have to be locked down in a interlocked fashion like in chess (ergo the huge fascination with it last century and a bit now).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_timeline_of_Nazism
1925-1930 the preparation
1930-1931 Wiemar fails to prevent / German banking crisis
1931-1933 Seizure of control
came to power 1932/1933
28 February 1933 Law for the Protection of People and State civil liberties suspended. Gleichschaltung (“coordination”), the process of exerting totalitarian control over Germany, begins.
22 March 1933 Dachau concentration camp opens, begins receiving political prisoners
Night of the Long Knives 1934
Before i show something else, note that Aktion T4 started in 1939
named for the address: Tiergartenstrasse 4
The “final solution” was From 1938 until June 1941
what or how was the public prepared during that time?
cont. next post… (it gets real interesting)
the story actually starts in the usa with Herman Hollerith… at OUR census bureau… and it also started over here with the ideas of euthanasia and its arguments as to what would happen (like global warming and other malthusian ideas for population control still going on), if they did not do it!! cue sanger? paul popenoe, birth control review, harmon, feminism, social justice, etc.
Hitlers census was to start right away
On April 12, 1933, the German government announced plans to conduct a long-delayed national census…
a long time between that and the official date of the final solution? no? so what “facts” were key to making all this ok with the public?
well from hollerith to Thomas Watson…
and from Watson flying to germany on behalf of IBM in October 1933
Black’s case “is long and heavily documented, and yet he does not demonstrate that IBM bears some unique or decisive responsibility for the evil that was done.” Richard Bernstein
Artfldgr:
No, I don’t think anyone thinks it’s just about Obamacare.
That’s what the quote from “rickl” was supposed to indicate when he calls it “frightening as hell.”
The census, as I wrote in the final paragraph, has “multiple and various uses…in the hands of someone up to no good.”
Most people think they are educated or able to render individual judgment.
That’s not right. They may have the logickal ability to recognize causality, but like M up above, they don’t have the heart, the soul, or the internal motivation to connect the dots. They see what they want to see.
They were already aware of it since long ago, but they refuse to connect the dots. They don’t want to know the truth. They think the truth is something their logick can handle, solve, and contain.
Without love it cannot be seen, without hate it cannot be discerned.
There are things which intellectuals are weak on, without the emotion to back it up.
What happened to Mitsu anyways. I think there’s something waiting for them.
http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/15/chavez-power-grab-is-this-our-future-too/#comment-101612
And it seems I now remember that I should have remembered that. Good thing for Noogle.
Last time I recall, Mitsu was out shilling for Obama care, getting in the commissions.
one has to realize that the IDEA for this way of categorizing came from the USA… as did many other ideas…
and that the great American powers would NOT side with communism as a winning game for them.
for them (the ones who want that, not the ones that don’t or stand in opposition), fascism is the only acceptable totalitarian system
given that the two are almost indistinguishable, and that the prior communism’s are now technically fascist states, kind of makes it a interesting package.
think:
A) the public was told that all people were equal. both the Germans and Russians said that, and the Germans just added we are equal but more equal than others
B) the public was told that Jews only made up 14% of the population but controlled 40% of the businesses and banks. [today this is called disparate impact]
the public was guided into logic we would find quite similar, but of course, to talk about it and draw connections is to void your own argument.. no?
it took a long time to do this
9—10 November 1938… Kristallnacht…
the logical conclusion went and still goes like this
A) we are all equal, people are not smarter than each other, they are a product of their environment
B) Since we are all equal the differences we see in our society cant be explained without evoking some form of “cheating” (today called oppression)
If the jews are so small a population and they control so much, and we are the same, then they must have cheated
this is powerful..
how powerful?
powerful enough to have polar bear hunting and all that happening today and right along the SAME timelines… however, in this case, the people been steeped in a soup of this truth with the concentration going up slowly
one has to remember back then, what it meant to like or love the cheater or the hated group.
what had to happen first was the preparation of the way to make people either hate them, or not care what happened to them.
now.. to close this off…
i am still trying to be short…
they have pulled the SAME trick here, repeating what worked… but since it wont work using “jews’, they had to get to the same target another way.
