Obama tells Netanyahu…
…to stop building homes.
Obama doesn’t believe in “meddling” in the affairs of other countries. Unless that country is Israel, or a nation stuggling against tyranny such as Honduras.
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That is not, unfortunately, just the Obama way. Politicians by nature like to meddle with things. If things are going their way, they meddle behind the scenes, If things are not going their way, they meddle publicly. What is important for us is to use that as a diagnostic tool to discern what they think of as “going my way.”
Stopping legal settlements on Palestinian lands is a long and on going issue, be fair.
nyomythus: this is in Jerusalem. Did you not read the post?
Well there are some disputed lands in Jerusalem, I don’t have all the maps and treaties in from of me, dang! Nevertheless what I said is valid in general.
Which brings up the oldl question of why so many Jews voted for zero, and for Israel-abandoning liberals in general.
in the jump page…
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443844574&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
there is:
“This says that there is no ban on Arabs buying apartments in the western part of the city and there is no ban on Jews buying or building apartments in the eastern part of the city.”
Netanyahu said Jerusalem was an open, undivided city “that has no separation according to religion or national affiliation. We cannot accept the idea that Jews will not have the right to live and purchase in all parts of Jerusalem.”
The prime minister said that just as there would be an international outcry if Jews were prohibited from buying property in New York, London, Paris or Rome, so too Jews should not be prohibited from buying property in Jerusalem.
Anyways…. Thought this would help.
The guy is a classic bully.
You’re the Teacher’s Union? Yes sir! We’ll shut down the D.C. voucher program.
You’re a secured Chrysler bondholder? Make way for the UAW!
You’re Israel? When I say “Jump!” you say “How high?”
You’re Russia? Yes sir! No missile defense, no sir! No way!
Recall that after the cease-fire from the 1948 war, the Arabs expelled Jewish residents from the parts of Jerusalem that the Jordanian government took over.
Which makes ∅bama even more arrogant.
Bully your allies, make nice with your enemies.
That does not seem to me to be the way to succeed.
∅bama
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Gringo: on the contrary, the guy is very loyal to HIS allies: Arab states (and Arabs in&around Israel) , socialist/collectivist and retrograde-Islamic countries and governments. He is a lefty, first and foremost, and an American In Name Only.
I suspect Russia, during The One’s visit, intentionally represented themselves as being irritated with The One. You gain more strategic ground from opposing The One, and from playing very hard to get, and from dangling the carrot/promise that you might, someday, maaaybe make a strategic partnership in some area (if The One will make “reasonable” concessions), but in the meantime you are mightily pissed off.
Well before his trip to Russia, The One’s foreign policy actions with other nations effectively trained Russia to be an open antagonist against the interests of the United States.
What The One did with Russia, and does with other foreign nations, is similar to what a permissive parent does with a child: the permissive parent creates consequences which encourage the child’s undisciplined behavior. In fact, you can think of GWB as a father who believed in creating painful consequences for misbehavior; and you can think of The One as a misguided permissive parent. America needs to call to Nanny 911, and quick.
You’re known by the company you keep. Following is a link to a JPost interview with an Iranian whose job it was to rape girls before their executions because it’s against the law to execute virgins.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443842931&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
Brook no insolence from those pesky Jews who want to get a new apartment! It takes time away from honoring the Supreme Leader.
Or, maybe the Dog Whisperer, with his winning sequence:
Exercise
Discipline
Then Affection.
Do not get this sequence backwards. Be a pack leader.
Neoneocon,
You’re either a bit confused or being disingenuous here.
The article refers specifically to East Jerusalem, not Jerusalem writ large.
The annexation of East Jerusalem to Israel was unilateral, is illegal under international law designed to discourage interstate aggression, and has been viewed as illegal by successive U.S. administrations, not just Obama’s.
This is simply the first administration to act on stated U.S. policy, which is to deny recognition of the annexation pending a final agreement on the status of East Jerusalem and the Palestinian Territories.
