Living off the fat of the land
It’s come to this, I’m afraid. Social engineering against obesity in England has reached new heights (depths?):
In Manchester, Britain’s third largest city with half a million people, residents will begin carrying electronic tracking tags that log how far they run or cycle each day. The tag will even help track how many calories residents burn. Those who hit the running trail every morning will be rewarded with coupons at stores and even days off work.
Although this new program may sound a bit Orwellian, in Manchester and eight other towns throughout England the British government is banking on it to help rein in the nation’s obesity problem.
They’ve got their literary references wrong, I think. The only Orwellian part is the technology; the rest is straight out of Brave New World.
If the program is successful it will be expanded, so that the waistlines of Britain can be contracted. This seems to encroach on liberty, although supporters will no doubt argue that it’s voluntary and only positive reinforcement is used.
But I am wary of government getting so heavily into the weight-reduction business. Would that government itself would go on a diet.
Oh brave new world that has such people in it.
I am constantly amazed at how much dreck Brits now eat from their government.
Constant surveillance when out of doors presages indoor surveillance just around the corner.
And now willingly (I guess) carrying around items that report activity to government?
Once you can get your population to give up their guns you can get them to do anything.
Okay, so the government is going to encourage people who hate to exercise to do so by rewarding them with coupons for sportswear and pool time? Oh, yeah, that would do it for me.
Plus, of course, the whole intrusive thing. Those little tags sound like EZ-Pass for people. And – most interesting to me – how is the government going to measure success? By how many people sign up? By how many people swipe in parks and buy fruit (and if so for how long)? Or by how many people actually lose weight (and is so for how long)? (I have this vision of the government weighting the whole city on one of those truck scales.)
If this kind of story interests – or horrifies – you, Junkfood Science keeps a rather jaundiced eye on such initiatives.
The chances are it will break down on first effort. Everything the government puts into place does. The obvious answer is to reintroduce games in schools and tell kids to play outside rather than watch TV or play electronic games. Oh, by the way, when did Manchester become third largest city in Britain? It was always Birmingham.
The guns issue is irrelevant. Nobody has carried guns here since the First World War. (That’s 1914 – 1918) I understand quite a few places in America bans guns as well, despite the Second Amendment. Oh and we have never elected anyone like Barack Obama either. So enough already with this Brit-bashing.
What can you say? The population has been conditioned over generations now to accept ever more government intrusion into their lives without complaint. The inevitable course of socialism. Couple that with the dumbing down of the population and we have a vision of one of our possible futures.
This will not work because no amount of exercise can cancel excessive food consumption which will certainly result from this exercise. Just two slices of bread and butter gives you as much calories as burned out in ten miles stroll. Eat less, stop eating when you are still somewhat hungry – there is no way around it if you want be slim.
Helen, it is not Brit bashing. Britain as we knew it no longer exists. It is bashing the submissive slaves who were once a free and justifiably proud people. It is nostalgia for what Britain once was and is no more. I hope Americans can resist the same urge. I am not optimistic.
Excuse me for out of topic here, but talking about Britt’s, let read this Britt’s lady she married to the terrorists leader Son and seeking him for better place for asylum to live with terrorist leader’s Son and enjoying the money from terrorist resources!!
a sergey, internal passports will hande that as people eat at more efficient centralized dining halls.
i distinctly remember that being tried someplace.
when the state is in charge of health they can only mitigate health by completely controlling behavior. how else can they save money when they are now responsible for the consequences of your actions
“So enough already with this Brit-bashing.”
Not bashing; grieving. Believe it or not, the UK is the American population’s favorite other country (I doubt the reverse is true!).
We see the increasing, ineluctable government encroachment into the lives of a once-free people, and we grieve. We’re facing the same thing: being Gullivered into impotence by myriad restrictive laws.
oh, forgot, how long before someone puts it on their dog and lets the dog out in the yard to collect points? or hooks it up to a motor?
How long before criminals use it to track people they are targeting and stalking while the government puts lawsuits against citizens complaining?
And here I thought Europe loves attacking America as the obese nation. But it looks like they should have looked towards their own instead of projecting their problems unto us and thinking it would solve anything.
I would sign up for such a program just so I could monkeywrench it. “Oops, my monitor broke. Can I have a new one? Please help me stay fit.” “Oops, it broke again.” “And again. Sorry!”