in this case, expanding the circle to the people who came to their defense, and who would not want to see them exterminated. “lovers” according to their ideas, share fates.
it was easy enough to turn races against each other, you can read about all kinds of active measures to that end… but the key here was to turn the sexes against each other. in this way, half of the target group would be stupid enough to not think they were joined (heck, they think they can exist once sex goes away!)
this gave the political numbers all joined against one group, of which the target group is inside the other.
but you cant get to them, the population is too large and in order for their idea to work like before, you have to change the demographics.
soooo, thanks to feminism, the census has just revealed that in under 15 years, that sea change in demographics will also change… if there is a war, that change will happen even faster given disproportionate representation.
add to that open borders and amnesty…
and the new hated minority who they were taught to kill without caring to save the world… will be acted upon directly, rather than the more covert and hidden (by the press) ways that’s been impinging them for about 40 years
and the SAME thing has been put in place..
nazis are the most hated thing
white males who removed them and died to kill them, just as the white males who did the same for blacks, are now the hated ones.
somehow, all white men are nazis
women and minorities are all against this one group of neo nazi status quo people that have to go cause they are responsible for all the ills…
we are all equal, but they control most of the businesses… and so on
you guys been living nazi ideology for decades, steweing and steeping in it, and no one who knew could tell you… those with EXPERIENCE, could not teach or inform, as the argument was voided before it started
now obama has to hide the eugenics that hasten the target group out…
stalin shipping people out to the taiga
hitler knocking out a large portion of his people
mao doing the same
there are reasons why, and even Ayers said they would have to kill over 25 million americans…
which ones?
A school-wide questionnaire at Western Washington University (WWU) asked the community “How do we make sure that in future years ‘we are not as white as we are today?’”
“Every year, from this stage and at this time, you have heard me say that, if in decades ahead, we are as white as we are today, we will have failed as university,” Shepard said in the 2012 speech.
Israel wont be a problem…
without the west – what could they do?
heck… soon the demographics will be ok for putin to seize europe, and china to seize the pacific…
without the oppressors, you thnk the feminits and minorities and immigrants will want to sign up to go to the military to fight that war?
Game, Set, Match… Checkmate…
[note, even if we discarded the ideas and wanted to do a 180 – women would not have enough children and they would not grow up fast enough
besides, the state would take them…
bout the only interesting part is the look on those edumacated grrrls that went to college when there is no one on the planet that wants to save them, given that they give birth to “oppressors”…
Sawing the branch your sitting on. priceless..
it wasnt “frightening as hell.” enough to find out what was actualy going on. its pretty obvious IF your looking at lots of parts at once, and not in isolation like bacteria in a petri dish…
these ideas are so normalized i bet one would find it hard to figure out what was theirs and what was given to them
the germans are still having that problem with what was done… but i guess the examples are lost if one fails to work out the implications, and since the implications take huge amounts of writing if not reasoned on their own..
well, like the ideology, that kind of deep thinking is also forbidden
we would not let the opposition have guns, why would we let them have ideas? – -Stalin
As I said around the time of the 2012 election, I think the main purpose of taking over the census was to enable the rigging of elections.
With that vast treasure trove of data, they were able to target specific precincts with surgical precision to get the most “bang for their buck”. It wasn’t voter fraud on a massive scale, it was on a micro scale. Being able to finagle just a few votes here and there also makes fraud much harder to detect.
I think I read somewhere that only about 400,000 votes in four key states made the difference in 2012. That’s exactly what I’m talking about. I am absolutely convinced that election was stolen.
enough to find out what was actualy going on.
So what was Art predicting in 2009? Does he remember that.
I think that there were such glowing predictions of how many people would vote for Romney that some people who would have gritted their teeth and gone out to vote for him stayed home. Combine that with rickl’s belief, and you have the results that we actually had in 2012.
