Good for Governor Brewer
The Arizona illegal immigration law has been has been signed by Governor Brewer:
The law, which will take effect in 90 days, will make it a state crime to be in the country illegally. The measure would require migrants to produce papers verifying their status when asked to do so by a police officer, according to a story in The Arizona Republic.
It’s already a federal crime (supposedly), but the state had to take over before the feds don’t care to enforce it. That such a law as Arizona’s is now considered very controversial is a sign of our PC times. President Obama has said, from his Olympian heights, that it is “misguided.” But Governor Brewer said:
Respect for the rule of law means respect for every law…People across America are watching Arizona.
What happens next should be “interesting.” Washington is contemplating passing its own illegal immigration law. It is virtually guaranteed to not resemble Arizona’s—or anything else the majority of Americans would support.
[NOTE: Here’s my previous post on the subject of the Arizona law.]
What choice did Arizona have? The status quo is simply not an option. The President’s refusal to finish the border fence and patrol the border vigilantly forced Arizona’s hand. Obama has only himself to blame.
Yes, a big ‘Thank You’ to Gov Brewer.
Of interest is an ‘unscientific’ cnn.com reader survey running since last evening:
Do you agree with President Obama that Arizona’s new immigration bill is “misguided”?
Even though the question is stated in such a way as to encourage an agreement with Obama, as of 4pm (EDT) with 260,000 votes, the results are decidedly against Obama:
52% No, 41% Yes, 7% undecided.
Considering CNN’s primary audience and the wording of the question, the results could be deemed significant.
To the political class, the problem with the US is too many Americans.
So now they’re working on that…
People don’t realize the extent of the problem or they would be cheering all across this nation.
Border violence is vastly underreported – and that is an understatement.
Do you think this will spread to other states, or does AZ stand alone?
I’m for gaining control of our borders and see illegal immigration as a real problem. Charles is right that this law is due to Arizonan’s feeling that they simply had no other choice. I understand that feeling but disagree that there is no other choice.
The police having the right to stop someone without probable cause, who may be just walking down the street and demand identification from them is I believe, unconstitutional. It smacks of 1984 and sooner or later, the law of unintended consequences will bite us on the ass on this one.
Next, will be people who look like their ancestry might be from the M.E.
Most of all, it’s unnecessary or at least would be if the feds would just enforce the laws. Go after the employers. No jobs, no illegal immigration. Secure the borders and enforce the current laws.
Since the feds won’t do that, the state should go after the employers. Attacking illegal immigration from the supply side of the equation is getting the cart before the horse. Go after the demand side, the employers. They can’t run away.
To paraphrase Pastor Martin Niemé¶ller comment;
“THEY CAME FIRST for the illegals,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an illegal.
THEN THEY CAME for the Muslims,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Muslim.
THEN THEY CAME for the Rich,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t Rich.
THEN THEY CAME for ME and by that time no one was left to speak up.”
Well, they’ve already come for the rich. I believe this law also contains provision regarding employers. I understand your concerns, hard case makes for bad law they say.
Geoffrey Britain, muslims don’t fit into your parable. Thet come after people, not the way around.
And if the recent story with South Park show wetting themselves after one online threat from a muslim is right, the situaiton is completely opposite to what you say.
Geez, I WISH “they” come after muslims. Cowards.
There’s likely no provision in Arizona’s new immigration law which allows for general warrants and/or unreasonable searches and seizures. I doubt if the drafters of the new law were so stupid.
Rather, the new law “will require anyone whom police suspect of being in the country illegally to produce “an alien registration document,” such as a green card or other proof of citizenship, such as a passport or Arizona driver’s license.”
(The Arizona Republic, April 24, 2010.)
There’s no slippery slope here, just common sense that if the feds won’t do it, the state will. There’s also a dream come true for attorneys who are greedily rubbing their hands together.
I lived in AZ from age 8 to 20 and it is not the same place. I went to elementary and high school with people named Marquez, to be sure, but also ones named Canright, Finkelstein, Horvath, Hines, and
Carter.
If you go to the public high school I went to you would be hard pressed to find such a non-Hispanic name. From what I read, any public high school.
In the article referenced by the following link Victor Davis Hansen describes encountering a Mexican illegal who couldn’t speak Spanish.
Arizonans are stuck between Mexico and Washington. In military parlance it’s called the Hammer and Anvil. Here’s the Davis link: http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-remains-of-a-california-day/
“Witnesses say a group protesting against SB1070 began to fight with a man who was for the controversial immigration bill.
Police tried escorting that man away from the scene, fearing for his safety, when they too came under attack by people throwing items, including water bottles.” : http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/immigration/immigration_protest_small_riot_042310
Illegals come here BECAUSE we are headed by touchy feely wishy washies lacking any notion of how you earn respect in this world. It’s the same reason a whore gets more dates.
