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Obama to press forward with other stuff most Americans hate — 27 Comments

1. now you know abilense paradox…

   Now that they’ve given up listening to their constituents, and already have large targets painted on their backs, what have they got to lose by supporting him? So I wouldn’t count on a single Democrat to go against the president, Pelosi, and Reid (unless they’re not needed for passage of the bills), although I suppose it’s still possible that some may surprise us and become profiles in courage . But I, for one, would be shocked were that to happen.

   and as that gets stronger, the rest will do the same, including republicans and any numbers we elect as they will be too few.

   now THIS is what i said was a process, and now the tensions and pressures that we were to be put under and the others, become clearer.

   just as, when the plan on a chess board moves into position, you know your going to lose in X moves, because thats the point of a plan, vs reaction.

   they been executing a kind of plan… we have been reacting… and like buffalo they scar us over the cliff and put us in corners where no choice is a good choice.

   THIS was something i could not explain, because without exact specifics of what kind of wood was the whip handle made from, what animal did the whip leather came from, and what metal was used in the plaiting…

   people like Hux and other reasonable people would say, its impossible… because they didn’t have the exact method. (as if not knowing the exact trajectory a 50 cal bullet going through someones head changes the outcome)

   as time passes the details of what i was saying only in general terms, become more evident.

   but in general.. the time to discover a panther, is not when you look up and he is already falling on you from out of the tree…

   your paragraph is a clear example as to how things worked in Germany.

   they only had to hold on and keep working till those with few morals (the new socialists) could change enough that others will join in to protect their self interests…

   eventually htey pass a point (which has to do with legal prosecution) that they either keep going, and win, and end up like stalin, unreachable no matter what they do… or they fail, and they are indictd and such…

   the point is that when it goes far enough, they are committed to only one way out of the predicament that their lack of history and following the others put them in.

   its such ability to read the circumstances from your own living position that would inform you of how the German people had to comply and live through it all.

   this is the perspective that people want to analyse from the outside and claim they are morally superior to… but that’s only since they never learned the mechanisms of social thumbscrews.

   and not knowing them is a clear way to let them put such things in place.

   do note that if these people are rallied against you, and your political career ends, your going to lose the special health care that you have and your family will be put in the pool with regular people.

   remember long ago i explained how the ration books and the different types of stores? that ceucesceau thought Macys was a sham…

   you didnt think that every one of those politicians up for the game, will have to risk all their families future perks and health to do the right thing.

   When if they dont, they only have to worry about what? not being elected? as long as your friends like you, not being elected will not have your family thrown in the pot with the other lumpen proletariat!!

   so elections dont have the power to do anything.

   and in case you guys didnt know it, our voting wasnt with our votes… its with our money… voting was just a way to break a tie…

   now that they have our money, we cant withold that etiher.

   that is, the mechanics of the things you are looking at are nto the real mechanics of how they work.

   if they taught you bad history
   gave you rotten mathematics
   pissed on your reading ability
   filled you with propaganda as life advice.

   what makes you think that they told you how the system works?

2. just a note..

   how do you create a military dictatorship from what we have?

   you first mobilize the women…
   you then destroy the economics of family and men
   the men/young have no future, have no work (like now)

   so the state sets up military service for all the men who have nothing to do because the women and immigrant minorities are doing the work and supporting theri families.

   these men without wives and families have no other thing to marry except their loyalty to the state.

   you see… the last two recoveries have been mostly recoveries of women… who are to take over all the jobs on the homefront (as in germany) so that the men are free to conquest.

   the women didnt marry them, or have families with them, so they wont protest them coming home in body bags.

   they are all to glad as women believing they are in a warlike mens society, that by giving the men no purpose in life, they will make a society that is not war and military focused.

   but everything they offer you as advice is 180 degress to what they are telling you.

   the destruction of the modern family by feminists was the 5th column to move us towards a more military statist totalitarian place.