Just think, because of healthcare registration, they now have names, social security numbers, birth dates and cities, and all sorts of information about people. An unscrupulous group, like some think the Democrats are, might use that information to register countless people at addresses in locations that need votes, so that John Smith, with a particular SS number, requests absentee ballots from a dozen or more different addresses in different states, and adds to those absentee ballots the Dems always come up with when the vote is close.
Even if the states coordinate their records afterward, which most don’t, there will be no way to really determine which way the individual’s vote went.
Not that the Democrats would do something like this, of course.
The only way to win elections might be for as many people as possible to hold their nose and vote, no matter who the candidate ends up being. As john Fund said, They can’t cheat if the difference in the vote is big enough.
Moreover, the Census paperwork actually said something about neighborhood inequality, or some such term. In places like Venezuela, they have neighborhood watchers, and, instead of watching out for danger, these watchers report on people and pressure them. Perhaps our neighborhoods here, in the US, will find they are gaining such watchers, you know, to make where we live more filled with social justice.
There is so much you can do if your ideas are more important than your morals.
rickl…
I’m on the same page, 100%.
Unlike the Franken selection, the Chicago crew knew that clipping the system at the edges is critical to creating a scam that can be successfully denied to the larger public.
That the Florida ballot was being stuffed — electronically — was obvious on election night. With every surge in GOP votes in the panhandle — one-hour later to close — within seconds — the Miami vote is re-toted straight up.
As if a totally electronic ballot tabulation in Miami needed an extra HOUR to find tens of thousands of extra votes.
Likewise, North Carolina, — not even considered to be a swingable state — almost made it into Barry’s column. It was insurance. Black districts were all voting Chicago style. Voters were getting out of their death beds and graves…!
It’s now coming out that voter fraud in North Carolina is now coming out. Too late for America.
With the economy punked into the corner, NO WAY did Barry win the election.
His tabulation is a far outlier just on the economics.
So it’s no surprise that he’s jamming the nation with undocumented invaders. The younger and dumber, the better.
JFK stole the election from Nixon. Republicans refused to contend or tear apart the country for an election win.
But it ended up not mattering.
This country will tear itself apart no matter what people do now.
Me, too, Rickl.
I think Obamacare completes the circle in that it makes personal information about every citizen available to politicians, breaucrats, and activist organizations.
Now the Left has groups like ACORN and La Raza set up as Navigators, authorized to take (and see) personal info and register voters at the same time (remember the draft Obamacare sign-up that included registration info?).
And then the president and lord knows how many others have access to the Obamacare hub – the largest federal database on its citizens (except NSA) linking one’s medical records to all sorts of other federal dbs (http://tinyurl.com/nzds8fn). I expect it will become common for all sorts of unsavory info on conservatives & Republicans to mysteriously leak out.
If people are surprised at what the Regime is doing now, wait until Americans realize what the Left has been doing, all 20% of the total.
So far, I estimate the general view amongst the internet bloggers is between 10 and 19%.
If the Left ever uses 51% of their power (mind control) or if people find out 51% of all the black and white operations the Left has done in America, then the conflict should go hot at that time.
Lizzy Says:
April 17th, 2014 at 7:59 pm
It’s worse than that. Obamacare will ensure that access to health care will depend on one’s political affiliation. Supporters and donors to The Party in good standing will go to the head of the line; while those identified as Enemies of the State will be denied essential procedures and told to go home and get their affiars in order. Maybe they’ll be given painkillers, if they’re lucky and docile and haven’t pissed off the authorities too much.
It will be a quiet, slow motion Holocaust, intended to gradually but inexorably eradicate any opposition to The State.
And yes, I am quite serious. You think what the IRS did was bad? You ain’t seen nothing yet.
All we would need is a week or two of the MSM suddenly being gripped by a “Truth-Teller” potion, and the truth being printed about everything, and the country would be outraged.
The press knows this, and that is why they lie, hide stories, repeat lies, do no investigative reporting on Dems, and so on. This is one of the reasons we know that the press is in the tank for the Dems, and we know that it is deliberate on their part.
When things go wrong–and there will come a tipping point–a lot of the press will be shocked to find that they will not be favored by the Dems; they will be no longer needed. They will lose their pensions and jobs and they and their loved ones will have to stand in the same lines as everyone else. History will be brutal to them.