When it comes to the States, I will be making the gov’t pay, for sure!
1) “Social engineering against obesity in England has reached new heights (depths?)” Widths, I think.
2) I see Artfldgr is going where I am. Step One: Train your dog to fetch. Step Two: Play fetch with the dog. Easier still, teach the dog to walk on a treadmill. The problem: There are at least two Hadiths that have been interpreted to state one may not own a dog as a pet (although it’s okay to have one for hunting). At the rate they’re going, I doubt Brits will be permitted to have pet dogs much longer….
Today I was reading a Robert Woods Johnson Foundation report of a study ($18 million) that recommends recess for children to combat obesity! Imagine that!
I recall a quote from Shaw’s Don Juan in Hell section of Man and Superman:
The Devil: “Of course, the English will never be slaves: they are free to do whatever the government and public opinion lets them do.”
Or words to that effect…
Full Disclosure: I once read the part of The Devil for a reading of Don Juan in Hell.
Not to worry, here in The Peoples Republic of North America, since once food is rationed wisely and effectively, in concert with adequate participation in community service work, the waistlines will recede beautifully. We’ll all be as desirably thin as the Great Organizer himself. Additionally, since another byproduct of excessive food consumption is (in addition to unhealthy fat storage) excessive production of carbon dioxide, we should all be eager to participate in the coming Ten Year Plan to do our individual parts to save the planet from global warming. Enough of your whining, do your patriotic duty! In any case, the new domestic security agency will be able to track, control and protect you from yourself and the resisting and whining malcontents who abound on this blog. Incidentally, where’s a troll, why isn’t the fairness doctrine being enforced here? After all, shouldn’t change start at the waistline? That will get their attention, Uncle Joe knew what he was doing when he instituted change in the Ukraine so many decades ago…
A final thought for the evening… Soylent Green, the community and environmental organizer’s optimum solution to planet crowding and carbon footprint erosion. Soylent Green, the ultimate example of “Redistribution” and demonstration of dedicated patriotic duty. Enjoy the film, the fresh air, and your last crystal glass of fine whine…
“So enough already with this Brit-bashing.”
“Not bashing; grieving.”
Exactly!!
Yes, we’re sad, not angry.
I wander thro’ each charter’d street,
Near where the charter’d Thames does flow,
And mark in every face I meet
Marks of weakness, marks of woe.
In every cry of every Man,
In every Infant’s cry of fear,
In every voice, in every ban,
The mind-forg’d manacles I hear.
How the chimney-sweeper’s cry
Every black’ning church appals;
And the hapless soldier’s sigh
Runs in blood down palace walls.
But most thro’ midnight streets I hear
How the youthful harlot’s curse
Blasts the new-born infant’s tear,
And blights with plagues the marriage hearse.
The poem is London by William Blake.
The only poems i really like are the poems I can understand, Neo, with the first pass through ; )
Pity would be no more
If we did not make somebody poor;
And Mercy no more could be
If all were as happy as we.
And mutual fear brings peace,
Till the selfish loves increase;
Then Cruelty knits a snare,
And spreads his baits with care.
3ad He sits down with holy fears,
And waters the ground with tears;
Then Humility takes its root
Underneath his foot.
Soon spreads the dismal shade
Of Mystery over his head;
And the caterpillar and fly
Feed on the Mystery.
And it bears the fruit of Deceit,
Ruddy and sweet to eat;
And the raven his nest has made
In its thickest shade.
The Gods of the earth and sea
Sought thro’ Nature to find this tree;
But their search was all in vain:
There grows one in the Human brain.
**********
Britain will all be like this soon. And the academics of America already are.
********
My mother groan’d, my father wept,
Into the dangerous world I leapt;
Helpless, naked, piping loud,
Like a fiend hid in a cloud.
Struggling in my father’s hands,
Striving against my swaddling-bands,
Bound and weary, I thought best
To sulk upon my mother’s breast.
Human Abstract and Infant Sorrow, respectively, by William Blake.
Days off at work? Heavens above, nobody tell Obama about this or he’ll be all over it! The liberal illuminati would be orgastically thrilled. I hope they’re too busy basking in the celebratory aura to notice what a few cities in Britain are doing…
I’m not sure what’s so terrible about this program — it’s an incentive rewards program, and is entirely voluntary. What’s the big deal?
Days off of work?