As such, the request by the United States to Israel to stop building housing in East Jerusalem is not some outrageous position, but rather one compliant with international and U.S. law regarding an occupier’s obligations to the people living in an occupied territory, which precludes annexations and the appropriation of land for the occupier’s use.
Nyomythus is correct here. Israel has a long tradition of appropriating Palestinian properties in East Jerusalem, razing their homes, and building Israeli homes and other buildings in their stead. My personal favorite was the attempt to build a Museum of Tolerance on Palestinian Muslim graves; that is, I believe, a rather clear illustration of the concept of chutzpah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Jerusalem
Excerpt:
In March 2009, a confidential “EU Heads of Mission Report on East Jerusalem” was published, in which the Israeli government was accused of “actively pursuing the illegal annexation” of East Jerusalem.”
An accusation is not a fact.
another excerpt:
Since June 28 1967, East Jerusalem has been under the law, jurisdiction, and administration of the State of Israel.[11] The right of Israel to declare sovereignty over the entirety of Jerusalem is not recognized by the international community, which regarded the move as de facto annexation [12] and deemed Israeli jurisdiction invalid in a subsequent non-binding United Nations General Assembly resolution.[13] However in a reply to the resolution, Israel denied that these measures constitute annexation.[14]
In the 1980 Basic Law, or “Jerusalem Law” Israel declared Jerusalem “complete and united”, to be “the capital of Israel”. The new law left the bounds of Jerusalem unspecified.[15] In response, the UN Security Council unanimously adopted the non-binding Resolution 478 (the U.S. abstained), declaring the law to be “null and void” and a violation of international law. Nevertheless, in 1988, Jordan, while rejecting Israeli sovereignty over East Jerusalem, withdrew all its claims to the West Bank (including East Jerusalem).”
The battle of words go on
Another excerpt:
the U.S. Senate in 1990 had adopted a resolution “acknowledging Jerusalem as Israel’s capital” and stating that it “strongly believes that Jerusalem must remain an undivided city.”[19] Congress passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act on October 23, 1995, which declared that Jerusalem should remain undivided and that it should be recognized as Israel’s capital.”
Ah…. but we are beholden to the joooos.
The significance of 20 units
by Commentary Magazine
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/richman/73792
That article mentions this article
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NjgwYjE0MzBlYjFkYWNiOTEzMTZkMmFmNTAyN2NhZjE=
The author’s premise is:
The Palestinians lose on a ‘settlement freeze’ too
“My personal favorite was the attempt to build a Museum of Tolerance on Palestinian Muslim graves; that is, I believe, a rather clear illustration of the concept of chutzpah.”
People focus on what they want to… From my point of view “chutzpah” is the entire, in reality very short real history of the so-called “palestinian” movement, which never existed until the Jews returned, coincident with the Shoah, to claim their rightful place in history and it’s geography. After WWII, the arab world and especially the so-called “palestinians” never stopped fighting their mohammeden/nazi campaign agains the Jews. Judenrein is the name of the game that the arab-muslim world has been foisting on the world, where somehow there is room for 1.5 billion muslims effectively controlling something approximating 20% of the earth, but there isn’t room on a tiny sliver of land for 6 million Jews with a well established history predating both Christianity and Islam. So-called “international and U.S. law” may exist on the books, but is a trifle against the backdrop of several thousand years of history which fully legitimate the presence of Jews in East Jerusalem and the so-called West Bank. You can placate the arab-muslim campaign against Israel and the equal rights of Jews in and around Israel, but you’re only digging your own hole a little deeper for the day that sharia comes to your own city and street.
“… the attempt to build a Museum of Tolerance on Palestinian Muslim graves.”
Your indignation is almost laughable, when the list of mass-murders, indignities and destructions leveled against Hindus, Christians and Jews in this world is taken into account; From the Jewish Temple to “Andulasia”, this history makes your cherry picked example inconsequential by comparison.
Baklava stole my line…. Although I’ve got to tisk at him (her?) for using Wiki, I can’t find a better source.