Remember also, that there will be less and less money to spread around, and that means that it will not be the right party that matters, but whether you are important to the top of the right party.
The old USSR, Cuba, etc., find that the vast majority of their population becomes poor, including a huge percentage of the people who supported the leaders, but are no longer useful to the ruling group.
Venezuela is going that way as we speak, and is a remarkably clear example. The Castro brothers have sent Cubans to Venezuela to take over positions in all important areas of governance and security. The Cubans have been forbidden to make friends with Venezuelans. The Venezuelans who have been important to the ruling group will find that over time they are as poor and collectivized as everyone else. There is only so much money to go around. The oil technology infrastructure is in terrible condition and if it is improved over time, the money will go to the leaders and Cuban leaders, and to make trouble in other Central and South American countries.
The “useful idiots” are only useful for a while.
I remember when the Iranian Revolution made the Shah leave and the new leadership move in, that some of the most important of the men who were telling the American media about the wonderful changes and excusing the hostage-taking at the American Embassy, were themselves executed after a while as the new regime consolidated power.
Collectivists ALWAYS consolidate power.
And their rule is so incapable and corrupt and scrabbly that there is only enough for the very top people.
Minta Marie Morze Says:
April 17th, 2014 at 9:13 pm
Yet no matter how badly they impoverish the majority of the people, they usually end up cementing themselves in power for decades, if not permanently.
The problems for Jews in the Ukraine didn’t start in WWII, they started in WWI. WWII was just WWI turned up to eleven.
The entire world is “sicklied o’er with the pale cast of communism.”
USSR: only 10% of the subjects/slaves were “Allowed” to be Communist Party members. No protection thereby: the dictators tortured, imprisoned, and killed anyone they pleased, always. That’s what the end of the Rule of Law really means; the rule of the Wicked.
They’ve been closing the bolt holes quite thoroughly, too. Switzerland? was a tacitly agreed-upon “neutral corner” in the World Wars, but now? the Left have forced open the Swiss bank vaults and their records — something not even Hitler and Stalin at their apogee accomplished.
All smaller powers exist at the suffrance of the Great Powers in whose sphere of influence they live. So if a man runs afoul of one of the Leftist tyrants here, where can he go? There is no safe place. Any smaller, weaker nation would not be able to resist a determined extradition by the Leftist Thugs who have infested our government.
Great fortunes are no protection, either. History is littered with the corpses of formerly wealthy and powerful men who were broken and beggared by Thug Rulers.
I’ve been thinking of the nature of human evil, and how those who deflect the “social conservatives” are nevertheless counting on our maintaining the Judeo-Christian moral code. Because without it, there is this:
“To make you cry I will tell you the one of the twelve young homosexual men declared impure who at the end of the war in Bangladesh I saw executed in Dacca.
They executed them on the field of the stadium of Dacca, bayonetted in the chest and stomach, in the presence of twenty thousand faithful who applauded in the bleachers in the name of Allah. They thundered “Allah akbar, Allah akbar”.
I know, I know: in the Coliseum the ancient Romans, those ancient Romans of whom my culture is very proud, amused themselves seeing the Christians die as meals for lions. I know, I know: in all Christian European countries, those Christians, who in spite of my atheism I recognize the contribution they made to the history of thought, amused themselves seeing the heretics burn. However, a lot of time has gone by since then, we’ve become a little more civilized, and even the sons of Allah should have understood that certain things are not done.
After the twelve impure young men, they killed a child who, in order to save his brother who had been condemned to death, had thrown himself on the executioner. His head was squashed by military boots. If you don’t believe it, well, re-read my article or the articles of the French journalists and the Germans who, horrified like me, were witnesses. Better yet, look at the pictures that one of them took.
However, this is not the point I want to underline. What I do want to dwell on is that at the conclusion of the slaughter, the twenty-thousand faithful (many of them women) left the bleachers and went down into the field. Not in an unruly, moblike way, but very orderly, solemnly.