Ok – so does that mean they pay your salary for the day or are they going to force employers to give you more vacation? My guess is the latter.
And even then one says this is voluntary – things like this are voluntary in the sense that a 5000% tax on something means you can still purchase it. In reality not so and only a certain type of person (and unfortunately this crosses all party/group lines I know of) congratulates themselves on the little bit of mental masturbation. Not to mention the level of intrusion and abuse that will come of it.
As someone above me said – it isn’t so much Brit Bashing as much as a sad commentary on how far many (most?) in the western worlds will go. We have the highest standard of living the world has ever seen – further than even 75 years ago people imagined in wild tales of fantasy. Yet we feel like we are the most downtrodden people ever and seek to make our lives by – well – plodding on ourselves until we *are* the most downtrodden.
You know, I was watching The Matrix a short while ago again and noted the part where Agent Smith is talking about the first matrix being “too perfect” and we couldn’t deal with it. While not really what they meant (they were off on another rant that I really do not agree with, but the movie is still quite good IMO) I find this type of thinking to be a good example of it. A large group of people need to be *unhappy* for some reason – for the the first time in history food is plentiful enough that even the very poor of our societies can totally 100% choose their level of eating and what do we do? Moan and complain even more than when they starved to death.
I can assure you that if we were all in absolute perfect health there would be a crisis in that too to get all unhappy and worked up about. It would also be the same people – they have a need to protest, be unhappy, and tell others what to do and the only thing that will ever change is what/how they achieve that.
The rest of us mostly just are happy/content and do not try and tell others what to do. I just wish more were like the people where I live (mountains of East Tennessee) and get riled up when someone try’s to make you do something instead of shrug their shoulders and let it happen.
This is pertinent: Yuri Bezmenov, a high-level KGB defector to America, Explains It All for You.
How the Soviet Union subverted America and “demoralized” Americans.
It’s chilling. And infuriating: listening to this man, you can see that he’s describing exactly what has happened to our Information Complex, and how intractable the implanted memes are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVZ4Lkm6JQw
He says that Andropov and Kruschev would have been astounded at their own success: “now the Americans are brainwashing other Americans.” And once they’ve been demoralized, he says, “facts, logic, rational argument — they have no effect. I could shower you with facts and proof all day long, and it would make no difference.”
Damn, that’s certainly true of the Chattering Classes. My hope is that the rot isn’t too deep in the citizenry at large.
Beverly, did you notice that a few years back all the English videos of this started being taken off? Leaving us only the “Spanish subtitled” ones?
No, this is the first time I’ve seen them. But the increasing popularity of the Memory Hole is frightening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvcZiNt6ypI
That’ll give you that specific segment on demoralization Beverly was referring to.
http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/soviet-propagandasoviet-propaganda/
I posted about them a year or so ago, came back a few days later, and it was gone. Went and got 5 embedded links to the videos and came back 6 months and they were gone too.
Yeah.
http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/k66PVZrqEvi5kblBt1
Daily motion links goes to a 15 minute segment. More convenient than loading the youtube vids one by one.
My bad, weird formating issue when I copied it.
Link
Social engineering against obesity exists in American schools. At the middle school where my wife teaches, the custom of bringing treats to class to share with other students has been banned in the name of preventing childhood obesity. Of course, the students no longer have recess of any sort to run off what calories they do consume or to take care of their juvenile restlessness. This is in Minnesota, one of the states in thrall to Lord Obama. By the way, the nickname for the school’s sports teams used to be The Norseman, but in keeping with our PC cultural practice of not using ethnic groups as mascots this was changed to The Cougars. Thank heavens all those descendants of the Vikings will have their self esteem protected!
Do they teach in Britain schools what cardinal sins are? I mean, gluttony, sloth and so on? If you remember just these two, your chances became obese are really diminished. It seems, Church made better propaganda effort to prevent obesity than social engineers.
Sergey,
the churchs purpose in propaganda was better people, the states purpose in propaganda is crippled people. that in itself explains it all.
I think it’s okay to go with the Utopian flow for now, and be critical at the same time, it’s the only way criticism is going to survive. Having financial intensives, from the government, to exercise more is tempting.
Having financial incentives from the government to read less, to research less, to think less, to question authority less, to question dogma less, that’s a different story — and dangerously we already have a model for this, the church.
“Artfldgr, the churchs purpose in propaganda was better people, the states purpose in propaganda is crippled people. that in itself explains it all.”
