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  1. On the collapse of the EEU, Janet Daley also writes,”This is going to be huge: so cataclysmic that it may summon up forms of ugliness that we have not seen walking abroad in Western Europe for half a century.”

    Yep.

    We will see the second murder of the middle class by government in a century over there, but this time over here too.

    The marvelous novels of Alan Furst come to mind.

  2. Two issues with the poem. There are dogs and rabbits and hunters and walls do get torn down. And frost heave is why New England fields never have a bad season for new rocks. They don’t have to import the material for those picturesque stone walls.
    Also, if you have a wall, you know, beyond any reasonable doubt, whose property is whose. There need not be any suspicion about somebody encroaching. He is, or he isn’t. Keeps things from getting tense.
    I wonder what the Eurocrats were thinking, presuming they could meld people who wanted to work at the Mediterranean pace and live at the Northern European economic level with people who worked at the Northern European level and saw their money going to folks who…didn’t.
    Cultures vary, as Thomas Sowell said, and differences have consequences. Problem is, there are places where it’s not polite to point that out, and a Eurocrat conference is likely one of them.

  3. One thing I have never understood is how people ever believed that yoking the economically weaker nations of Europe to the stronger ones would benefit the whole. Isn’t a chain only as strong as its weakest link?

    thats cause you dont know that the EU was planned many decades before it was public (and then like liberalism hijacked into something else)? West European nations create the Council of Europe in 1949.

    remember a council is a committee, is a soviet… all the same thing… as is a league… union… collective

    they credit the ideas coming from the schuman plan

    it basically was always a communist supreme soviet, negating voting of the countries, setting policy to merge them, opening up their borders.

    ie… they did everything to the EU that a ruler would do if they had invaded and took control… but did so by assuming control under treaty… but its the SAME

    the only way to withstand this onslaught of wild capitalism (as they called it) was to try to introduce the same socialist goals in all countries at once. Prior to that, the left-wing parties and the Soviet Union had opposed European integration…. From 1985 onwards they completely changed their view. The Soviets came to a conclusion and to an agreement with the left-wing parties that if they worked together they could hijack the whole European project and turn it upside down. Instead of an open market they would turn it into a federal state. Vladimir Bukovsky

    Having failed to finish off conclusively the communist system, we are now in danger of integrating the resulting monster into our world. It may not be called communism anymore, but it retained many of its dangerous characteristics… Until the Nuremberg-style tribunal passes its judgment on all the crimes committed by communism, it is not dead and the war is not over Vladimir Bukovsky

    [ergo the fame of the song “the war is not over”]

    “In January of 1989, for example, a delegation of the Trilateral Commission came to see Gorbachev. It included [former Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro] Nakasone, [former French President Valéry] Giscard d’Estaing, [American banker David] Rockefeller and [former US Secretary of State Henry] Kissinger. They had a very nice conversation where they tried to explain to Gorbachev that Soviet Russia had to integrate into the financial institutions of the world, such as Gatt, the IMF and the World Bank….

    “…the original idea was to have what they called a convergency, whereby the Soviet Union would mellow somewhat and become more social-democratic, while Western Europe would become social-democratic and socialist…. This is why the structures of the European Union were initially built with the purpose of fitting into the Soviet structure. This is why they are so similar in functioning and in structure.

    “It is no accident that the European Parliament, for example, reminds me of the Supreme Soviet. It looks like the Supreme Soviet because it was designed like it. Similarly, when you look at the European Commission it looks like the Politburo. I mean it does so exactly, except for the fact that the Commission now has 25 members and the Politburo usually had 13 or 15 members. Apart from that they are exactly the same, unaccountable to anyone, not directly elected by anyone at all

    When you look into all this bizarre activity of the European Union with its 80,000 pages of regulations it looks like Gosplan… an organisation which was planning everything in the economy, to the last nut and bolt, five years in advance. Exactly the same thing is happening in the EU. When you look at the type of EU corruption, it is exactly the Soviet type of corruption, going from top to bottom rather than going from bottom to top.

    “If you go through all the structures and features of this emerging European monster you will notice that it more and more resembles the Soviet Union. Of course, it is a milder version…. It has no KGB — not yet — but I am very carefully watching such structures as Europol for example. That really worries me a lot because this organisation will probably have powers bigger than those of the KGB…. Can you imagine a KGB with diplomatic immunity?

    “They will have to police us on 32 kinds of crimes — two of which are particularly worrying, one is called racism, another is called xenophobia. … Someone from the British government told us that those who object to uncontrolled immigration from the Third World will be regarded as racist and those who oppose further European integration will be regarded as xenophobes….

    “The Soviet Union used to be a state run by ideology. Today’s ideology of the European Union is social-democratic, statist, and a big part of it is also political correctness. I watch very carefully how political correctness spreads and becomes an oppressive ideology…. Look at this persecution of people like the Swedish pastor who was persecuted for several months because he said that the Bible does not approve homosexuality. France passed the same law of hate speech concerning gays. Britain is passing hate speech laws concerning race relations and now religious speech…. What you observe, taken into perspective, is a systematic introduction of ideology which could later be enforced with oppressive measures. Apparently that is the whole purpose of Europol….

    “It looks like we are living in a period of rapid, systematic and very consistent dismantlement of democracy. Look at this Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill. It makes ministers into legislators who can introduce new laws without bothering to tell Parliament or anyone. … This can make a dictatorship out of your country in no time.

