Pelosi’s been reading her Goebbels
C-SPAN wrote a letter to congressional leaders Tuesday asking that TV cameras be allowed to film negotiations to reconcile the House and Senate versions of healthcare reform legislation.
But Pelosi said Congress has already been transparent throughout the process.
“There has never been a more open process for any legislation,” Pelosi said at a press conference.
Yes, and I’m the Queen of Sheba.
Check out the comments section for the article; I have never seen such intense rage before from virtually every single commenter, and this in a thread that now numbers over 1500. No one is defending Pelosi, probably because the liberals who ordinarily would be inclined to do so are angry at being shut out of the negotiating process as well. What many of the posters there are saying about Pelosi can’t be repeated on a family blog. And just think—this woman is third in line for the presidency.
The biggest problem isn’t Pelosi’s egregious lying, however, nor the contempt in which she obviously holds Americans, although both are indeed huge problems. But even worse, the checks that should limit her are not in place, because despite Pelosi’s outrageous and—yes, un-American—behavior, there’s no chance that the House of Representatives will find enough votes to call for her removal and the election of a new (and better??) Speaker, and there’s every likelihood that the MSM will keep mum about her excesses and mendacity.
I wrote “Goebbels” in the title of this post. But while it’s true that he discussed the technique, and most people attribute the idea to him, it actually was none other than Hitler who first voiced the concept, in Mein Kampf:
All this was inspired by the principle–which is quite true in itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.
Note that Hitler was not saying he was about to use the Big Lie. In the original context, the quote was imputing its use to his favorite enemies, the Jews and the Marxists, which of course (at least regarding the Jews) is a Big Lie itself. Then, during the war, Propaganda Minister Goebbels accused the English of being practitioners:
The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.
In 1984 Orwell had this to say about what he referred to as “blackwhite:”
To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed.
I think the latter description fits Pelosi; my guess is that, although on a certain level she knows she’s lying, she temporarily and strategically believes her own lies, in the time-honored leftist manner described here. But does Pelosi believe the technique will work, and that the American public will buy those lies? Or if not, does she believe it doesn’t matter, because right now she’s got the power?
[NOTE: Michelle Malkin calls Pelosi and company vampires:
Meet the Beltway bloodsuckers. They convene in the dead of night, when most ordinary mortals have left work, let their guard down, or are lying asleep in bed. Pale-faced and insatiable, the nocturnal thieves do their nefarious business in backrooms and secret chambers. Their primary victims? Taxpayers, the free market, and deliberative democracy.]
Neo wrote, “Yes, and I’m the Queen of Sheba”
Um… That has more truth!
Neo wrote, “the checks that should limit her are not in place,”
Is there a way the Supreme Court can do anything about the obvious rule breaking going on and not holding a conference committee?
Neo wrote, “she temporarily and strategically believes her own lies,”
Being drunk with power (with no checks or balances) ENABLES this. The future would be bright if somebody could “disable” this abuse of power. The future would have leaders who understand they can’t acted with this drunkenness.
That’s a great Orwell insight (“blackwhite”) that I had quite forgotten, though I’ve seen it in operation often enough, especially in political debate.
Of course, this rot goes straight up to Obama himself, who promised several times while campaigning that the healthcare debate would be televised on C-SPAN for transparency.
During the 2008 Presidential campaign, then-candidate Obama promised to do exactly this; televise the negotiations on C-SPAN. From a debate in January 2008.
And at a town hall meeting in August 2008:
— BigGovernment: C-SPAN Asks to Televise Health Care Negotiations
“… right now she’s got the power?”
It’s intoxicating, and she’s looked stoned for a long time now; the glaze in the eyes reminds you of Hitler and Mao in front of the crowds… great article Neo.
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Although no one can tell what is going on in Nancy Pelosi’s mind (including Nancy Pelosi), I don’t think she knows what fascism is and, if asked, would immediately claim fascists are those right wing conservatives who refuse to work with her. You know, those mean spirited Republicans. Yet, she is on a quest to turn this country into a fascist state, and in a hurry. At once she is an idiot and a useful idiot. A twofer.
Pelosi is on a quest to make the world safe for her grandchildren, most likely assuming that, like her, they will be given some higher status and not be subject to the rules that will apply to the rest of us. They will not have to worry about health care or climate change and won’t have to breathe that nasty carbon dioxide. But, they will have to abide the nanny state she is creating. Sorry Nancy. They won’t be safe and they won’t be pleased with your legacy.