Artfldrg, the churches purpose in propaganda, period, explains it all — the church is the source of, and provides the template for, totalitarianism; the celestial dictator, the archipelago Hell, and the apparatchik devotees who claim to know the mind of giving us dogmas of how to shave off the foreskin of little boys, female genital cutting, what we should eat, whom we should have sex with and in what position, and why do they claim to know the mind of god? Because it gives them power over the only world that really exist, the material world, but they are many who understand how to make the distinction, and are keen to this delusional and dangerous behavior (which can manifest in the religious or the secular magesteria) after all we know that Stalin, with an alliance with the murderous half of the Russian orthodox church, modeled the USSR on the precepts of the church as already stated; celestial dictator becomes earthy dictator, hell becomes death, exile, or labor camp, heresy hunts become show trials, miracles become the PROPAGANDA of astonishing multiple one-season crop harvest, the unbeliever becomes the free marketeer.
Speaking of propaganda, it’s really disgusting to see a site called “neo-neocon” pandering to so many obvious traditional conservatives. Neo-conservatism and Traditional Conservatism are two different, and often incompatible, worlds — except on matters of defense of western secularism and liberalism, which Traditional Conservatism does by default of shared proximity rather than from the heart — which is why the war went to well in Iraq as opposed to rebuilding and peace keeping, the latter is simply not in the heart of traditional conservatist.
Church made better propaganda effort to prevent obesity than social engineers. yes but it’s all predicated on a grand delusion, and people are becoming to sophisticated to accept , what we already innately know, to some imaginary authority, which, by the way, if you are a real and sincere follower of the scripture, rejects scientific challenges to paranoid ancient dogma.
nyomythus,
why is reality reality? why does it exist at all?
since your so smart.
Artfldgr, I would not presume to know the answer your question, your question is for those who claim to know the mind of god, I say ‘god’ because that’s what they call it. The answer of the theist is that god is the creator of reality. This authority cannot be proven, but can be disproved by using REASONable evidence — but the existence or non-existence of a god is not about reason, science, or evidence, it’s about faith, by using faith some people say they know the existence of and the mind of god. This gives some people enormous power over other people in the only would that there is, the real world, the material world, the only one we can presume to know of is the one we sense and share with others, Since I won’t take the notion of a benevolent, personal deity who intervenes in my life and suspends reality or the Laws of Physics in my favor, all I can say is, “I don’t know”.
Any well-ordered world-view looks like a paranoid delusion to somebody who do not accept it, and reality to those who accept. “Para Noia” is a Greek for “false knowledge”. But there are light years between Christianity and Judaism, on one hand, and everything else, on the other, so to lump all religions together is a grave mistake. Totalitarism existed long before advent of Christianity, which was the greatest liberation force in history – simply by declaring personalism and autonomy of conscience which does not obey any earthy institution, state included; this point was the main impulse of Reformation, which resurrected freedom of conscience almost lost due to abuses of Catholic church. Really great scientists, like the leading contemporary mathematician Roger Penrose and leading contemporary physicist Steven Hawking, are theists.
The only difference of neo-conservatism and paleo-conservatism is rejection by first of isolationism and amoral “realism” in foreign policy. Excesses of neo-conservatism, such as misguided promotion of democracy where it does not belong, is better to label “compassionate conservatism” of Bush invention, which hardly is conservatism at all, more a unprincipled concession to liberal left.
Totalitarism existed long before advent of Christianity, which was the greatest liberation force in history – simply by declaring personalism and autonomy of conscience which does not obey any earthy institution, state
Yes, Christianity was a liberating force, and it should be commended for that, but it was only a liberating force during the ages before the Enlightenment, we can do better — dogmatize wisdom and knowledge at any one instance in history — by that method then Obama really is the second coming (haha). But seriously on that notion why ‘stop’ with earthy authority, earthy authorities do so poorly because they have to contend with imagined authorities, imagined authorities that, again, tell us what to eat, who to have sex with and in what position, who are our enemies, what we can do with non-believers, what the origins of life are, what happens after death, when we should fast and meditate, how much to shave off of the genitalia of a baby boy or girl. What amount of Reason that there is in religion is conversely diminished by superstition and false wisdom and knowledge — and this includes Christianity because even though it was once, a liberating force; it is nevertheless bound in faith, examples? The earth is flat was a dogma of religion, the earth is the center of the universe was a dogma of religion, disease and natural disaster was a dogma of religion. Today we know better and today we know we can do better, reason, logic, scientific endeavor unbound from the dogmas of religion demonstrates that we can do better, the chaos of the world can only be attribute to reason and secularisms struggle with faith — if you have faith then also have the dignity to take it for what it is; faith, this “Para Noia” Grecian term for “false knowledge” could not be better demonstrated than by the so-called faithful using science and reason to defend faith, it’s oxymoronic, it’s an opposite, it’s paranoia.
