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  1. The member may indeed be correct, although not in the direction he or she had in mind.

  2. The idea behind such a defense (usually mounted by liberals/progressives) is that, if ethnic and racial groups were actually treated exactly equally and discrimination did not exist, all the races and/or ethnicity would be distributed in every category

    nice revisionism..

    may I ask what group has been doing that logic for longer than any of the ones you mentioned?

    may i also point out that before these people gave it a name it was the way they got the german population to hate jews?

    In US employment law, adverse impact, also known as disparate impact, is a “theory of liability that prohibits an employer from using a facially neutral employment practice that has an unjustified adverse impact on members of a protected class.”

    protected class
    and class hatred against their oppressors?

    by the way, i once showed a link to a translation and photo of a Nazi Germany news paper that argued the same argument. you censored it, just as you censored your paragraph above and omitted the largest group who actually moved us from equal opportunity (when they werent being hired fast enough and not liking that flooding the workplace with workers lowers salaries) to equal outcomes (favoring the oppressed class over the oppressors), to now less than equal outcomes (now that they have 60% representation over the oppressors, they now have state help in raising that even more by mandate).

    yes i know about the civil rights VII, and LBJ, and the 71 case… and a lot more…

    but what led to changing an equal opportunity law into an equal outcome law?

    who argued for all the affirmative action so well that they can have two children, and one is born an oppressor and deserves punishment the other is born the oppressed protected class!

    maybe things like this would explain it:
    The feminist dilemma: when success is not enough
    By Diana Furchtgott-Roth, Christine Stolba

    If an employer decided that a worker has to life heavy serving trays (as in the case below) and that because of that rule, more men than women are hired, the employer could be found guilty of discrimination on the grounds of disparate impact.

    and so, our soldiers have to lower their pack loads from 40 kilos, as it was in roman times, to under 20 kilos, as teh women cant do it. our police have to use tasers on children, and pregnant women, and have a higher rate of shooting civilians, because we cant select otherwise.

    ah, but you see, this is class warfare, and class society stuff…

    and as I showed, under this the oppressed have a right to class hatred agasint their oppressors.

    like a piton, one group succeeds and they all belay

    from FEMINIST LAW PROFESSORS
    “The Disparate Impact of the Economic Crisis on Unmarried Women”

    Unmarried women earn only 56 cents for every dollar that married men make. [Center for American Progress, 4/25/08]

    [does that take in aid to dependent children? does it take in support? does it take in state aid? nope… and its a known false number – i have found the number in documents from the mid 1800s]

    female-headed households have twice the likelihood — 13.5% — of seeing a 50% greater drop in their income than male-headed households’ probability — 6.6% — of such a drop. The probability of a major income drop for female-headed households has risen in the last two recessions. [“Taking a Toll: The Effects of Recession on Women,” Prepared by the Majority Staff of the Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, 4/18/08]

    and sommers:
    Of the 5.7 million jobs Americans lost between December 2007 and May 2009, nearly 80 percent had been held by men.

    Single women have been among the fastest-growing groups of homeowners in recent years. In Baltimore, single women accounted for 40% of home sales in 2006, twice the national average. Nearly half of these mortgages were subprime, according to the National Community Reinvestment. [New York Times, 1/15/08]

    well yeah, they are a protected class.
    and in germany they took belongings from the oppressor classes and gave it to the germans oppressed by he disparate impact jews were having.

    anyone want to talk about the list of jews by a certain democrat?
    A Democratic representative from New York has fired his campaign spokesperson after she gave a newspaper a list of what she called “Jewish money” going to his Republican opponent.

    same old reason… but they expanded the targets and changed the game a bit… that way, they can get away with more than before. they saw that Stalin indiscriminate and wider swath of killings hid the fact that stalin and hitler had the same targets.

    just as they revisioned out john willis menard, and joseph rainey, and jefferson f long, and robert c de large, and robert be elliot, and benigmin s turner… they have change the history of each of the target groups.

    in fact… its most interesting to go back in time, pick up the erased history, and here the rebuttals and arguments we forgot…

    to read the 16 page speech that the founders and the 4/5s person was a anti slavery thing… to read how the AMA said medicare and medicaid would lead to communism… how feminists were known for what they were, and now are not remembered as a terrorist organization that like the weather underground lit bombs and also wanted communist revolution

    history history history

    blacks and others couldn’t get this legislation… but women could.. and now that all the groups, like bishops and pawns are set up right, there is only one target. its core is the same target as before, but now widened to also take their protectors too.