Slowly they formed a line and, always in the name of Allah, they stomped on the cadavers.
Continuously thundering “Allah-akbar, Allah-akbar!” They destroyed them like the Twin Towers. They reduced them to a slow, bleeding carpet of squashed bones.”
–Oriana Fallaci, “The Rage and the Pride”
Human slaves produce superior work than a machine, because a machine doesn’t run itself and doesn’t maintain itself without adjustments.
Continuously thundering “Obama, Obama!”
ACORN doesn’t fall far from the tree, eh?
I thought ACORn was slayed by Breitbart, O’Keefe, and O’Keefe’s semi honey trap girl.
The Left…. the Left is like Hercules’ regenerating Hydra heads isn’t it. Unless you kill all of them simultaneously, they regenerate damage over time and nothing you do matters. That can describe Evil, in the ourobos model, too.
For about 50 years the US has slowly been unilaterally disarming itself and replacing its military personell
in contrast, russia has been building up its humongous nuclear shelters, and has spend the past 50 years stockpiling weapons, raw materials, skills, and has even gone so far as to return to civilian fighting exercises.
while here in the US the kids are taught to be afraid of weapons, in russia, children get military training to fight.
Putin’s tiny army: Russian child soldiers trained in battle tactics, weapons and hand-to-hand combat to ‘repel any enemy of the Motherland’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2588013/Putins-tiny-army-Russian-child-soldiers-trained-battle-tactics-weapons-hand-hand-combat-repel-enemy-Motherland.html
i said PLEASE list it out… make an orderly discussion of the important stuff, ranked by whether people survive or not rather than whether they are sufficiently entertained by the mostly fantasized discourse…
Neo, have you grasped that we are on the brink of the next world war? and over the past decaded we have been avoiding any determination of whetehr we are closer or farther from it.
after all, just like the use of the funky austrian fellow as an example voids conversation, discussing an upcoming world war or the countries preparing and readying for it, including our anti-readying… is also void, in crackpot tin hat land…
you think that when people discussed hitler in the early days saying they were going to end up dead or in a war, you think they were not also marginalized?
the smart ones left.
but in this conflagration (The word marx and engles used BEFORE someone coined holocaust to disconnect that event from its history), unless you can leave the planet there will be no place to excape to
Air Force general George Lee Butler
Former Chief of the U.S. Strategic Command
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lee_Butler
We NEVER talk about whats going on in the military, except for whats PC… even neo has a hard time going agaisnt other women – its not pc, is it? hard to break skineerian training (now comes the argument and some falacious tiny proof that they did focus on something… but that woudl only be valid if one could compare what exists to be seen and what was seen!)
we are trained to be complicit in whats coming and help it along and to break that is to feel bad or feel your doing wrong so you put riders on conversations, and tip toe around the rim…
i would suggest reading:
General Lee Butler’s Speech and His Joint Statement with General Goodpaster
December 4, 1996
Clearly the world has begun to recoil from the nuclear abyss. Bombers are off alert, missiles are being destroyed and warheads dismantled, former Soviet republics have renounced nuclear status.
Really?
Its very hard to find, but remember, Russia moved to a first strike nuclear policy…
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Art, have you realized that when you don’t have predictions, you can’t predict anything?
We are the new Ukranians. The Baraqs have seized most of our “Crimea” (Wash DC). We are insufficiently fearful of our future, and still hope we can discuss with the Baraqs and work things out to a ‘mutually satisfactory understanding’. Hah.
That there is so much frustration in this thread’s discusssion is a piece of evidence that we are drawing closer to rebellion. It takes a long time to get there, but it is now distinctly closer.
I like this site but seriously, what’s happened on this thread?
Russia Nuclear Weapons Total: 8,500 (1,800 operational)
USA Nuclear Weapons Total: 7,700 (1.950 operational)
however… one side lies, and does not allow inspections and is about as transparent as obama’s transcripts
This is only STRATEGIC, not TACTICAL
Strategic weapons are the missiles that can travel from russia to anywhere i the world and visa versa
Tactical weapons include not only gravity bombs and short-range missiles, but also artillery shells, land mines, depth charges, and torpedoes for anti-submarine warfare. Also in this category are nuclear armed ground-based or shipborne surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) and air-to-air missiles.
yes… there are weapons small enough that with open borders we could have a small stockpile already in the US much like the known stockpiles already found and disarmed.