more a unprincipled concession to liberal left. Without liberalism, America would have never existed … without which what a hellish world it would be, our secular constitution tolerates faith not the other way around, so faith should remember who it is trying to bully and talk down to.
Steven Hawking maybe something of a deist but he’s not a theist … I just don’t see him as being so stupid to actually believe there is a personal and benevolent god who suspends the Laws of Physics; deist maybe, theist no way.
Neomithus, what a childish nonsense you repeat – all this drivel I heard thousand times in university at lectures on so-called “scientific atheism”! Religion never “tell” you what to do in sense of coercion – it only explain you what is wrong and what is right. It has no coercion power. You can follow these recommendations or neglect them – for your peril. Astronomy never was a part of religious doctrine, it was only common view which Church adopt as all other common knowledge; when these views changed, Church also jettissoned them without any damage to what really was a doctrine – how human soul and supernatural world is organized. What I call an unprincipled concession is not liberal values, but “tabula rasa” template – that human nature is unlimitedly malleable and can be changed in few years, or that all cultures are on the same stage of historical development, so we can bring ballot box to cannibals and make democrats from them. In reality, this transition to modernity needs so profound changes in mentality of barbarians, that it can take centuries to achieve (on condition that they are baptized first).
*snicker* Artfldgr, you’ve flushed out another humorless one.
I think that what neomythis doesnt understand is that it takes as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be a believer. 🙂
“We can get some further light on the mind of Stephen Hawking, if not of God, from his later book Black Holes and Baby Universes. There, in his interview for Desert Island Discs, he said that after all his theoretical work “You still have the question: why does the universe bother to exist? If you like, you can define God to be the answer to that question” (p. 159).”
Faith in a great, fat, obese nothingness is truly the most weird form of religion I ever encountered. But this choice is as free as any other and just so unenforceable. You can drive a horse to water, but you can not make it drink.
Religion never “tell” you what to do in sense of coercion…
…But this choice is as free as any other and just so unenforceable.
And if we choose not to believe, then we can wallow in hell, while the believer is raptured away? This isn’t coercion? To lie to little children, to teach this vile, immoral fairy tale as a certainty of reality? Sergy, your notion of ‘childish drivel’ was well to mention but it was misplaced, the holy scriptures were written by emotional immature elderly old men in a continuation to control others in the only world there really is, by telling horrible fairy tales to children and holding eternal doom over them in order to control them, and this isn’t coercion? Of course it is — of course it is. Such a teaching certainly is not the wishes of a benevolent being, which is one part of a REASONable evidence that god does not exist. To require both love and fear from the faithful is not a moral teaching; so god is immoral, or perhaps doesn’t exist at all. Nevertheless, astounding as it is, yes, Christianity was a step up from what came before it; Christianity offered revolutionary new ways of thinking, challenging the prevailing dogmas, and was offered not to one people but to anyone, ethnic pluralism, for all the wrong reasons nevertheless, and to our fortune and fate goes, finds a springboard into the ages to come, the corollary of this is intellectual pluralism, some of the early conflicts with Christianity was that it was too progressive for its time, universal truth and prehistoric mysticism to this day tear at the seams of faith
From the viewpoint of a socialist or other collectivist, the anti-obesity campaign makes perfect sense: performing routine maintenance on your factors of production.
I predict a new industry will arise. Athletes training for, e.g., marathons, will take dozens of other people’s tracking devices along on their training runs. At five or ten quid a throw, it could be pretty lucrative!
See? There are free market aspects.
My answer to the SOCIALIST DOGS!
Bacon Mayonnaise
Yield About 1/2 cup and a pissed off Cardiologist.