  3. My poor scroll wheel 🙂

    Neo asked, “can you imagine if there was a parallel group called the Congressional White Caucus?

    No.

    And if there was I’d have no part in it. None.

    However there should be a new caucus called:

    1) The Congressional American Caucus

    or

    2) The Congressional All Races Caucus

    🙂 🙂 🙂

    That would surely fire up the liberals. 🙂

  4. Since the 1970’s Blacks have been held to a different standard than whites: They get away with things no white person would ever get away with; they are given things for free no white person would ever get the chance for (affirmative action); they are given every excuse in the book for breaking basic moral standards; they are paid money to be single parents and careless fathers.

    It is no surprise then, that they do unethical things and think nothing of it. When they are called on the carpet there is outrage and cries of racism.

    In fatc it is no different from the child whose parents let it get away with anything its whole life, and then who are shocked when the real world does not let them get away with things.

    Politicians in general are corrupt and corrupting. Black political leaders are some of the most corrupt there has ever been. They tell lies to make their living (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton for example) and use color as a kind of thuggery.

    Everyone should be held to the same standard. There should be no affirmative action; no special preferences, and the cries of racism should be gone forever. For all practical purposes, it does not exist any more.

  5. Neo, I really appreciate your postings and the comments section of your blog. Thanks.

    Concerning the double standard for the different races here in America – I don’t think that there is an answer. Sorry.

    The Asians are held to a different standard than whites for college entrance, women are held to a different standard than men and I haven’t seen any standards that apply to blacks. Mexicans seem to be the new ‘under-class’, but I think they might have a surprise up their sleeves for America. Also, don’t forget about the Muslims and others who seek to establish their own little utopia in North America. Yup, things aren’t what they were – and aren’t what they’re going to be either.

  6. “There’s a “dual standard, one for most members and one for African-Americans,” said one member of the Congressional Black Caucus, speaking on condition of anonymity.”

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    Bob M said (August 2nd, 2010 at 4:28 pm)

    “The member may indeed be correct, although not in the direction he or she had in mind.”

    SUBTLE, YET ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

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    The same argument (“You’re picking on the black man again, you racists!!”) gets made by LiberalProgressives about the number of African-Americans in prison, when the fact is that the proportionality of ethnic representation in prison pretty well matches the proportionality of ethnic representation committing crimes.

  7. “Mexicans seem to be the new ‘under-class’, but I think they might have a surprise up their sleeves for America”

    Reparations?

    And really, why not? Affirmative actions is already two generations old so why not amnesty followed by reparations followed by everybody goes to Disneyland for gubment cheese! Just leave the bill at It’s a Small World for the next generation to pick up.

  8. Sharpton’s already at work on the case. Heard him on some news report recently, and the voices of “the community” will be throwing gasoline on every spark they can find.

    Those who speak out against Obama are racist, and those who demand these players face the heat are as well. That’s how it will be played.

  9. I am SOOOO sick of all the charges of racism. It appears to be the first line of defense when a public figure is black. The dems seem to have forgotten that we humans have a fallen nature.

    The pity is that racism does exist, and by tossing that charge around for everything under the sun, real racism is less likely to be called out.

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  11. If i didn’t know better i’d swear blacks would do anything to bring back good ole back of the bus racism. Otherwise they are staring at assimilation into real equality which by definition offers no life perks or special treatment.