Pelosi serves as the new Herman Goering in moving Obama’s fascist agenda, without, I believe, any understanding of the similarities to what happened to representative government in Germany that led to the transfer of power to the Nazi party. We are even mimicking the economic chaos that led to hyper-inflation in the 1920’2 in Germany. By insisting on holding Congressional meetings in secret, she is also creating a growing disrespect for representative government and laying the groundwork for a possible (but still very, very unlikely) putsch. If this country slips into fascism it will be more of her doing than Obama’s. In my view it has been the failure of Obama to light the spark of fascism in his followers (not for lack of trying) that gives us conservatives cause for hope.
We have to fight the very good fight for another year. Keep your fingers crossed.
SOrry. 1920’s.
neo. Can’t you add a preview feature?
When they talk, they are not talking to you, they are talking to the future and history.
that is, right now we are saying X and beign upset and all that.. and wondering why they are doing it. but in 10 or 20 years, their dialogue will be the public record, and our laments (like those women who dont agree with rad fems) will not exist.
we are not the audience they are performing for…
actually was none other than Hitler who first voiced the concept, in Mein Kampf:
actually… it was lenin…
“A lie told often enough becomes truth”
he was dead by the time hitler came to office…
but given that soviets were the seat of socialism, then he was COPYING them…
he also said
“Fascism is capitalism in decay”
and
“The goal of socialism is communism.”
“It is true that liberty is precious – so precious that it must be rationed”
Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever”
[which is also attributed to hitler from kampf]
“Without a revolutionary theory there cannot be a revolutionary movement.”
socialism in both its russian and german forms as well as now in the west is a death cult.
the germans wore totenkopf on SS uniforms..
many refer to it as totenkampf wrongly
but the translation fits… deaths struggle.
if you look at the ship that the greenies recently used to attack a whaling vessel, they have on its side a totenkopf.
of course greenies will not know or believe that their ideology is to theirs what primates are to man.. (ergo them walking around with a death rune and calling it a peace sign)
his favorite enemies, the Jews and the Marxists…
he was a marxist…
stalin and him fought over the same people.
this is where we dont get that they both were fighting over how socialism would be realized…
hitler took the concept that marxists should oversee business.
stalin took the concept that marxists should BE business.
in case you havent noticed, the marxist of the soviets and chinese, are now following HITLERS concept of marxism. FACISM
you can beat this dead horse till it rises and takes a rider, but people will keep spouting the left lie that they are different. they are not.
cut from the same cloth all of them. feminists, black national socialists, national socialists, stalinists, leninists, maoists, castroites, etc.
all are variations on one totalitarian theme
all one has to do is see the love of heiddeger today by the left to realize stuff like this.
hitler did not hate the marxists, he hated the Bolshiviks… (who hated the menshivics). the germans saw the russians a brutal thugs and animals… and they were..
they were worse than the germans
but they didnt lose…
Pelosi is the last of the Baltimore D’Allessandro clan — a corrupt Maryland political dynasty that was not far from being a crime syndicate. Her husband is a businessman of dubious ethics. She represents San Francisco, a thoroughly amoral city.
With that background and environment, Nancy has a very different worldview than decent folk do.
Pelosi is a nasty piece of work, all right.
Steve G. is correct that Pelosi fills a key role in Obama’s quest to “transform America.”
I’m not sure I’d compare her to Goering since I have more respect for Goering, but I take Steve’s point that Pelosi is an important tip of the spear for Obama’s work, much as Goering was for Hitler.
We are indeed fortunate that Obama is not supported by people of the caliber of Goebbels, Goering, and Speer, and that Obama himself is not nearly so resourceful and steely as Hitler.
“We are indeed fortunate that Obama is not supported by people of the caliber of Goebbels, Goering, and Speer, and that Obama himself is not nearly so resourceful and steely as Hitler.”
I’ve been thinking that for some time now but have been afraid to say it.
As it is enough damage will be done.
Artfldgr: when I say that Marxists were one of Hitler’s favorite enemies, I’m speaking of Hitler’s own rhetoric in Mein Kampf when he was discussing the Big Lie, not who Hitler really was in terms of the German economy. Hitler was definitely a man of the left, but he spoke against Communism while at the same time acting in a leftist (specifically, Fascist) manner by appropriating industry for the state.
Perfected democrat said, “It’s intoxicating, and she’s looked stoned for a long time now; the glaze in the eyes reminds you of Hitler and Mao in front of the crowds…”
Just so! I have been convinced for some time now that Pelosi is literally intoxicated with the hubris of being the Speaker and having a solid majority in the House. The stoned, mirthless smile; the fake laugh; the unfocused eyes; and the ridiculous, easy lies – all symptoms of a giddy sense of loss of touch with reality. Obama is bad, but this woman has been an even greater disaster. More reason to fight for more conservative Republicans to be elected in November.