Somebody wake me up when all this PC crap is over and we can all look each other in the eye and say “Hey, we have a right and a responsibility to hurt people’s feelings to keep our nation solvent and soverieign”.
Surprise! When people actually read the law they find that it is hardly more stringent than Federal law.
Turns out it is not a license for profiling, or trampling on liberties.
Apparently the primary intent is to codify illegal immigration in state law, so that they can enforce the laws that the Feds will not enforce.
Wonder if the MSM and the Obama will acknowledge the facts?
“Wonder if the MSM and the Obama will acknowledge the facts?”
Anything is possible, but some things are more unlikely than others.
Illegal Aliens are easy to fix – three things would do so.
First arrest and detain the people running those across the border. Currently we pick them up and ship them back to Mexico. We do so because Mexico says they are their citizens and we can’t detain them – never seemed to stop Mexico from detaining our citizens who broke their laws.
Next stop giving illegal’s tax payer benefits. Do not give them ID’s, driver liscense, schools, and other services. If they decide they have to have them (lets say health care) fix them up and deport them. If they then choose to bleed to death their own damn fault.
Finally the real solution that makes all of the above work (and why people would choose to *not* bleed to death) is punish their employees. As of right now it is cheaper to hire the illegals and pay the fines that follow the proper legal channels. As long as this is the case all of the above will be abused.
There are numerous was for Mexicans to do those “Jobs Americans Will Not Do” (one of the main reasons for NAFTA), it is just cheaper to take the illegals and fines. Dry those jobs up and no one will want to risk long term jail, death, or anything else to illegally enter here.
Alas there is too much money in the illegal traffic of Mexicans for this to ever occur. No one in power wants to see it happen – Mexico gets too much money sent back to them and the US gets to much cheap labor to do so. Like Govt Spending it is going to have to hit a live or die point before anything will get done and hopefully we will not go too far into the “die” stage before we wake up.
tatyana,
I was referring to the non-violent Muslims not the radical Muslims who come after us. After another 9/11 or two we may start going after the Muslims to which I referred.
Curtis,
the new law “will require anyone whom police suspect of being in the country illegally to produce “an alien registration document,” please define ‘police suspect’ if the police have probable cause I totally support them, if they can just look at someone who looks Hispanic and demand identification, I have a problem with it.
Oldflyer,
If it’s as you say, I’m all for it.
Geoffery-
Got a link to the actual document supporting that claim?
The copy I saw said probable cause. Same as any other law.
Neo- We (Washington) are? Are they actually thinking of DOING something against illegals, rather than this three-stages-removed BS that just screws with folks who follow the rules? (About ’95, they made the picker cabins illegal– first off, they’re better than most barracks I’ve lived in, and secondly, the folks with picker cabins usually avoided illegals because they hired the same migrant families every year. Yes, there use to be a large number of folks who didn’t have a set home address– until anti-illegal laws that were scared to actually work on immigration status mostly squeezed them out.)
I can’t see how a demand to produce a document can be spinned out as “unwarranted search”: it does not involve ANY search at all. What is a purpose to have a law which can not be enforced? And how immigration laws can be enforced without checking documents?
Somewhere in Mexico theres an hombre having second thoughts about going through Arizona to get here.
The problem is not with Mexicans. They are behaving true to human nature. The problem is with us pretending we must overlook human nature as some noble gesture of compassion. When reality says putting 300 million American’s country at such risk is anything but compassionate.
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
Thus.
Please, enlighten us– where is the requirement to carry papers, let alone provide them? This law lets them check immigration status where documentation is already needed. (Also makes hiring a day laborer while blocking traffic illegal. Heh.)
http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/23-04-2010/113161-chomsky_warns_of_far_right_us-0
The murder of the white supremisist in MS also came from an off shore newspaper. Drudge is silently pointing that out, just by posting the articles.
Every nation in the world, as far as I know, has some sort of policy regarding illegal entry into their nation. Some are very strict with hefty penalties.
The “left” can say what it wants, and does, actually. But me thinks there is an ulterior motive. By all means, come if invited or allowed. But play by the rules. And we need to enforce the rules we have, like every other sovereign nation does.
Geoffrey Britain,
that is so compassionate-conservative-Bush-era of you!
Next thing you’ll tell me Islam is a Religion of Peace!
There are no “non-violent” muslims. The whole point of ideology of Islam is dominance over non-muslims. When they can achieve it by non-violent means, they do that, when not – they become suicide bombers – they send money to recruit, train and glorify suicide bombers.
Just 2 days ago there was an episode in my local news, about expansion of muslim emigrants from one compact area they occupy in Brooklyn to others – and how they are going to start construction of a mosque in Sheepshead Bay – against the wishes of the community – naturally, they cry racism and intolerance.
They know very well how to manipulate American laws and American religiosity.