Ingredients
– 1 egg yolk
– 3/4 teaspoon Dijon mustard
– 1 teaspoon freshly squeezed lemon juice
– Sea salt and freshly ground pepper
– 1/2 cup liquid bacon fat
Method
– Combine the egg yolk, mustard and lemon juice in the small bowl of a food processor or in a blender and process to mix. Season with salt and pepper.
– Have the bacon fat liquid, but not hot. With the machine running, gradually the bacon fat until the mixture starts to stiffen and emulsify, about 2 minutes. Once it starts to emulsify, you can add the fat more quickly. If the mayonnaise is too thick, just blend in 1 teaspoon of boiling water to thin it. Taste and adjust the seasoning.
I made this yesterday and went to the firing range this afternoon. After I clean Ms. boom thingie, I’m going to fix me a nice big BLT!
The sheep say Baaama Baama.
A thousand pardons Neo.
gm
galensmark that was refreshingly random 😀
I get it now; nyomythus=A Rational Human from Dr. Sanity’s site. I finally recognized the same condescention regarding religion or their fascist atheism.
I don’t condensed because argue principles not people, I’m not a fascist (alliance between lumpen and oligarchy looking for a scape goat and goose-stepping around the global on an anti-realist, pseudo-science, corporate juggernaut, racist agenda? …not me), and I rarely rarely rarely post on Dr. Sanity’s site — so wrong person.
Oops, my bad. Just seemed to be the same rabid atheism as ARH. So now I’ll just have to feel sorry for both of you.
Speaking of propaganda, it’s really disgusting to see a site called “neo-neocon” pandering to so many obvious traditional conservatives.
There goes Nyo’s bias, prejudice, and bigotry against religion once again.
“And if we choose not to believe, then we can wallow in hell, while the believer is raptured away?”
If you choose not to believe, you have nothing to fear all your earthly life – until you got to hell, of course. And, of course, to control children behavior is a necessity, it is called education, and fear of punishment (here and in afterlife) is indispensable part of it. Many nursery rhymes and fairy tales, even lullabies, are scary, and this is intentional: fearless persons are dangerous sociopaths, children must be accustomed to fear and aquire skills to deal with it.
It’s already begun. First Target? Huntington, WV.
“Liberalism is nothing more than a pose by those afraid of envy… it is not a political ideology or set of beliefs. It is an envy-deflection device, a psychological strategy to avoid being envied. It is the politicalization of envy-appeasement.”
If I decide not to cooperate with god’s edict, then I’m condemned to die; apply this to the Soviet Show Trials and you’ll see a sliver of how secular totalitarianism has borrowed the template of religion; yes, evil can manifest with the faithless and the faithful — but with secular evil you know who is evil and you know who is good — only with religion can good people to evil things (I was reminded of this watching the anniversary of Jonestown last night). Vicarious redemption is not a moral teaching, to scapegoat your responsibility onto a human sacrifice is a savage rite that infects us today from the infancy of humanity, and we know that we can do better than this. It’s immoral, and wrong to teach children with fear to add the threat of eternal separation from family and eternal torture for something they already innately know, after all, children, more than anyone, see through the weirdness that religion ask of us, they know it’s not right to steal and they know that it’s good to share and as they grow older they come to know more, they don’t have to be frightened or beaten into submitting to fantasy-belief. It is immoral and a god that would allow it is an immoral god OR…
Artfldgr Says: “Liberalism is nothing more than a pose by those afraid of envy… it is not a political ideology or set of beliefs. It is an envy-deflection device, a psychological strategy to avoid being envied. It is the politicalization of envy-appeasement.”
Well, Art why don’t you move to North Korea? You can praise the great leader from sunrise to sunset and when you die you can transfer this adornment to the celestial dictator and give praise for all eternity, watching your every move, your every thought, and erase every nuance of individualism — I think what we are seeing is what we loathe of the Left is alive and well on the Right. That’s why I make my centrist appeal for Classical Liberalism in the very best of the American tradition.
See what happens when children grow without fear an punishment – both are forbidden by idiotic form of humanism that became legaly enforcable PC dogm in Britain:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/3467939/Public-scared-of-children-who-behave-like-animals—Barnardos-survey.html
When children do not fear their parent’s ire, adults began to fear children.
I agree that’s awful, don’t let them run wild, my child doesn’t — there are forms of healthy fear for bad behavior, like it’s healthy to be afraid of poisonous snakes for example. Good post Sergy.