I’ve said here and elsewhere that Obama & Co. are ramming through their manifestly unpopular programs to “Cloward and Piven” our democracy and the capitalist system, and that they are being so apparently reckless and seem unworried about being thrown out of office in the next two election cycles, because they fully intend to fix the election results so that they will stay in power. I had thought such a fraud would be carried out through a corrupted Census bureau, plus the combined efforts of ACORN, ACTION and other elements from the various new “public service organizations” that Obama & Co. have created, which all together will apparently form Obama’s “Civilian National Security Force.”
Now, however, I read of Democrats plans to introduce in the next few days legislation to being into being another pet project of Cloward and Piven, “universal voter registration,” a bill that will add anybody and everybody–without any attempts at real verification, cross-checking or elimination of duplicates–who happens to be on some government list–on a welfare roll, a voter registration form, on a tax record, mortgage, drivers license, etc., etc.–a move that will probably add 10 or 20 million reliably Democratic voting illegal aliens, plus millions of other duplicate and phony voters to the voter rolls, insuring that no matter how many millions of furious legitimate voters vote against them, there will be more real and phony votes for Obama & Co., no matter how obtained.
I’ve been thinking that for some time now but have been afraid to say it.
As it is enough damage will be done.
My thoughts exactly. Our best hope lies in the stupidity and incompetence that the leftists are displaying in such profusion.
Given that we had to be afflicted, we’re lucky it was with such nincompoops. In addition to being ruthless, Hitler, Goering, Goebbels, and Speer were also all highly intelligent men, and ones who would have made mincemeat (probably literally) out of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi.
So, thank God for small blessings.
Artfldgr: One other thing—-“a lie told often enough becomes true”—is a related although different concept than the big lie. The first (Lenin’s formulation) refers to getting used to a lie (big or small) through repetition. The second (Hitler’s) is about the size of the lie being related to its believability, and the paradoxical fact that people might be more inclined to believe a whopper than a small one. Goebbels’s formulation is a combination of both ideas.
The stoned, mirthless smile; the fake laugh; the unfocused eyes
Someone on another blog said several days ago that Pelosi is showing the physical symptoms of Parkinson’s. Any MDs around here who could speak to that?
We’ll see how the Big Lie and the Repetitive Lie fare in the Internet Age where it’s nearly impossible to block out competing points of view.
For example, even though Global Warming hysteria has been driven hard and repetitively into our citizens’ brains by the educated elites and the Democratic leadership, belief in global warming has steadily declined and is now below 50%.
In Nazi Germany radios were manufactured cheaply and distributed widely but these radios could not pick up foreign non-Nazi broadcasts. Additionally one could be executed for listening to non-Nazi broadcasts.
“I’m the Queen of Sheba”
Well, you are comely (Cant. 1:5)
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For those who may need help lying here’s my five helpful hint’s on how to lie:
1) first make sure the target wants to or needs to believe the lie;
2) make sure the target does not know or is willing to forsake the truth;
3) repeat the lie as often as possible;
4) keep the lie as close to the truth as possible so that the truth can become confused with the lie;
5) delivery, try to convince the target that you are his best friend and that your are only thinking of him and so forth.
As for the big lie and the gullible masses, judging from the fact Obama’s approval is still around 50% I am afraid Adolf was on to something about human credulity.
BTW Prof. Barry Rubin has a particularly good post over at Rubin Reports.
You can fool all of the people some of the time, but if you can fool the independents one time, you’ll win.
Watching Pelosi defend the Healthcare legislative process as “open” is dishonesty and self-delusion on the same scale as Ahmadinejad saying they don’t have homosexuals in Iran, or Baghdad Bob denying the Americans were in the capital while our tanks were plainly visible across the square from where he was speaking. It is that egregious.
“And just think–this woman is third in line for the presidency.”
Nancy Pelosi is not third in line for the presidency. She is second.
Vice President Biden is first in line.
Barack Obama is not in line. He is already President.
Oh Pat how depressing!
I’ve been watching Thomas Sowell on NRO’s Uncommon Knowledge discussing his book Intellectuals and Society and recommend it highly. He says that underlying all the lies and absurdity is self-flattery. The Big Lie is perpetrated because they are sure they hold the moral high ground. And it is perpetuated by the garden-variety liberal because the ends are noble (as in Noble Lie) and he wants the status of belonging to the Smart People.
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