   and the leaders of the feminist mvoement all know it and have been quoted. its their followers that dont belive them, just as the followers of the librals didnt believe what obama was.

   as hitler said, women are easier to dupe which is why they gave thme the vote in Germany and why he was able to get the votes he did on the idea of home, and a better safer life. (i did post links)

   The weight of this recession has fallen most heavily upon men, who’ve suffered roughly three quarters of the 8 million job losses since the beginning of 2008. Male dominated industries (construction, finance, manufacturing) have been particularly hard-hit, while sectors that disproportionately employ women (education, health care) have held up relatively well. … [It] looks possible that within the next few months, for the first time in U.S. history, women will hold a majority of the country’s jobs.

   Abolition of the family! … The bourgeois family will disappear, in the course [of history] as its supplement [private property] disappears, and both will vanish with the destruction of capital.
   – The Communist Manifesto, Chapter 2, Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels. (My translation.)

   “Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.” – Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p.1

   NOW these quotes and he backing and other things like how they don’t really represent women, start to become clearer.

   its what its like being USED…

   [but we lvoe our cancer, and so someone will say this isnt how it is… yet, open a window, and look]

   “It became increasingly clear to us that the institution of marriage `protects’ women in the same way that the institution of slavery was said to `protect’ blacks–that is, that the word `protection’ in this case is simply a euphemism for oppression,” — Sheila Cronan, “Marriage,” in Koedt, Levine, and Rapone, eds., Radical Feminism, p. 214

   there are literally hundreds of such from leaders.
   leaders who fancifully enough follwo the same ideas of the president and his radicals.

   but why would htey do this?
   why woudl they want a war of such?

   “If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.” — Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001

   isnt the best way to get rid of all those males without anything to do, is to play a great game and get the ants to fight?

   40% dont work and we cant pay our bills.
   you cant exterminate them in camps.
   (they discovered the people wont put up with that if its overtly)

   so you create circumstances that are equivalent but by other means.

   so many men out of work

   what happened the last time the progressives did this? who did they bankroll and supply at the beginning. remember Farber? what was the outcome of that social experiment where those doing the job and in the background were always safe?

   anyone notice that the green rights, and the corn for feuld thing is going to reduce the amount of food.. isnt that one of those excuses for a fight?

   and banking… they want to reset.. the great way is to have this property end up in their hands as the people who have no families die in the battle and it defaults to the state (not to mention their changing inheritance)

   the idea to understand this, is like watching an artist paint a picture, but a line here, and a line there.

   the artist knows whats going to come up (to some degree), but the person looking cant see it till enough of it is done.

   well, a tweak there, a law here, and all that in politics is the same thing and the way the soviets worked in the great game, which never ended. we just gave up and believed it did (which would be part of the great game to get your oponent to walk away from an unfinished chess game).

   we are so used to looking at events close up and not in their large contexts and potentials.

   now we are going to learn how planning and making history beats reacting and not anticipating because your resolve to decide and stick with your choice has been whittled away to the point you wont, unless there is a consensus

3. 40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

   41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

   25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

   17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

   31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

   32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

   doesnt seem they changed the plan from the 50s

   if you read before that, you would know that the reason conservative is to be hated, is that you cant chance the world to Marxism unless Marxism remains fixed and everything else changes…

   so what you do is incrementally change everything else and you foment that change is good.

   and the only thing allowed to be conserved is the teachings of the prophet marx. (which is why they get along so well with islam. another religion of prophets and service)

   now we are going to understand…

   and what will happen to those who spent all their time preventing the action that would have prevented this? they will blame the others for not working harder to convince them. such is the curse of Cassandra.

4. even the Un knows..
   you knwo the agency who was started and fomented by the brother of aldous huxley that tried to warn us in story the way that orwell did?