    “Major political parties have been completely taken in by the new EU project….. They have become very corrupt. Who is going to defend our freedoms?… The most likely outcome is that there will be an economic collapse in Europe, which in due time is bound to happen with this growth of expenses and taxes. The inability to create a competitive environment, the overregulation of the economy, the bureaucratisation, it is going to lead to economic collapse. Particularly the introduction of the euro was a crazy idea….

    “Look to the huge number of immigrants from Third World countries now living in Europe. This was promoted by the European Union. What will happen with them if there is an economic collapse?… In no other country were there such ethnic tensions as in the Soviet Union…. This huge edifice of bureaucracy is going to collapse on our heads…. We are losing and we are wasting time.”

  4. Yesterday, Angela Merkel told her party that the EU monetary union has to be preseved because 60% of German exports (and Germany prides itself on being Exportweltmeister) go to other European countries and they pay no international transaction fees. While the work ethic of Northern Europe can be contrasted with that of the Mediterranean countries, it is certainly true that Germany has not complained about those countries buying German products they could not afford, a practice that was certainly helped by loans from German banks. Of course, the multiculties have only seen the EU as evidence of their moral superiority. No one has been honest about the sacrifices, gains, and erosion of democratic control the whole project entails. And I’m not so sure the people wanted to know.

  5. I’d just as soon kick California out of the Union. It’s not doing the country any favors. Isolate it like you would a viral flu outbreak and let it implode as an object lesson in what progressive policy does when played to the endgame.

  6. Daley raises a good and interesting question: what is the appropriate level of organization of a polity? And her answer: that at which members draw the line between “us” and “them.”

    It’s not at the level of the individual, or the family – cohesive, but too small to be effective at doing anything. And it’s not at the supranational (in contemporary terms) level – big enough to undertake large scale projects, but not cohesive enough to weather even a modest storm.

    Apparently the bureaucrats of the EU hoped that they could paper over the manifest and profoundly deep fault lines dividing the various peoples of Europe. A few millennia of being at each others’ throats will do that.

  7. On the EU: I have never thought it was going to work in the long term. Too much very unpleasant history to overcome. Various cultures too important to their people to give up. Very real differences between people groups. So unrealistic.

  8. A lady I know from Scotland told how under the EU, farmers were told that they had to hire non- Scotts to work on their farms, and one particular crop-I think it was sugar beets-and apparently the scotts had factories to turn them into sugar- were outlawed in at least part of scotland because of EU rules. Also, individuals were told they could not grow certain types of potatoes-for their own table- because they were not up to “EU standards”.
    Her and her husband are trying to permanently move to the US.

  9. In 2007 I did a little reading on an organization called “Common Purpose” and its possible role inside England- pushing them deeper into the EU. At the time it was operating inside the US as well….

  10. I think we have a similar problem to the EU’s here in the USA. Maybe not as bad because our states are held together more tightly by law than the countries in the EU and we have two centuries history (except for the Civil War) of fighting other enemies instead of ourselves. We (so far) have a common language.

    BUT…I don’t think that people in states that have managed their affairs with restraint and common sense should have to bail out and pay for the idiocy of the states that haven’t. We in Texas and Kentucky (as examples) didn’t elect the nuts in the California state government. If we openly or in stealth have to pay for their errors, that is taxation without representation.

    What’s the answer to this? How about following the plan put in place by our country’s founders? STATES RIGHTS.

    I don’t give a tinkers dam what they do in California as long as it doesn’t mess with my wallet or liberty.

  11. “Consensus” has become coercion”. Daley complains. Consensus has always been soft coercion, group-think. When consensus is reached, there is never a minority report.

    The Ruling Class loves ‘consensus’, as it does ‘smartgrowth’, ‘charettes’, ’embrace’, ‘sustainable’, ‘renewable’, etc. I leave it to others to expand the list of Elitist code words.

  12. To us, the citizens, the EU was for decades sold as a means to increase the bargaining/buying power of small countries on the world stage.
    A farmers’ cooperative on an international scale, that’s all we were told it was.

    Then, slowly, more and more power was stolen away to Brussels and Strassbourg, ostensibly to make that possible or more potent.
    It wasn’t until quite recently, when the “EU constitution that we’re not supposed to call an EU constitution because it would upset the voters” was pushed through without any regard for democratic process or the will of the people did the full reality come to be apparent for most subjects (we’re no longer citizens of course, citizens have free will).
    It abrogates all national sovereignty to the EU commission, which in turn does the same thing to the governments of France and Germany (not in name, but reality as those two together can push through whatever they want and it’s automatically law in all countries).

    At last the French and Germans have their Europe wide empire, and not a shot had to be fired.

  13. Expected collapse of EU is re-playing of its Biblical prototype, the collapse of Tower of Babel. Such structures are doomed because they are not included in the Creator’s grand strategy, that is, maintaining diversity and competition above uniformity and arrogance of inherently limited and flawed human knowledge. We have seen the collapse of previous attempt to unite Europe in Napoleonic empire. The same explosive of nationalism will put an end to this new attempt. The only force that can really unite Europe is non-political by its essence, namely its Christian identity, but exactly this glue was washed out by architects of EU.

  14. “At last the French and Germans have their Europe wide empire, and not a shot had to be fired.”

    Its going to be a short lived empire once the over-leveraged banks start to tumble and Greece defaults.

  15. I’ve heard more than once, one time from an anti-American Canadian that styled himself Bandit something or other, that the EU was going to “balance” the American greed for Empire and military conquests…

    How ridiculous is that now eh?

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