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Cronkite and Vietnam: Part I — 23 Comments

  1. The media had something of a monopoly for projecting an equally monopolizing icon, today we have right of center news outlets like FoxNews, and venues like radio for right wing voices to speak and be heard.

    INTELLECTUAL DIVERSITY (THE ONLY DIVERSITY THAT MATTERS) IS ONE OF OUR GREATEST CULTURAL TREASURES!!!

  2. This has stuck in my head, though I cannot recall it’s provenance (and for all I know it came from neo-neocon):

    Cronkite was hired at CBS, in part, b/c of his liberal worldview. When Cronkite was being considered for hire, the CBS executive who had to sign off on the decision was told: “he’s one of us.”

  3. I am old enough to remember when Cronkite was thought to be the fount of wisdom. Luckily, we now have a number of alternative voices, so that we can compare and contrast, and one guy can’t have a chokehold on the “Truth.”

    Despite the Michael Jackson-like coverage and sickening, over the top accolades, I believe that lefty Cronkite had much to answer for, because of his false editorializing and reporting–although I am sure he would have denied it as he looked in the mirror each day–about Tet and the Vietnam War, he had the blood of hundreds of thousand of people in Southeast Asia and in the U.S. on his hands.

    Some good, though, has come from his time on this earth and his actions, since we no longer trust such anchormen as we did before.

  4. Greetings:

    Quoting: “mixing opinion and facts in messy attempts to
    influence public opinion rather than inform.”

    Not to nitpick, but I would add “emotionalizing” (in way Mr. Cronkite could never be accused of) the content of their broadcasts. It has gotten to the point where I would believe that they have acting classes in today’s Journalism Schools. My best example would be Mr. Gibson of ABC with his performance in interviewing Governor Palin during last year’s presidential campaign.

  5. Mr. Cronkite is the perfect example of the road to hell being paved with good intentions. A good man who was responsible for some bad things.

    The standards of journalism have dropped so far that the old media is dying. The chokehold on the public’s ability to be informed created the vacuum for the vastly increased diversity of sources now available. Cronkite’s legacy has many different aspects to it, including much destruction that is overlooked. The law of unintended consequences never seems to be successfully repealed.

  6. Cronkite and Vietnam1

    … today we have right of center news outlets like FoxNews, and venues like radio for right wing voices to speak and be heard.

    Make that news outlet, in the singular. FoxNews is the only major news source on television that is not Progressive-oriented. CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS and CBP are all Lefty. Together they dwarf Fox.

    The right wing radio voices are important, to be sure, but they specialize in catering to folks who are already on the Right because that’s where the ratings are. They are not very adept at gaining converts to the cause — which is needed as never before at the present. Many of them are too extreme in content or style to be palatable to the general population.

    Of the major newspapers whose circulation is over or near a million, all are lefty except for WSJ and the New York Post. The Chicago tribune, which used to be centrist, endorsed Obama for President.

    The news magazines present a slightly more encouraging picture but some who used to be centrist, like the New Republic and Time, turned Lefty some time ago.

    Crossover sites on the Web, like this blog, which present the other side in a measured, un-hysterical style, may do more to give the message a wider distribution than conservative talk radio.

    The MSM controls opinion. Those of us who seek out the other side are a distinct minority. Most of the public view television, read newspapers and may occasionally read a magazine to get their news. Garbage in, garbage out. The wonder is that as many voted for McCain as did in the last election.

    … he[Cronkite] had the blood of hundreds of thousand of people in Southeast Asia and in the U.S. on his hands.

    Yes, yes and yes again. He was an important man and got miffed because he didn’t get the perks he expected — and South Vietnam went down the drain without a backward glance as a result. But why so little regret? Well, when you make a decision that results in a truly terrible result perhaps it is simply too horrible to contemplate. Maybe you have to rationalize in order to keep that enormous guilt at bay.

    I have a theory also that the old guard felt the hot breath of youth breathing down their neck. I believe this cut across all the opinion making professions. They wanted to be young, to be “with it,” to be “now,” to be “happening,” to be a part of the youth movement that first arose during the sixties and the youth was definitely anti-Vietnam. A sad and silly episode in our cultural history that is still playing out.

  7. Cronkite and whoever actually wrote his words completely misrepresented the situation in Vietnam at the time of the Tet Offensive. They reported a decisive military victory for the Communists wheras in reality it was a military disaster for them. Cronkite turned the military defeat into a propaganda victory for the North Vietnamese. Whether he did that deliberately or not, he was in the vanguard of the liberal “blame America first” crowd.

  8. to tell a conflicted people a higher truth

    “A higher truth”, i.e., a lie. There is only one truth. Appealing to some vaporous “higher” standard is simply verbal cologne to excuse prevarication.

  9. I now have a much less sanguine view of Cronkite: he was of an ilk with Dan Rather, but had the good fortune to retire before the Internet. Apart from that, I suspect the two were much of a muchness.

    To this point, note Rather’s reaction to being caught out: not shame, but indignation, that his version was not taken as read. My inference: he and his comrades had long engaged in similar behavior, and did not expect to be held accountable either then or now.