  12. The same argument (”You’re picking on the black man again, you racists!!”) gets made by LiberalProgressives about the number of African-Americans in prison, when the fact is that the proportionality of ethnic representation in prison pretty well matches the proportionality of ethnic representation committing crimes.

    Contaminating the arguments with facts? Denounce yourself immediately.

  13. (Disclaimer: I am Black, and a former Liberal Democrat)

    Let me offer another perspective. Someone above made a generalization about Blacks, that was painted with a wide roller brush. Waters and Rangel hail from districts that have a substantal number of lower income Blacks, who are somewhat marginalized and insulated from the rest of the world. In a past post I noted how any group that lived insular, homogenous lives from the rest of the world will have narrow world views. This can be a powerful weapon in the hands of a skilled politician. Throw in a devisive issue (Historical Racism), and you’ve created an almost teflon coated profession.

    In short, Waters and Rangel live in areas that are predominantly working class/poor Blacks, who have little contact with other viewpoints. Because of this, it is easy to play the “race card” to garner support even in the midst of corrupt behavior by a politician. Both have chosen publc trials because their reelection is a certainty. They get to play martyrs, and they still get reelected. As senior members of the CBC, they still maintain power to highjack legislation, in an effort to get their goodies in pork and gov’t contracts. What;s most significant about these 2 is that they are entreched in local/beltway politics for 30+ years. Longevity breeds arrogance; and power is maintained through manipulation. Only the tools are different.

    Take for example Barney Frank and Jack Murtha. Instead of playing the race card, they play the “Conservative Boogyman” card. Frank is so intertwined in Fannie/Freddie, that he is their poster child. And Murtha bought his poor Appalachain constituents with pork. He was an unindicted conspirator in the ABSCAM scandal, but it took him to die to get him out of office. Both are equally as crooked as Rangel and Waters. And all four are entrenched in local politics for three decades.

    And for the record, most African Americans hold the CBC in a regard that is somewhere between indifference and annoyance. The districts of the CBC are not representative of the socioeconomic and education levels of most Blacks. Look at the example of former Congressman Cynthia McKinney. She became so disliked in her district, her campaign was isolated to the poor neighborhoods, with no prin or tv campaigns. She hailed from a district that was 80% African American. After she cut a fool, she lost her distirct by 60% – 40% and 65% to 35%, in two seperate elections with the results falling along income lines.

  14. Cubs_Fan: that is true about McKinney. It gives hope that, if the offenses are egregious enough, someone who seems invincible can be rejected by the voters whose support he/she took for granted.

    And the fact that Barney Frank is still in the House is an abomination. His liberal seat is a tiny bit insecure these days, although I have every expectation that he will be re-elected.

  15. any group that lived insular, homogenous lives from the rest of the world will have narrow world views. This can be a powerful weapon in the hands of a skilled politician.

    This is right on target, and it’s typical of “ethnic politics” of all stripes. There was enormous corruption in the old Irish politics of the early 20th century for the same reason: emotion-driven appeals to ethnic solidarity and bigotry by slick politicians who had the poor and less educated folks wrapped around their fingers. It’s exactly the same today for corrupt black politicians like Rangel and Waters and McKinney.

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  17. Which reminds me. There may indeed be other congressmen just as guilty who haven’t made it to the table because they cover their tracks better, or even, as suggested, because they have that little more forgiveness by their colleagues because they are white. Could be. But absent hard data, it’s not a factor in this discussion.

  18. Cub’s_Fan

    Take for example Barney Frank and Jack Murtha. Both are equally as crooked as Rangel and Waters.

    Correct. Of the four, who would win the Rogue’s Prize for most harm done to the Republic? Barney Frank, by a landslide.

  19. I welcome such accusations. The harder they flog that horse, the sooner it will be obvious it’s deader than hell and has been.

  20. If there really is a double standard, where black Congressmen are allowed to get away with things that others can’t, then those black Congressmen have willingly participated in their own setup and have little cause to complain when Congressional Democrats, seeking a few scapegoats to throw under the reform bus to pretend they are fighting corruption, choose them.

