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  1. Neo, I’m really interested in hearing your take on the woman who hired herself a rapist to get over her PTSD. Anything forthcoming?

  2. Leftist bureaucracy games results to meet quotas from Five Year Plan.

    Where have I heard that before?

  3. Nothing wrong here. Just wealth of knowledge redistribution in search for social justice.

  4. We all know what this means: the Atlanta public school system needs more money. Isn’t that the solution every time a government program or institution fails? In addition to blaming the high standards, of course.

  5. This sort of thing is inevitable in a regime that demands all of its children are above average. There are a lot of jobs that depend on the assumption that all progress comes from an interventionist, compassionate government.

  6. Tom: I skimmed it, and my quick take is as follows:

    (1) the therapist sounds as though she may have been both incompetent and unethical.

    (2) the journalist probably has some other trauma in her own background to have had such a strong reaction to the Haitian woman’s story.

    (3) it says the journalist chose a man she knew, and with whom she had a prior history of rough sex. My guess is that she’d always been drawn to this sort of thing and the Haitian PTSD was some sort of excuse.

    (4) her writing about it is fairly exhibitionistic.

    (5) it sounds like a twisted and incorrect application of the therapeutic technique known as “flooding.”

  7. As a former math teacher in a low income school, I can only say I am relived I am no longer doing it. I do not condone what was done in Atlanta, but I can understand why it was done.

    I will leave tales from teaching for another day.

  8. neo, I skimmed it too, and my uninformed unprofessional take is

    1) she’s a whackadoodle, and
    2) see #1.

  9. Liberals want to continue throwing more and more money at education while pretending the bell curve does not exist. If liberals understood that 50% are on the left side of the bell curve and can not be moved to the right side no matter what is done or what is spent perhaps these unrealistic standards imposed by government (federal & state) would be removed. That would remove a major incentive to cheat on test scores.

  10. Parker, you’re right, but it’s worse than that. Liberals fail to accept that not only does the bell curve exist, but that it is desirable that it do so.

    Society throws up a panoply of tasks, only some of which are amenable to the academically talented. For others, such people would be a disastrous choice, every bit as inappropriate as the converse situation. (For example, the academically talented are hopelessly ill-suited to be President. Fortunately, and perhaps not coincidentally, we haven’t had an academically gifted President since Wilson.)

    A monarchy or other dictatorship can have a Marcus Aurelius, but a democracy needs a Reagan, someone who can connect with the electorate on a visceral level. That’s a skill not usually found among the academically talented.

  11. Let’s be honest here. Public schools do not exist to educate students. They exist to provide jobs for union hacks, to indoctrinate kids to support the Democratic party, and as daycare providers for working parents. If the kids happen to learn something while there, it’s pretty much by chance.

    I have two kids. I have no evidence either of them actually learns anything at school.

  12. Trimegistus, speaking of indoctrination, look at this Red drivel. Our younger son was shown this rubbish as part of his science class, as if the agitprop contained therein had even a nodding acquaintance with science.

    Fortunately, our son had been vaccinated against unthinking acceptance. As for the rest of the class … I prefer not to think about it.

  13. My favorite part was the narrator’s description of how raw materials are taken to a factory where the toxins are introduced.

    Oh. OK.

  14. Same thing happened in the local inner city here is Sunny Pennsylvania. Students taking a similar test in one of the inner city elementary schools wound up with >96% in the highest category in math and writing.

    The local rag sent a reporter to interview the budding geniuses. They told him it was easy: teachers were writing the correct answers on the classroom blackboards.

    And the paper seemed surprised that such shenanigans could be found in these schools.

    How naive…

  15. Further thought…betcha they were union members. Teachers and administrators…

    They’re stupid too…and how did they get their degrees (if any) and teaching license. Betcha they too cheated…

  16. Charlie, you’re right – they were incredibly stupid not to anticipate that 96% scores might attract some attention and, frankly, skepticism.

    With a little more cleverness, the teachers would have cheered up the scores a bit, but not to an improbable level. Say bump aggregate scores up from 50-60% country to low 70s, something good, but within the realm of possibility, and unlikely to draw detailed scrutiny.

    This neglects the ethical aspect entirely, of course, but clearly ethics didn’t get a look-in here anyway. Neither did basic intelligence, either, by the looks of it.

  17. we haven’t had an academically gifted President since Wilson.

    What about Herbert Hoover?