   International Guidelines on Sexuality Education
   graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/082509_unesco.pdf

   [anyone bother to look up lukacks and the bela kuhn regime? heck… anyone know the history of unesco? ]

5. Artfldgr,
   That (your comments above) was some of the more chilling reading I have done of late.
   I sincerely hope you are wrong, I suspect hat you may be correct.
   Too correct.
   We shall see come November.
   Neo said,

   “The real question is what will the RINO Republicans do. The Republican Party ultimately held firm in opposing Obamacare, but will this rare moment of unity continue?”

   If the republicans cave, America as a free society is history. I don’t hold out much hope for the republicans at this point in time.

6. “”If the republicans cave, America as a free society is history.””

   We need voters not to cave. And a unity of purpose that the votes go to whoever has the best shot at unseating democrats all the way down to dogcatchers.

7. If, and there’s every indication that Obama will press “a cooperative Democratic Congress to enact still more legislation that America doesn’t want and is likely to lead to greater financial ruin”…

   From this point forward, Obama and the radical left’s legislative success, will also result in a logarithmic strengthening and deepening of opposition, as the country is well past the ‘tipping point’ of tolerance for the left’s ‘solutions’.

   The more insistent and radical the legislative imposition, the greater the opposition will become.

   The prospect of Cap & Trade will lead to massive business opposition and a massive advertising campaign against it.

   Amnesty for illegals will also prove to be far more divisive than Obama anticipates.

   Thus, concurrent with the imposition of radical legislation, the American people’s anger will mount ever further and it will drive increasingly large numbers of independents away from the Democrats.

   Plus, while there are few if any moderate Democrat Congressmen left, there are millions of moderate Americans who vote as Democrats and they too are beginning to question the ‘solutions’ that Obama is pushing.

   The polls will reflect that opinion with increasingly large gaps between those opposed and those in favor of the actions of Obama and his supporters in Congress.

   The charade that the Democrats are not imposing their will upon the American people will prove increasingly impossible to support.

   By November we could see polls running 80/20 against the Democrats and will, if Obama continues an aggressive imposition of his agenda, on the order of the Health Care Bill.

   All of this will make it much easier for Republicans to stay united.

   The fights not over, it’s just beginning.

   We all recognize that what Obama is trying to do is political ‘madness’.

   Obama can’t win this because what he wants is NOT what the people want but he won’t settle for less, which means he’s setting up his own fall.

   It’s still as true today, as it was all those millennia ago, when Euripides, the great Greek tragedian wrote; “Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.”

8. More on that republican gutlessness you’ve heard so much about…

9. Tim P Says:
   April 1st, 2010 at 8:55 pm

   “The fact is that’s not going to happen, OK?” Corker told dozens of people at Vanderbilt University.

   Still, Corker made clear his opposition to the legislation and spoke in favor of continued, incremental legislative reform in future years to correct problems he foresees.

   As predicted by many, the Republican Party is already beginning to morph into the Tories of England. There is no question of repealing National Health Care; they merely argue that they can run it better than the Democrats/Labor Party.

   November 2010 is our last chance to turn this around peacefully, folks.

10. My husband has said for many years that the greatest mistake we’ve ever made was passing the 19th amendment (I should add that he is in no sense a “sexist”). While I treasure my right to vote, I do think, now and again, that he is right.

    These analogies to a chess game are interesting. It’s a long time since I’ve played chess regularly, but I do recall some years ago that my husband and I played pretty frequently. During that time we played, one evening, a game in which I experienced a revelation about the nature of The Game. I knew 6 moves ahead that I would defeat him if I could get a pawn onto a certain square, that there would be nothing he could possibly do to prevent it after that. I succeeded. It was the closest I have ever come to understanding what chess is about.

    What is the critical square in this game? I do not know. But I do know that there must be one. We can prevail if we can identify the critical square.

    Ah, the Great Game.

11. rickl, I’m dismayed by your post. Mind, I don’t disagree with you. The truth is, I think you are right. But I’m dismayed nevertheless.

