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  1. Baklava: I fixed it before I saw your comment.

    Yep, I’m going to blame those keys. Although I wish Obama would rail a bit more at the Iranian thugs.

  2. This excellent peice from Will Collier.

    Rather than offering any crumbs of support to the Iranians who are literally putting their lives on the line for their own freedom, Barack Obama could only manage “deep concerns.” In Obamaland, it’s not as important to offer even moral support to people trying to shake off the yoke of a barbaric dictatorship as it is to not appear to be “meddling.”

    This all sounds quite familiar, and everyone over 30 has seen it before. Did somebody replace the “community activist” with a self-righteous peanut farmer while we weren’t looking?

    …I’ve met a lot of Eastern Europeans who have pictures of Ronald Reagan on their mantles. They never forgot the way he stood up for them, in public, against the commissars. Iran’s population is going to run off the mullahs one of these years, hopefully this year. When that happens, what do you want them to remember, that we were supporting them, or worrying about what their oppressors would think about it?

  3. Here’s a real statement from a real president.

    “The Polish nation, speaking through Solidarity, has provided one of the brightest, bravest moments of modern history. The people of Poland are giving us an imperishable example of courage and devotion to the values of freedom in the face of relentless opposition. Left to themselves, the Polish people would enjoy a new birth of freedom. But there are those who oppose the idea of freedom, who are intolerant of national independence, and hostile to the European values of democracy and the rule of law.

    “Two Decembers ago, freedom was lost in Afghanistan; this Christmas, it’s at stake in Poland. But the torch of liberty is hot. It warms those who hold it high. It burns those who try to extinguish it.”

    –Ronald Reagan, December 1981

    Today? Send in the clowns.

  4. I wonder if the Bill and Hill crowd / cohort think they can control the race, class, gender, and orientation mob they’ve fostered for 40 years…. Such a rush to remake the US so they can take power. Might not be much left to take over without the old attitudes that wouldn’t allow them to ‘rule’…

  5. Neo,

    Your comments / questions toward the end of your piece bought to mind, once again, Whittaker Chamber’s book – “Witness”. He recounts how the “fellow travelers” would laugh at the lawyers (from the precursor of the ACLU) who worked so diligently on behalf of the communists. They talked of how the lawyers and those like them would be the first to be executed when the communists took over.

  6. dane, that would just show that some good can come out of even the worst things.

  7. Obama has positioned himself as the un-Bush.
    Like 7up was the Un-Cola (because it had lithium in it)?

    This isn’t just about Obama, either. It’s about an entire point of view widely held by those on the liberal side of things

    I cut it off at that point because this problem is ideological in that people are trying to apply the unfalsifiable rules of the ideologies description of the world’s empirical operating facts and because these facts and premises are wrong, they are completely ineffectual. .

    They are not just misunderstanding the Mullahs, they misunderstand fundamentals about themselves, reality, social rules, world view, and on and on… and often all of this is grounded in a foundation of ignorance and a self confidence that refuses to let them admit what they don’t know, and then go out and find out the empirical facts.

    That this entire operative world view seeps in to ever crack of our lives and effects how we behave even in private. Or didn’t you notice your mention of “oppressive” in your question below? Wouldn’t every tool be more apropos?

    The second is more of a question: is it sometimes acceptable (or perhaps even necessary) to use greater ruthlessness, to be willing to use oppressive tools against an enemy that–if successful–would not hesitate to abolish all the civil liberties and the advances for which you are fighting?

    The short answer YES if you live in the real world, NO if you’re pretending its now utopia because we can hold back the real world and pretend.

    Remember we all grow up in a world where there is a moral asymmetry fed us in favor of goodness in a majority of our stories and vignettes on television and in literature. Does the real world share that asymmetry?

    So when you’re thinking about clashes of two moralities, we confuse our life lessons with the constant message that good always triumphs over evil (without ever actually sinking to what evil does). We talk about an obviously in bed media all the time, so what does it mean to our world views if we believe that good always comes to the gun fight with a toothpick? (and believes it will triumph)

    Somewhere we got the idea that we should make the fight fair and balanced. What does that accomplish, and who does that really favor? (And why does the left also push it as moral?) Well the fact that we should make a fight fair and balanced is painted as moral, but its actually most immoral in many ways our forefathers clearly saw (as their premises weren’t poisoned)

    To meet fairly and try to match things moves ALL wars conflicts and problems into stalemate and attrition. (such long drawn out things, when they can be ended real quick undermines free states and their short tolerance for bs, and favors despotic under capable states)

    Before we can even get into the discussion that you’re positing we really have to question which one of the meta premises we have internalized are valid or invalid that we are going to use to make our decision. Its GIGO otherwise.

    Whats funny is that so much of the old literature and art related to setting a foundation that would lead to clear understanding here.

    Does one stand up for what one believes in? To what extreme end?
    Is there a predefined breaking point in defending your beliefs?

    One generation ago we understood where your question touched

    If you have a solid answer to those points, then you would understand that all conflicts actually do boil down to beliefs and how far you support them (because they are how you exist in reality).

    If you said to me that one should always fight to the end for civil liberties and freedom to the very end… give me liberty or give me death…

    Then when faced with the loss of such liberties do you give up when the going gets too tough and the other side gets nasty?

    It has nothing to do with acceptable or moral or any of that…

    Its got to do with will you let someone else force you to see a different reality or at least live a life like you pretend you do? Do you have a point where others can impose their desires on you, and you will accept that and not respond?

    These are the big questions of so much old literature, and the examples of the catholic saints and other great western individuals. This is why religion and such is so dangerous to such states, as certain religions give one an out to not giving in. it is also why western literature with hits myriad examples of individuals who would rather die than give up the freedom to define their lives.

  8. Iran is heading now to the regime collapse and popular insurrection, which will be folowed by bloody civil war of Russian proportions. Manichean mindset and eschatological utopism seem to be inherent traits of Arian races, irrespective of religious or cultural background, and always ressurect and trump everything else when civilization collapses. Clergy already lost the whole generation younger 30, which now is 70% of population. It is impossible for regime to survive this challenge.

  9. The fate of Bakhtiar and his regime is like the fate of Kerensky and his Interim Government, or Danton in French revolution. When primary instincts of crazy mobs are on the march, only ruthless martial law can save the day, as Pinochet and Franco were wise enough to understand.

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