Pretty basic precedent in foreign law that *doesn’t* involve the Jews, though– someone attacks you, you win, you can take land to keep them from attacking you quite so well next time. Somehow, when you add Jews, and they’re so inconsiderate as to actually fight back instead of laying down to die, things change….
The CIA World Factbook shows line for the 1994 treaty with Jordon, which puts the West Bank nicely inside of Israel, in a much more natural shape for a country.
Are the folks suggesting Israel has no right to Jerusalem going to urge that the Gaza strip be returned to Israel?
That said, I have to laugh at folks talking about Jews having no historic claim…to Jerusalem.
*big grin* How many major religions have to speak to a historical claim before it’s considered? Do the Romans have any say?
I could go on and on…. too. History has always dictated that Jerusalem belongs to whoever is strong enough to hold it. The Jew’s loyalty to Jerusalem is again being historically tested. The muslims and the U.N. crowd were very late comers to Jerusalem, even the Romans were there before islam was so much as a thought. Attempting to rewrite history may be “effective” for awhile, but it never changes the truth.
“… the attempt to build a Museum of Tolerance on Palestinian Muslim graves.”
Since when were the graves of other religions ever treated with due respect by muslims? There is nothing lower than the phony indignation of left-wing hypocrisy…
Of course, the Jordanians used the stones from Jewish graves on the Mount of Olives in their barracks latrines, between 1948 and 1967.
Then Jews won back what they lost in the war.
So I say to the Palestinians (and Jordanians), go piss on yourselves.
I’m not saying two wrongs make a right, but I never saw anyone boo-hooing about how the Jews were kept from the Western Wall (though the 1949 Armistice promised Jewish access there)…or how the Jewish Quarter was torn up, or how the gravestones were vandalized. NO ONE CARED.
But the Muslims, ooh, we have to be tolerant of THEM.
Lets put some sanity in to this argument. . The Mandate of Palestine was designated by the League of Nations in 1921 (yes I know thats an inconvenient date for Mohammedans and their ‘libtard’ apologists as it totally destroys the Holocaust guilt argument) anyway the Mandate was supposed to be split roughly 50/50 between Jews and the ARAB invaders . So what is the current situation well the ARAB invaders currently occupy over 80% of what was the original Mandate and STILL the Mohammedans and their PC, MC moonbat ‘libtards’ apologists want Israel to give up more of the less than 20% they have as can be readily seen by the fools posting such on here.
Arab INVADERS ? I hear you ask well thats what they are and the ONLY claim they have to the Holy Land is ‘right of conquest’ a claim they want to deny to Jews of course wonder why ??? LOL
Even more proof that Winston Churchill was absolutely correct when he said :
“Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.”
This is not about LAND it has never been about LAND it is just a Mohammedan excuse to KILL Jews.
Request for clarification
‘nyomythus’ posted this earlier in this thread
“Stopping legal settlements on Palestinian lands is a long and on going issue, be fair.”
1) Can you please say where and from whom you obtained your definition of these lands as ‘PALESTINIAN’ especially in light of my post above?
2) Do you think trying to stop settlements on what YOU designate as ‘Palestinian Lands’ is a realistic policy?
3) Why do you call these settlements ‘LEGAL’ then say they are on PALESTINIAN LAND because for sure if they are LEGAL then there is no logical objection to them apart from Mohammedan lies and PC, MC , moonbat, ‘libtard’ concurrence is there or am I missing something?
Your inability to answer these questions logically and coherently will be noted.
“Jordan ruled Judea and Samaria from 1948 until 1967, when Israel conquered the region. During the 19 years of Jordanian jurisdiction, the Arabs there held Jordanian citizenship, with no moves made to establish a Palestinian sovereignty in any part of the territories. The Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) charter current at the time explicitly rejected any and all Palestinian claims in Jordanian territory on the eastern side of the Jordan River.”
From: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132504
UGH !!!!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_go_co/us_defense_spending
F-22 voted down by Senate !!!
I’m beside myself here.