Thus far, only the United States and the Soviet Union/Russian Federation are known to have possessed nuclear weapons programs developed and funded well enough to manufacture miniaturized nuclear weapons Both the United States and the Soviet Union have acknowledged producing nuclear weapons small enough to be carried in specially-designed backpacks during the Cold War, but neither have ever made public the existence or development of weapons small enough to fit into a normal-sized suitcase or briefcase.
given the recent experience around the world, having to put the bomb in a shopping cart rather than in your breifcase is really a small difference… no?
Mk-54 (Davy Crockett) and Mk-54 (SADM)
the W54 warhead, which had a 10.75 inch diameter (270 mm), was about 15.7 inches long (400 mm), and weighed approximately 23 kg (50 lbs). has a variable yeild of 10 tons and 1 kiloton of TNT
Fat man was 21 kt
Little man was 16 kt
both showed that nuclear war was a valid concept.
how many years before the cities were re-occupied and how many live there now?
1.174 million people live in hiroshima today
(nuclear winter was invented by the same people that brought you lysenkoism, peak oil, and global warming!)
The highest-ranking GRU defector Stanislav Lunev claimed that such Russian-made devices do exist and described them in more detail. (but since he is a defector, we dont listen to him, is point is void from the start, like the other ‘points)
” According to Lunev, the number of “missing” nuclear devices (as found by General Lebed) “is almost identical to the number of strategic targets upon which those bombs would be used.
did you all know that there are “missing”nukes
and so if somethig happens there is plausible deniability now? and that the russian ‘collapse’ enabled such? and that they have been collecting samples of other nuclear material around the world to negate the los alamous nuclear sourceing work?
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“Deny with our lips what we do with our hands”
(fabian motto)
WAPo
Is satellite imagery revealing a Russian military buildup on Ukraine’s borders?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/04/11/is-satellite-imagery-revealing-a-russian-military-buildup-on-ukraines-borders/
Pentagon Moves to Block Russian Spy Plane in American Skies
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/18/pentagon-moves-to-block-russian-spy-plane-in-american-skies.html
as of today, you can find dozens of articles now wondering if this is the start of WWIII
(sorry its WWIV, cold war was WWIII)
Japanese fighters scramble against Russian bombers
april 15 2014
Two Tu-95 Russian bombers flew around the archipelago counterclockwise on Tuesday before heading toward Russia, Jiji Press reported, citing Defence Ministry officials.
The military spotted four others off the northern island of Hokkaido, Jiji said.
Russian Bombers patrolling the artic – word has it that they will make a claim for the arctic and the natural resources under it… (footage from the movie titanic not withholding)
2 days ago:
A column of armored personnel carriers flying Russian flags drove into a Ukrainian city controlled by pro-Russia demonstrators on Wednesday. Some of the troops aboard said they were Ukrainian soldiers who had switched allegiance.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said he has “a right” to send troops into Ukraine but hopes he will “not have to exercise that right.”
[wonderfully sociopathic, its the victims fault they forced the hand]
The White House confirmed Monday that Brennan traveled to Kiev, Ukraine, in recent days as part of a longer trip to Europe. (and most people dont know who is who, let along who brennan is!)
here is the point… russia is pulling a slow motion hitlerian takeover..
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lets make it interesting…
as i said..
the US is nazi germany
and the world will HAVE to come together to crush her
from the OUTSIDE, obama and the feminists and all that appears to be a repeat of that, and so, the target has been isolated, identified, labeled, and has been prepared for the spit.
if the blog article area was twice the width the articles would be half as long!!!
Rickl: As I said around the time of the 2012 election, I think the main purpose of taking over the census was to enable the rigging of elections
Wrong… the left has ALWAYS been concerned with the make up of the population, its key.