  10. Cronkite, wonderful voice of news — especially the Space Program.

    Mercury, Gemini, Apollo — all with Cronkite’s voice; my 60’s childhood.

    Cronkite, uncle to the Killing Fields.

    A nation can choose to fight a war, or to stop fighting and lose. One cannot choose to win — one wins ONLY when the opponent, or enemy, stops fighting.

    Cronkite helped the anti-capitalist commies win in Vietnam and Cambodia. And the Left in general has still NOT been called on their support for commie victory.

  11. Cronkite has the blood of 800,000 South Vietnamese on his hands.

    Colonel Bui Tin, on the North Vietnamese general staff, was interviewed in 1995 about how the Communists won the war. Here’s what he said–

    Question: How did Hanoi intend to defeat the Americans?

    Answer: By fighting a long war which would break their will to help South Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh said,
    “We don’t need to win military victories, we only need to hit them until they give up and get out.”

    Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi’s victory?

    A: It was essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement.

    Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses.

    We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.

    Q: Did the Politburo pay attention to these visits?

    A: Keenly.

    Q: Why?

    A: Those people represented the conscience of America. The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor.

    America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.

    Q: How could the Americans have won the war?

    A: Cut the Ho Chi Minh trail inside Laos. If Johnson had granted [Gen. William] Westmoreland’s requests to enter Laos and block the Ho Chi Minh trail, Hanoi could not have won the war.

    And Walter Cronkite weighed in on the Communists’ side when he pronounced the Tet Offensive, which was actually a military victory for America, a defeat.

    Thus, the blood our men spilled was wasted, and the Communists’ victory enabled, and their subsequent bloodbath and tyranny.

    But, hey, Uncle Walter was such a nice man.

    Source:
    http://www.viet-myths.net/BuiTin.htm

  12. Cronkite has the blood of 800,000 South Vietnamese on his hands.

    Colonel Bui Tin, on the North Vietnamese general staff, was interviewed in 1995 about how the Communists won the war. Here’s what he said–

    Question: How did Hanoi intend to defeat the Americans?

    Answer: By fighting a long war which would break their will to help South Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh said,
    “We don’t need to win military victories, we only need to hit them until they give up and get out.”

    Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi’s victory?

    A: It was essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement.

    Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses.

    We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.

    Q: Did the Politburo pay attention to these visits?

    A: Keenly.

    Q: Why?

    A: Those people represented the conscience of America. The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor.

    America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.

    Q: How could the Americans have won the war?

    A: Cut the Ho Chi Minh trail inside Laos. If Johnson had granted [Gen. William] Westmoreland’s requests to enter Laos and block the Ho Chi Minh trail, Hanoi could not have won the war.

    And Walter Cronkite weighed in on the Communists’ side when he pronounced the Tet Offensive, which was actually a military victory for America, a defeat.

    Thus, the blood our men spilled was wasted, and the Communists’ victory enabled, and their subsequent bloodbath and tyranny.

    But, hey, Uncle Walter was such a nice man.

  13. I apologize for the double post! didn’t think the top one, with link, had gone through.

  14. I apologize for the double post! didn’t think the top one, with link, had gone through.

    Done it myself, many times. It was a good comment.

  15. To judge from Sorley and Nagl, Cronkite’s summary was not unreasonable.

    And if the pentagon had been more trustworthy before 1968, it might have been more trusted afterwards.

  16. ad: To judge from Sorley (whose book I have read) Cronkite’s conclusions were unreasonable. Sorley’s book about Vietnam is dedicated to showing that the war was quite “winnable” and in fact was on its way to being won with the change of strategy and tactics represented under Creighton Abrams. Abrams became head of the operations in June of 1968, just a few months after Cronkite made his famous speech. Therefore, Cronkite’s speech would be very analogous to those people who spoke out in opposition to the surge because they felt the Iraq War was lost already, when it was not (Harry Reid ad Barack Obama come to mind).

    Furthermore, Cronkite was completely wrong about Tet, which was the proximate cause of his broadcast.

  17. But the war was NOT on its way to being won when Cronkite made his famous speech a few months before the change of strategy and tactics made by General Abrams.

    And the Army could not plausibly claim to have repudiated Westmorelands methods after he left because it had made him its chief of staff.

    So why would anyone in Washington believe that things had changed? The only people who might have known had already lost their credibility.

  18. ad: Did you read what I wrote you in the comments section? And did you also pay attention to the Part II’s points about what Cronkite said about Tet even if it turned out that we learned in the next few months that Tet had represented the Communists’ last gasp? (see Part II for a full explanation).

    Once again, I will state that Conkrite showed a lack of imagination and knowledge of military affairs. To declare we could not win, even if we changed strategy and/or tactics, was premature. It was just the same as the people (Reid, Obama, et. al) who declared the surge could not succeed, and that we had already lost the Iraq War, prior to the implementation of the surge.

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  20. America went off the rails following the Kennedy Assassination. Reagan brought things back for a while but the hopeful positive days when I was growing up have gone forever. Oh Well

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