“secular totalitarianism has borrowed the template of religion”
Of course it has. And it became a horror. Church knew it all the way long. You know the proverb “Devil is a God’ ape”? That is exactly the problem. When you eliminate religion, secularist always try to do the same, only better, and always do it thousand times worse.
“they know it’s not right to steal and they know that it’s good to share”
Some know, some do not. And even those who know often unable to resist temptation without additional repression – fear, shame, pain. There is no such thing as non-repressive culture: every culture IS a set of repressions, taboo, reinforced by fear of punishment, earthly and celestial. Read a beautiful novel of William Golding “Lord Of Flies” The title is said to be a reference to the Hebrew name Beelzebub (בעל זבוב, Ba’ al-zvuv, “god of the fly”, “host of the fly” or literally “Lord of Flies”) about British teenagers becoming feral savages whithout adult oversight. Here is one of the personages reasoning exactly like you – rationalist, whith scientific approach to everything – absolutely without a clue what is happening with his schoolmates. His excuse was that he was only 13 when got killed by his feral comrades.
As for the video — it supports my case.
Neomyth
That’s why I make my centrist appeal for Classical Liberalism in the very best of the American tradition.
you cant even understand the paragraph i posted… though that wouldnt let your false sense of superiority get in the way… nor your total lack of understanding of the political labels.
so now your for minimal government, no socialism but self responsiblity, the resurgence of the heterosexual family, and more..
your a young ass who doesnt know the meanings of many of the terms and things you spout.
you remind me of the tales my uncle told me of the hitler youth… and what my friends tell me of nashi…
neomyth… my family came from stalins regime, hitlers, and stalins again… the other part of my family came also from thsoe regimes. my wifes family survived mao, and suharto. my cousin in law came from cuba.
your a little sh*t, what some very inconsiderate people refer to as a womb turd.
your the product of nihilism, and you think you have all the answers… but you dont, and i know it because your like an epileptic with diarhea, you throw sh*t all over.
my family has already expriences close up the type of government that you want.
EXPERIENCED not IMAGINED, like you..
sergey i would venture has the same information as i do. i know as he hints at subtlties that otehrs seem to gloss over not paying attention to
i konw your type… the type that imagines that they would see a despot coming… but instead side with an ideology whose stated purpose is the creation of a dictatorship.
think of that… you are spending all your time arguing that a political sciecne tract designed to create dictatorships is not going to create a dictatorship. that when it does, its an eccident and failure of what?
and your funky things on the church… you speak of soviet show trials as if you know how they worked. and you speak as if god is equivalent, when the only pujnishment you get from god is AFTER your dead already…
by the way… the church released the records of the inquisition… 3000 people. thats it… and none of the tales from the left were confirmed. totally false and confrimed false many times.
yet the leftists make a big deal out of it, but ignore the starving of women, children and men, in one winter… 7 million of them.
when has the church done that? add ALL the churches things up in one total, and it cant hold a candle to one winter of socialism.
of course thats when the state replaces god.
but you dont get this. you have VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE to know the world by. most of it sheltered.
sergey… your not going to get anwyhere because this usefuil idiot cant even tell teh differnce between types of freedom… under god is limited freedom (as sergey says)… under secularism is primitive freedom (might makes right, end justifies the means)… and state freedom… which is what they use primitive freedom to justify…
basically they unchain you… you lose your morals… you forget how to control yourself. the cyultyure forgets that it cancontrol itself… and so the people then side with imprisoning themselves in a dictatorship for safety.
in other words, the less religion, the less morals the less ethics, the less self control, the more end justified the means… and you end up self justifying your own imprisonment!!!!!
and the way your acting now… your a part of that… which is why you think tormenting people for agitprop is fun. thats sadism. and your state wants you sadistic, becaue then you will not control yourself (like now), you will go where your not welcome to cause trouble… because you see political terrrosm as a valid means to an end.
i know something that you dont know…
and i know that sergey knows it too..
that when things change? the kind of person that they want to get rid of is the outliers. the fringe elements that were trators to their own state, families, culture and people.
they dont see you as a hero… they see you as a gullible traitor… for who else would do what yor doing? who would saw the branch they and everyone sits on for a box of lies from a declared enemy?
Artfldgr, you wouldn’t happen to be the same guy that runs the time cube website, would you?
Your writing styles are just so similar!
Just got back to this thread, thanks for posting Artfldgr, I respect your words however harsh they are, it’s okay.
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