    I have a dear friend at work who says that the only hope we have has been lost, because what’s needed is the will and the numbers to overthrow, physically, the government we now have. He means “overthrow” in the sense of storm the Capitol, drag the bahstuds out into the street, and hang them from rafters and streetlamps.

    But we have allowed ourselves to be conditioned to the notion that violence is never an acceptable means. We have, in short, allowed ourselves to be persuaded that the American Revolution must be abrogated. We have been persuaded that we must never actually fight.

    I don’t know whether this is right or not. I mean, no one favors violence. But, on the other hand, is there really nothing worth actually fighting for?

12. Note that in my description of my chess victory over my husband, the whole thing depended upon movement of a pawn. A pawn.

13. No more Tories! Vote any Republican who buys into ‘the narrative’ out of office. Only insistence upon following the Constitution can derail the left.

    “November 2010 is our last chance to turn this around peacefully, folks.”

    We are in full agreement Sir.

    If after the November mid-terms, the Democrats are still in a majority, America is lost. A majority of American’s will have voted for 1984 and will have proven themselves unworthy of freedom.

    They will have chosen the ‘blue pill’.

14. betsybounds:
    Now we can see why the Democrats were celebrating so deliriously after Hell Care passed.

    They knew they had changed America permanently and irrevocably unless:

    a) Republicans run on a platform of repeal and win, or

    b) Patriotic Americans rise up and overthrow the tyrants and restore the Constitution by force.

    I can’t see any other option.

15. “no one favors violence. But, on the other hand, is there really nothing worth actually fighting for?”

    “War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse.  A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing that is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” – John Stuart Mill

16. If the Republicans don’t run on a platform of repeal, and try to be moderate and compromise with the Left, then they are worse than useless.

    If they really believe they can compromise with the Left, and make little tweaks here and there in what are unconscionable and abominable laws, then they will actually hasten the time when the people will have to resort to arms to depose the tyrants.

17. Another take on that well known republican gutlessness.

18. Tim P:
    There’s no facepalm smiley here, is there?

19. The people, which is us, will resort to arms if necessary. The questions are, will they (we) be isolated small bands? Will they (we) be discredited by the MSM before we even begin to fight? Will they (we) be captured and sent off to camps of some kind or another?

    In the meantime, we will have the grace of such as Lindsey Graham. He tries to buy a bit of ground, but mainly he is working for himself, and himself alone. I would not wish to be in a foxhole with the like of this man, or to require his assent for my freedom.

20. Well, I put Boss Tweed in the Phil Harebrained thread, but this cartoon is even more pertinent here:

    http://anakbangsa69.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/boss_tweed_nast.jpg

    Plus ca change. . . plus c’est la meme chose.

21. Am I the only one who has been thinking of Dostoevsky’s “The Grand Inquisitor” lately?

    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pol116/grand.htm

    And men rejoiced that they were led like sheep, and dependent upon Miracle, Mystery, and Authority. . . .

22. Beverly: you are most definitely not the only one.

23. The Inquisitor reminds Christ of Satan’s temptation of Him in the wilderness, when Satan said, “Thou wouldst go into the world, and art going with empty hands, with some promise of freedom which men in their simplicity and their natural unruliness cannot even understand, which they fear and dread– for nothing has ever been more insupportable for a man and a human society than freedom.

    “But seest Thou these stones in this parched and barren wilderness? Turn them into bread, and mankind will run after Thee like a flock of sheep, grateful and obedient, though forever trembling, lest Thou withdraw Thy hand and deny them Thy bread.”

    But Thou wouldst not deprive man of freedom and didst reject the offer, thinking, what is that freedom worth if obedience is bought with bread? Thou didst reply that man lives not by bread alone.

    But dost Thou know that for the sake of that earthly bread the spirit of the earth will rise up against Thee and will strive with Thee and overcome Thee, and all will follow him [Satan], crying, “Who can compare with this beast? He has given us fire from heaven!”