  18. If you can afford to send your kids to private school, do so, or if your family is capable, then home school.

  19. 1. Hall claims she knew nothing about the cheating.

    A ploy of dishonest corporate CEOs is to set performance standards so high that they can only be met by cheating. The unspoken but fully understood message to subordinates is: cheat or be fired. If the cheating is uncovered, the CEO is shocked, shocked–but presumably not shocked enough to return his bonuses.

    2. The dire economic and cultural wasteland in which the students find themselves is the culmination of many decades of problems, some of them the legacy of discrimination but in recent years many of them the legacy of the welfare state.

    “Compassionate conservatism” added to that welfare state. Heckuva job, George.

    OT: The welfare state is not responsible for all cheating. For example, it’s easy to find cases of plagiarism by Ivy League faculty and students.

    3. OT: Is it cheating when you are covered by laws that are tailor-made for you? The superelites who did so much to bring the economy down have suffered little if at all.

    4. Is it cheating when you are covered by laws that are tailor-made for you? Cf. affirmative action and attempts to impose race norming.

    5. If a teacher cheats on behalf of students, it’s only a hop skip and jump to cheating to the detriment of disfavored students.

    6. In a rational world, the cheating would reduce public confidence in public education and teachers’ unions. I’m not holding my breath.

  20. Occam’s July 6th, 2011 at 5:07 pm post…

    All great leaders use common sense gained through real life experiences and a belief in first principles to make decisions. Reagan is indeed a prime example. He certainly made a few mistakes, but all in all he was a great president, the best in my lifetime (so far).

  21. It may be too much to hope for that multiple criminal prosecutions will occur. That could conceivably extend to the level of Federal crimes, since fraudulent data were submitted to DC for Education $$$.
    But more likely it will be another ‘Nothing to see here;just move along’, since E. Holder & Obama will have the final say, and members of the teachers’ unions are involved.
    White-collar black-on-black crime? Sorry, couldn’t help it!

  22. Don Carlos says, “That could conceivably extend to the level of Federal crimes, since fraudulent data were submitted to DC for Education $$$.”

    Yep! A tremendous amount of the work by education administrators is an attempt to get more Fed $$$$. I saw this way back in the 70s when our kids were in school. The dollars since then have increased tremendously, the quality of education has not. The Dept. of Education, implemented by Jimmy Carter to improve education in the nation, has failed and should be eliminated.

  23. When bright women were largely barred from medicine, law, and business they often became teachers. Schools benefited from having these talented people in the classroom. Now education majors are among the intellectually weakest among college students.

    Widespread testing became necessary when teachers and administrators lost their integrity and began giving inflated grades. Fifty years ago students who could not read or do math got bad grades. Now teachers have learned that if you give everyone good grades your life is much simpler.

  24. Wretchard (at PJM) also dealt with this topic (and cited Neo). He has a couple of videos, including one a with a black pastors group attributing this scandal to (take a guess) RACISM.

    Occam’s,
    Your link didn’t work for me, but I found this one:

    http://www.youtube.com/storyofstuffproject#p/u/22/9GorqroigqM

    It is truly a disgusting piece of simplistic idiocy. The woman is guilty of child abuse in my mind. She probably studied under Bill Ayers.

  25. Expat, someone needs to do a rebutal video called the “story of no stuff”. And just show footage of empty Soviet grocery store shelves with cute little animations of Vodka toxins being introduced to a hopeless people.

  26. Mr. Frank:

    Now teachers have learned that if you give everyone good grades your life is much simpler.

    That could also be changed from “Now teachers..” to “Now principals..” – at least based on my year of teaching at the low income school.

    Before the grades for the first marking period were due, the principal informed the teachers that it was important to give passing grades. Nudge them up, count all efforts, etc. I complied, though a fair amount of students deserved failing grades. I could understand to a degree handing out passing grades to students who were making the effort. However, perhaps 10-20% of my students were both misbehaving and not doing the work. But even those clowns were supposed to be passed.

    The second half of the year I wised up and handed out more failing grades. I noticed that in a number of cases, but not all cases, handing out failing grades resulted in students buckling down. Like they say, if you can get the milk for free, why pay for it?

    Several years later, the principal’s contract was not renewed. The principal is now a professor at an Ed School. Those who cannot administer, become Ed School professors.

  27. If the teachers had lowered the smart kids grades instead of raising the bad students grades things would have been cool. Of course, that would mean no bonus or raise for the teachers. White- only schools of the past have now become “Private Schools”.

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