From Sanger, to sexualization of children, to gay liberation, all of those are effectively tracked by demographics in the census. One needs a way to know if ones ideas and games are having the effect you want them to have. so how do you figure out? Well you use the census as every item on their agenda for the public is to dumb them down, isolate them, keep principles of operation from them, remove supplies, and most of all, prevent the smartest most independent from breeding — by turning their fierce drive for independence to a drive to be independent from life (while believing this is a new living).
Like Krauthhammer notes today, and his changed position, these tools are always double edged!!!
But we forgot that you don’t fight a weapon, you fight the person holding the weapon
So we forgot to look at who holds the tool to see how its used
Ie. guns are bad, not the persons behind them… because the person behind them would tell you what the tool was for and how its being used… al Capone vs secret service. Wolf vs sheep dog
Ie. a wolf and a sheep dog are the same thing, but one fights for themselves at the expense of others and one fights for others at the expense of themselves
The census started like any census… it’s a report
And what people don’t get, and I get this from my job and working with lots of people, is that companies (governments too) see by their reports. They cant see a child and a childs performance, there are too many of them in their basket, so they see numbers in reports, and so there are a series of points which are weak in which one can change or inject information that changes outcomes into that series
The census is how the state SEES the public and can see what the results of its policies are.
Did feminism exterminate the babies? Yes, you can see in the census that it exterminated smart whites and jews, and exterminated a large portion of extra blacks… and so has been key to bringing the populations in line through DEMOCIDE — now the “ladies” are getting yap yap dogs to replace children.
The target group is not allowed to defend itself, if it does, its white supremacist, nothing less.
So white male jews, Christians, and so on… will just die out… their women will love that, as they believe that white males are the source of all ills… (forget that they give birth to them… here here yap dog)
just put white males are responsible into google and see what you get..
A history professor at Pasadena City College blamed mass shootings, such as the recent tragedy at Sandy Hook, on “frustrated white male privilege.”
Hugo Schwyzer, a professor of history and gender studies, told National Review Online that mass murders in the U.S. are increasingly committed by white males suffering from “cognitive dissonance,” in a country that is trending toward multiculturalism. White males feel “powerless compared to everyone else around them,” he said.
“White men are raised to expect to be welcomed wherever they go,” he wrote. “When they find that that automatic welcome isn’t forthcoming, they tend to be indignant. When angry middle-class whites gather together in political groups to “take back our country,” what they want to grab back are the privileges they sense they’ve lost.”
The dangers of white male privilege are compounded by permissive gun laws, according to Schwyzer.
“Lax gun laws provided the means for the Colorado theater massacre,” he wrote. “A yet-unexplained psychotic break provided the likely motive. And at least in part, white male privilege determined both the location and the scale.”
then there is tim wise, another white man making a living out of hating white men
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While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism. Racism, according to Webster, is ‘the assumption that psychocultural traits and capacities are determined by biological race and that races differ decisively from one another, which is usually coupled with a belief in the inherent superiority of a particular race and its rights to dominance over others.’ Where are the examples among blacks in which they sought to assert their right to dominance over others because of a belief in black superiority?…Black Power is an affirmation of the humanity of blacks in spite of white racism. It says that only blacks really know the extent of white oppression, and thus only blacks are prepared to risk all to be free.” Cone
“All white men are responsible for white oppression. It is much too easy to say, “Racism is not my fault,” or “I am not responsible for the country’s inhumanity to the black man…But insofar as white do-gooders tolerate and sponsor racism in their educational institutions, their political, economic and social structures, their churches, and in every other aspect of American life, they are directly responsible for racism…Racism is possible because whites are indifferent to suffering and patient with cruelty. Cone
WaPo Blames White Males for Gun Violence in America — Despite the Factss
White Men as The Problem
its nigh impossible to go back and look at what was written to targe people in germany…
one only needs to switch the old target with the new to recognize the speech!!!!!!!!!!
Kristallnacht turns out to be a crucial turning point in German policy regarding the Jews and may be considered as the actual beginning of what is now called the Holocaust.
By now it is clear to Hitler and his top advisors that forced immigration of Jews out of the Reich is not a feasible option.