What worries me–note the Iranian clerk’s desire to hold onto the American’s passport in the more recent post–is that by forcing legal immigrants to carry their papers around with them the new bill will make them vulnerable to attack by thieves who can sell the info on the black market. Illegal immigrants where I live in North Carolina–who have done nothing short of revitalizing blighted areas of town–are often attacked by local thugs because they are known to carry money around because they tend not to use checking accounts. I’ll take the illegals any day over the overly protected thugs that prey on them.
FYI
Two years ago my son and I were stopped by immigration police and asked for our drivers’ licenses as identification.
So stopping citizens is already being done. This is nothing new. The big hooha is that a governor of a state has said that she is going to enforce the laws.
FYI
Two years ago my son and I were stopped by immigration police and asked for our drivers’ licenses as identification.
So stopping citizens is already being done. This is nothing new. The big hooha is that a governor of a state has said that she is going to enforce the laws.
Goeffrey Britain: Right. I haven’t read the actual language of the legislation, but I trust that the drafters well knew there would be massive ACLU retaliation. I am suprised to see so much depend in the execution. It appears the new law does bump right up to the edge of constitutionality and would normally be unwarrented, but there is a very large and honest equitable demand by the people of Arizona. Their rights, which I think about first, must be considered. A balance of harms approach is probably a good approach and the execution of the law will, I’m sure, be closely watched, supervised, litigated . . . That should provide a safeguard.
How about we enforce our Illegal Entry laws as firmly as Mexico does on its southern border?? I hear they’re quite stringent about it.
This bill is widely supported in Arizona. The violence on the border.the instability and corruption of the Mexican government, and the damage done to property and the desert environment by the constant flow of illegals into the US has been one of those subjects the MSM won’t report honestly. Thank God Governor Brewer decided to sign the bill, effectively repudiating Obama’s remarks. I’m sure this bill will be challenged in court and litigated to hell and back but I am glad the state of Arizona is taking a stand in opposition to the federal government abdicating its responsibilities on this issue.
Mexico acts harshly and even brutally when they catch illegal immigrants coming into Mexico from the south. You can look it up and find instances of torture, immediate jailing, even death. When I lived there for a year, there was an incident of some Chinese people landing in Mexico by mistake (they were trying to get here.) Mexico had them out of there in a NY minute.
If Mexico is offended by the Arizona law, tough luck!
Let the games by the Democrats and liberals begin….
“”How about we enforce our Illegal Entry laws as firmly as Mexico does on its southern border??””
NeoconScum
Well that would be too politically incorrect. We have lawmakers whos heads would explode if America tried to actually be in the reality of this world instead of above it. Plus how would we ever get the world to like us???
You really couldn’t make this stuff up. But we’re living through it. Or dying through it.
It’s been said the Arizone law is ham-fisted and unnecessarily abusive of various rights.
That may be true. It does not mean, as some with an agenda imply, that no law is necessary or that the problem the law addresses does not exist.
Where you see a ham-fisted, clunky, sometimes counterproductive law, you’ll find a problem not manageable by other means. It might not be the best way to address the problem, but the point is…how can I be clear enough about this…THE PROBLEM.
Tweak the law. Clean up its excesses. But don’t deny that the problem exists.
Thing is, some activists try to work backwards. If the law has, or can be presented as having, unpleasant aspects, the planted axiom is that there isn’t a problem in the first place.
I’m hoping this law will be applied as written, and that it will run for long enough for us to see results.
That’s the reason we’re a nation of 50 states, people. Each and every one is a social laboratory, where experiments can be run that need not affect the general population. Want to cancel affirmative action (Texas, California) or enact universal health care (Massachusetts)? Go for it, and let the rest of the country watch and learn.
(Of course, as that last example indicates, people don’t always watch OR learn. A similar story could be told about gun control; we have states with very stringent gun-control and states with hardly any at all. Which have more gun-related crime per capita, and is the difference significant? I’d wager that, unless you have a personal interest in the issue, you don’t know… which indicates that we don’t pay nearly as much attention to such things as we should.)
respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline
Daniel.
Some Illinois representatives want National Guard to help with the violence in the city.
Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.
Wake up people especially our President! I can’t believed he made such a comment about getting harrased if you go down the street to get an ice cream and get harrassed. Ridiculous! Our Ploice Officer are not stupid and will not do this type of actions. The Immigration law signed by my governor is to stop illegasl from entering AZ. You want to come here, then do it legally. Myself and my entire family came here legally and learn English too before coming here or try at least to learn it. I hate it whenever I see job openings and requires an applicant to be bilingual, mostly you need to speak spanish….English…people.. you are now in the USA.
Everyitme I go to Texas, California, New Mexico…
there are borders setup with US Border patrolers and it is not a big deal to answer their questions and no body made a big deal about this. So carry a freaking id.
Racial profiling..bullshit… If you are here legally…then there is nothing wrong if they stop you..just answer the damn questions.
They just raided a house that has 70 illegals last night. That’s why the Immigration law in AZ was signed by my governor.