  21. Paycheck Fairness Act would mandate equal pay for unequal work

    The Obama administration wants to force employers to pay some people equal amounts for doing unequal work, through a deceptive bill known as the Paycheck Fairness Act. “Male supermarket managers with college degrees couldn’t be paid more than female cashiers if the college degree for the manager wasn’t consistent with ‘business necessity,’” says economist Diana Furchtgott-Roth in a July 23 column in The Washington Examiner. The bill would also radically increase damage awards for what it labels as “discrimination.”

    And guess who is working really hard to come up with this ‘Soviet’ system? I am told that its The Irrelevant, but for some reason, I think they got that part wrong…

    since they changed the legal system to be rule by men, and social justice, and unequal laws for equal outcomes, they had to move to the next part. Given that we don’t know the history, how would we know where their plagiarism displayed as innovation, genius, and progressive utopianism…

    ‘now,’ an employer found guilty of discrimination is only required to pay ‘back pay,’ not ‘punitive damages.’ Actually, employers already have to pay not only back pay but also damages up to $300,000 under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. The so-called ‘Paycheck Fairness Act’ would eliminate the cap on punitive damages in gender-based pay discrimination cases, leaving the sky as the limit. Other provisions in this perverse bill could force employers to pay people who do nasty, dangerous, unpleasant jobs as little as those who do nice, pleasant ones, if the unpleasant jobs are performed mostly by members of one gender, and the pleasant ones mostly by the other gender. (Examiner, Pg. 20)
    http://www.openmarket.org/2010/08/02/paycheck-fairness-act-would-mandate-equal-pay-for-unequal-work/

    Love your cancer, die by your cancer, as your cancer don’t love you!

    By the way, the socialists claim this is equal pay for equal work, but all it is is a way to redistribute wealth and centrally control the economy.

    where is hux when you need someone to explain how the 70% nationalization, the 40+% not employed, the destruction of farm credits, deflation coming leading to hyper inflation… is not like Wiemar Germany?

    i said we were so much like it, its was petrifying. it thrust one into a Kafkaesque dream. It all could have been prevented EASILY.

    but i said, the Huxlies, and others are the major facilitators. they are the people that say, tread on, never realizing that there is an event horizon, and once you pass it, the end result is a given.

    I saw one of those survival shows recently. its sad, but interesting that they never realized that once they passed a certain point, they were later to be at a marginal point of survival. so marginal that one of the children who took an extra trip up a hill, died of the slightly extra dehydration from doing so.

    they say in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. but that is only half true. the one eyed man is not king if he is not despotic, narcissistic, and willing to grab control using his advantage.

    Otherwise, it changed into, in the land of the nearsighted, the farsighted are ignored precisely because they see farther and cant be believed until its close enough that everyone sees it. after that point the prescient become Cassandra, blamed for the peoples failures.

  22. “Disproportional” is a key word in the Left’s defensive verbal arsenal. That there is a disproportional number of black males in prison for felonies is proof of racism, etc., etc. When it’s disproportional in the other direction, that’s called social justice.

  23. Blacks commit a “disproportional” amount of crime. Do a search on “the color of crime” to see what I mean.

  24. “You see, I don’t think they have the answer. I simply can’t make myself believe that we are only clods of earth and that when we die, we die and that’s all. I’ve seen bad conditions in lots of places, on ships, in jails, and in foreign ports in China and India and Africa and South America. I’ve fought against these conditions. There’s no doubt that out of it all revolution may come – the way the Communists want it to – but what will come after that? What will this crowd do when they’ve got their revolution? I hate to think about it. But I’m pretty sure they haven’t got the answer.” John Rogan

    and

    This is the peculiar paradox of modern totalitarianism. This is the key to the mental enslavement of mankind: that the individual is made into nothing, that he operates as the physical part of what is considered a higher group intelligence and acts at the will of that higher intelligence, that he has no awareness of the plans the higher intelligence has for utilizing him. When a person conditioned by a totalitarian group talks about the right not to incriminate himself, he really means the right not to incriminate the communist group of which he is only a nerve end. When he talks of freedom of speech, he means freedom for the communist group to speak as a group through the mouth of the individual who has been selected by the higher intelligence.
    The Bill of Rights of the American Constitution was written to protect individuals against centralized power. The Communists pervert this safeguard by first enslaving the individual so that he becomes the marionette of the centralized power. Bella dodd