    Dost Thou know that the ages will pass, and humanity will proclaim by the lips of their sages that there is no crime, and therefore no sin; there is only hunger?

    “Feed men, and then ask of them virtue!” that’s what they’ll write on the banner, which they will raise against Thee, and with which they will destroy Thy temple. Where Thy temple stood will rise a new building; the terrible tower of Babel will be built again, and though, like the one of old, it will not be finished, yet Thou mightest have prevented that new tower and have cut short the sufferings of men for a thousand years; for they will come back to us after a thousand years of agony with their tower. They will seek us again, hidden underground in the catacombs, for we shall be again persecuted and tortured.

    They will find us and cry to us, “Feed us, for those who have promised us fire from heaven haven’t given it!” And then we shall finish building their tower, for he finishes the building who feeds them. And we alone shall feed them in Thy name, declaring falsely that it is in Thy name.

    Oh, never, never can they feed themselves without us! No science will give them bread so long as they remain free. In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet, and say to us, “Make us your slaves, but feed us.”

    They will understand themselves, at last, that freedom and bread enough for all are inconceivable together, for never, never will they be able to share between them! They will be convinced, too, that they can never be free, for they are weak, vicious, worthless, and rebellious.

    Thou didst promise them the bread of Heaven, but, I repeat again, can it compare with earthly bread in the eyes of the weak, ever sinful and ignoble race of man? And if for the sake of the bread of Heaven thousands shall follow Thee, what is to become of the millions and tens of thousands of millions of creatures who will not have the strength to forego the earthly bread for the sake of the heavenly? Or dost Thou care only for the tens of thousands of the great and strong, while the millions, numerous as the sands of the sea, who are weak but love Thee, must exist only for the sake of the great and strong?

    No, we care for the weak too. They are sinful and rebellious, but in the end they too will become obedient. They will marvel at us and look on us as gods, because we are ready to endure the freedom which they have found so dreadful and to rule over them– so awful it will seem to them to be free. But we shall tell them that we are Thy servants and rule them in Thy name. We shall deceive them again, for we will not let Thee come to us again.

    That deception will be our suffering, for we shall be forced to lie.

24. Good morning, Neo. Hope the excerpt isn’t too long. I was stunned when I read it years ago, that the Inquisitor admitted that he and the priests were knowingly working for the Evil One, with the rationale that humans were too weak and vicious to shoulder the responsibility for having free souls, with all the risks and decisions that that entailed.

    We’re in one chapter of a very long battle.

25. “betsybounds Says:

    But we have allowed ourselves to be conditioned to the notion that violence is never an acceptable means. We have, in short, allowed ourselves to be persuaded that the American Revolution must be abrogated. We have been persuaded that we must never actually fight.

    I don’t know whether this is right or not. I mean, no one favors violence. But, on the other hand, is there really nothing worth actually fighting for?

    You have expressed the same thing I have noticed over a long time. People think they can get everyone together, sing Kumbaya and solve this issue right then and there. People must face the facts: that doesn’t happen. This is no fairy tale: our freedoms and even our lives are at stake here.

    I would love to ask some of those people who voted for Obama to mention a few of the names of the Founding Fathers – yes, those who wrote the Declaration of Independence. They will probably get one or two right. One name is not included – Gandhi. (Different time, different place.)

    Yet, people behave as if Gandhi’s words are better and carry more weight than anything Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin said – and the latter two were Founding Fathers!!

26. newton, I think it’s interesting that people either don’t realize or forget that if Gandhi had been in another place–say, the old Soviet Union or its like, instead of the British Empire–we would never have heard of him. He would have been snuffed out the first time he opened his mouth.

27. > taking on these big challenges that are critical in terms of America’s long-term economic health.”

    Indeed. And making certain that that health is totally ruined.

    Welcome to the Cloward-Piven Strategy

    Are we having fun yet?

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