That direclty affects 22,000 jobs and indirectly affects 70,000 jobs in Georgia, Texas and California.
In re Jerusalem’s Museum of Tolerance, I found this link useful.
Was the museum built atop ground where, after construction began, skeletons were found? Yes, it was. And is it ironic in the extreme to build a “Museum of Tolerance” by moving someone else’s cemetery? Yes, it is.
Having said that, however, other facts might also be instructive:
– that the builders of the museum went through all the usual channels — which are extensive in Israel — to make sure that they had chosen a good place to dig. This includes publishing the plans, and giving people plenty of time to protest and object.
– that the cemetery in question had, apparently, been buried for some time. A large portion of it was apparently under a 30-year-old parking lot, the construction of which raised no objections at the time.
– that the cemetery itself, once unearthed, had been in serious disrepair; according to the linked article, “The Antiquities Authority reported to the High Court […] that there are at least five layers of density of graves there.” Graves atop graves, in other words.
– Finally: by planning to relocate these graves elsewhere, and to foot the bill completely for it, the MoT builders were, in fact, trying to restore a long-forgotten cemetery.
And yes, there seems to have been not-inconsiderable Jewish protest against this even so.
Now, one can certainly argue that the museum shouldn’t have been built there. On the other hand, please take note of the care that was taken, once the cemetery was discovered. We certainly didn’t see this when the Jewish cemetery at the Mount of Olives was uprooted by Jordan pre-1967, and dozens of centuries-old synagogues were dynamited to the ground. We didn’t see this in 2005 either, when Palestinians destroyed thousands of dollars worth of buildings and equipment in Gaza — which had been left there for them!
Do Jews in general, and Israelis in particular, do ethically questionable things now and then? Of course we do; we’re as human as the rest of you. But over the long term, nobody holds themselves to a higher standard, and nobody behaves more ethically. (For an example of what I mean — and an interesting counter-example to the contention that “Israel has a long tradition of appropriating Palestinian properties in East Jerusalem, razing their homes, and building Israeli homes and other buildings in their stead” — have a look at this.)
respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline
Daniel in Brookline-
Thank you for the rest of the story!
Baklava –
Yeah, kinda leaves you sick to the stomach– my guys have been joking about planes older than the pilots in them for some time– and the F18 is from the late 70s….
There is no such thing as a Palestinian nation, except if you mean the Jews. The Palestinian Arabs are not inhabitants of the land since time immemorial, but immigrants, some from the late 19th century by Ottoman decree, most from the 1920s to the 1940s, having been attracted to the land that, from being a neglected backwater in the 19th century (a mass of bare mountains and malaria-infested swamps), was worked into greenery by the loving hands of the Jews. The Palestinian Arabs are beneficiaries; we Jews owe them nothing at all.
We know what the Palestinians feel regarding this land. Out of their hate, they chose to turn the greenhouses left over in Gaza in August 2005 into a pile of sand. That’s what they are capable of. Don’t let anybody sell you the lie of how “Jewish colonial settlers” arrived at a “teeming land” and robbed it of its “indigenous people”. Goebbels would be proud of such a lie. The relationship between a Jew and Palestine is that of son and mother – longing for her even from afar. The relationship between an Arab and Palestine is that of a miser and his millions – he has so much more than Palestine (22 states last time I counted), and he gives Palestine no thought unless someone dares to establish a state on it. Like Smaug the dragon the Muslims jealously guard every patch of land, while keeping them in a hell-hole state.
As for international law – especially relevant in light of the news of a captured G.I. being used by the Taliban for propaganda purposes in violation of the Geneva Convention: international law is like gun control, making the world safe for those who disregard it. International law should be irrelevant for anyone, any nation that values its survival. All you who harp on about international law: Get off your high horse, already, because there’s a real world out there.
nice summary kosher warrier. though i should remind that the geneva convention only applied to the signatories, it has no real place in the real world between those who have not agreed to fight a war with rules. obviously the taliban did not sign the geneva convention, so technically all bets are off in all ways, except for the limitations we put on ourselves.