  25. >>said one member of the Congressional Black Caucus, speaking on condition of anonymity.>>

    Sounds like a perfect opportunity for someone to get information that would allow for investigation of Congressional members of the “other” color. If these anonymous CBC members know someone who _should_ be investigated, but aren’t – due to color or any other cause – why are they keeping mum about it? If they _don’t_ know any non-black members who _should_ be investigated, then they should keep their mouths shut…

    In other words…they should put up or shut up.

    I sometimes think that the Dems welcome congressmen with “problems” so that they can hold their secrets over them to keep them quiet – why are these CBC members anonymous? They should be shouting from the rooftops if there are equally guilty members who are getting a pass.

  26. If over or under representation of a group is an indicator of racial bias, what does it say about the fact that 95% of African Americans voted for Obama?

  27. JEG, it says they are righting wrongs. Which is curiously what the plantation owner in 1850 probably figured he was doing.

  28. here comes the fun stuff i predicted and have been trying to detail…

    Chicago bomb technicians exploded a grenade found hanging from a light pole in Lincoln Park this morning, said police news affairs. // Officials weren’t originally sure if the grenade, which was hanging from a pole on the 1900 block of North Clifton Avenue // At 8:20 a.m. the Bomb and Arson Unit detonated the apparent grenade

    the south americans have been using grenades… there are also caches…and los zetas have been paying for new recruits, sending them to mexico for insurgency training.

    unlike germany, there is nothing to prevent other external states from trying to take advantage of the situation, the progressives left out the baking soda… and have imagined being friends with people using them

  29. There may indeed be other congressmen just as guilty who haven’t made it to the table because they cover their tracks better, or even, as suggested, because they have that little more forgiveness by their colleagues because they are white.

    This will come as great news to Duke Cunningham.

  30. I agree with JuliB; ENOUGH of these accusations of racism already.

    My wife is oriental. I’ve got several hispanic in-laws. And two of my grandsons are black. A family reunion looks a little like a meeting of the UN. So take your accusations of racism and shove ’em where the sun don’t shine!

  31. AVI, yes: Republicans are the wretched refuse of the earth.

    Realistically, I suspect black politicians get a lot more slack, for several reasons.

    First, people are leery of being accused of racism (hard to believe, I know, but sometimes people make such accusations). The transgressions have to be especially egregious to overcome that risk.

    Second, and related to the first reason, going after a black malefactor is a great way to get Sharptoned. Even if you’re right, and you win the legal battle, you lose the PR one.

    Third, black politicians commonly get re-elected regardless of what they’ve done (hello, Marion Berry!), and so launching an ethics probe against a black politico probably equates to generating a political enemy for life. It’s a lower rent version of “if you strike the king, you’d better kill the king.” The chances of, e.g., Rangel or Waters actually getting the boot are zero. The day after the hearings, and the mild admonishment they’ll like receive, you’ll need their cooperation in Congress. Good luck.

    Fourth, there’s the soft bigotry of low expectations. In candor, it is sad but true that because of the reasons cited above, people – white and black alike, I suspect – pretty much expect a substantial level of malfeasance from a black politician, just as they do from a machine one.

    I suspect that all of these factors together contribute to a perception of invulnerability that promotes progressively higher levels of misconduct.

  32. JEG,

    It says that skin color was the most important thing to most of them. That’s what it says.

    When skin color is the most important thing about a person, we call that….?

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