Hitler is already considering the invasion of Poland.
Numerous concentration camps and forced labor camps are already in operation.
The Nuremberg Laws are in place.
The doctrine of lebensraum has emerged as a guiding principle of Hitler’s ideology. And,
The passivity of the German people in the face of the events of Kristallnacht made it clear that the Nazis would encounter little opposition–even from the German churches.
enoy the remake of the past
after all the passivity of the american public for 40 years as they have found a scape goat to blame and have democided them, and will take all their property from them.. for the same reasons, and using the same methods of the past they were kept ignorant of!
Hannah Arendt’s The Origins of Totalitarianism: Why the Jews?
http://literaturesalon.wordpress.com/2013/11/08/hannah-arendts-the-origins-of-totalitarianism-why-the-jews/
The Jews were targeted by the Nazis not because of their vast influence, as was claimed by fascist movements, but because of their statelessness and powerlessness
powerlessness is key…
if you claim powerless people have all the power
you can turn people who ARE powerless into an army to attack the others…
Arendt argues, the victims of totalitarian terror are selected because of their helplessness and innocence, not because of their power and culpability.
remember, you know who ahs power over you by who your not allowed to talk freelyabout
Cone can say horrid racist things, and do so on a childrens show nickelodeon… the feminists can say horrid things..
but the one class who cant say anything, cant defend themselves, cant participate equally, get assistance, and are always the targets… are the powerful?
maybe the few on the top, of which all this has no bearing on, any more than the few at the top in the nazy party who were jewish, or people like soros, jewish and part of the nazi machine…
its much better for the totalitarians to have blacks blame another for their predicament, rather than the totalitarians… as they can attack the helpless man who is not a part of any of that, take away their rights by making them LESS equal, by making others MORE equal.
once the defenders are gone, then what
How many words does Art need to say, “everything I’m writing is old news”.
How does someone write for how many years as Art has, and not improve their ability to write a story? And in that sense, how does someone who cannot change themselves, think they’ll be able to change the world or our views of the world.
Art…
You’ve missed it.
Red China has more throw weight than the rest of the planet combined.
Beijing has stayed out of ALL arms reduction talks — and just kept on building up — for decades.
I seriously doubt whether Putin dares reduce his atomics any further.
As for Pu239: EVERY Soviet era atomic power plant co-produces atomic explosive 100% of the time. The design was built upon our Hanford plant scheme.
Meaning that Ukraine is ALREADY producing weapons grade Pu239 even at this hour.
Likewise Pakistan is ramping atomics past the level of Britain and France — combined.
The Press is STILL stuck in 1968 metrics.
…
We still see KSA listed as the nation with the largest oil reserves.
It can’t be true.
Venezuela and Russia both have larger reserves.
Canada and Iraq are candidates to surpass KSA, too.
The Press lives in a doctrinal world.
“Stuck on stupid”, in so many words.
This is another example of the Left playing the long game. These plans have been lying in wait for just the right moment. The gradual takeover of the culture, education, and media has been going on for decades. In the past, such as during Clinton’s Presidency, I always felt that it was just something to be waited out and then things would return to normal. Now it feels like we’re very close to the end of the game, and I’m very frightened, both for my country and my child.
LisaM:
Agreed.
LisaM, we’re not anywhere near the end game. If only the suffering would end that quickly. It won’t.
What people are realizing is what I call “emotional enlightenment”. Things seem more dire and more conclusive because your emotions are finally catching up to your logickal processes. That allows more to be seen and understood than merely intellectual logick could ever contain.
It’s one thing to tolerate some discomfort, if one’s survival is not on the line. But when one’s survival is on the line, certain emotions and instincts are triggered. A mother may decide that lifting a car to free her trapped child is “logickal” and feasible, where if the mother had a dog or purse trapped underneath the car… she wouldn’t necessarily think it logickal to break her spine lifting up the car. Right.
Because of the Nisei evacuation of WWII and the unconstitutional draft registration laws since then – I disappeared from the US census since before 1980.
Catch me if you can!