The silence on Iraq is deafening
As predicted, as things have become better and better in Iraq, the MSM has found it to be of little interest anymore.
And the sound of the cricket is heard in the land.
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To the eternal shame of the journalists grown silent. History will not be kind.
To the eternal shame of the journalists grown silent
There was discussion here about journalists if what they reporting goes forward and publish.
What we saw with Iraq war it’s far beyond journalists control as mush as how this war presented and directed from the start.
Although wit all due respect of neo view their is doubt the journalists have really control arm in this as far as US administration don’t like make more noise about Iraq firstly also US public busy with election time and each party use the media to strength/ pick attentions for his goals.
Barack is lying when he says
A true statement would be
After we deposed Saddam’s government, Barack said(quoting from memory):
During the same post-invasion time frame, Barack said this in an interview(quoting from memory)
This comment might more properly belong in the previous “doublespeak” blogpost. It rankles that Barack is allowed to claim wisdom – based upon war opposition – when Barack actually ran to the front of various advantageous parades at various advantageous stages.
I just want to say that “Truth’s” post up there sets a new record in total incoherence.
What are you trying to say, “Truth”? Do you actually have any kind of thought process at all, or are you now just randomly spitting out fragments of the Approved Narrative, like some kind of William Burroughs cut-up project?
Trimegistus, keep yourself with your Myths
Bush siad:
“In Germany and Japan, the work of rebuilding took place in relative quiet,” Bush said. “Today we’re helping emerging democracies rebuild under fire from terrorist networks and state sponsors of terror. This is a difficult and unprecedented task, and we’re learning as we go.”
I agree with him in this but still holding Corrupt Shaikh Paul Bremer III with the miss he created in Iraq helped terrorists inside and out side Iraq to slaughter Iraqis and Americans for more than five years which pass the time when US was in Germany
Um, “Truth”? The U.S. has had troops in Germany for more than 60 years now. Just so you know, 60 is in fact a larger number than 5.
Trimegistus, yes I know I don’t talking about troop existence here I talking about war the war II was finished less in time what we have in Iraq, isn’t?
Similarly, our war with Iraq was finished in about a year, if you take the capture of Saddam as the end of that phase. Since then we’ve been fighting alongside the Iraqi army against foreign terrorists attacking their country — more or less the way we agreed to help defend Germany against attack since 1949.
And would you please retire that racist lie that the U.S. somehow “creates” terrorists? Muslims, like other human beings, have free will and can make their own choices. We don’t make them become terrorists any more than we make Brazilians play samba music.
,B>our war with Iraq was finished in about a year, if you take the capture of Saddam as the end of that phase.
Its not me to take things here its the ground reading tells the war not finish you like it or not some agree some not.
Please read this:
Mission Still Not Accomplished
foreign terrorists attacking their country
English is not my native language if I am right isn’t statement looks odd?
How come they are “foreign” attacking “their country”!!?
We know there are terrorists and criminals inside Iraq and are Iraqi also there are great amount of foreign terrorist funded and supported by neighbours’ states
would you please retire that racist lie
Aha so sick claims here, did your hero dismantle the Iraqi army and police forces?
Did that open wildly the doors for criminals terrorist, thugs from around the world to play their game.
Just look back whats happen after Katrina disaster how some killer and gangs went wild in a country where rule of law still strong and existed what they done in is marginal time when the power paused for short time.
Let dance all with Brazilians play samba music!
@ Truth:
I agree with him in this but still holding Corrupt Shaikh Paul Bremer III with the miss he created in Iraq helped terrorists inside and out side Iraq to slaughter Iraqis and Americans for more than five years which pass the time when US was in Germany
Trimegistus, yes I know I don’t talking about troop existence here I talking about war the war II was finished less in time what we have in Iraq, isn’t?
Perhaps Truth? is suggesting that had the US conducted its war against Saddam and the Jihadis/Baathists in the same way the US conducted WW2 against Germany and Japan, the results would have been better. A substantial part- perhaps the majority- of the major cities in Japan and Germany were reduced to rubble through Allied bombing. Iraq’s infrastructure was almost completely intact after the US invasion. A substantial proportion, perhaps most, of the infrastructure destruction in Iraq since May 2003 has come from those opposing the US.
From Wikipedia, we find out that 10.5% of Germany’s population and 3.8% of Japan’s population were killed in WW2: nearly 10 million people. Is Truth? suggesting that had the US inflicted similar casualties in Iraq, things would have been calmer? BTW, Japan lost 580,000 civilians in WW2. While one may regret the deaths of those killed by the atomic bomb at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, bear in mind that Japan killed 16.2 million civilian Chinese in WW2.
One way to understand the silence about Iraq might be to think of Iraq and “Iraq,” as two separate things. Iraq is a real place in the real world, where real events are taking place. “Iraq” is a psychological space, a shorthand for all our quarrels with ourselves over what America’s role in the world shall be and who shall govern America. Iraq may have been anything from a noble cause to a policy blunder – more likely – and in any case badly botched in execution until Bush found the right general and gave him a free hand. “Iraq,” to those who have fallen silent about developments in Iraq is a moral wrong that must be repudiated regardless of what is happening in Iraq or any geostrategic consequences of that repudiation.
Above all, “Iraq,” has been a personal wrong, insult, and disaffirmation for those who have now fallen silent about events in Iraq. These are the people who were demanding “not in my name” before the sun set on September 11, 2001. Success in Iraq is, therefore, a threat to their existential stake in ending the “Iraq” war on terms that they can live with. Any news of such success will be disregarded where it cannot be denied.
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Gringo
Iraq’s infrastructure was almost completely intact after the US invasion. A substantial proportion, perhaps most, of the infrastructure destruction in Iraq since May 2003 has come from those opposing the US.
Gringo do your information comes from reliable source or from US media and impended reporters like?
I did not suggested how the war was conducted from the start in fact I appose the war from humanity side and the catastrophic consequences of the war.
Iraqis did not like their regime and they stand away when US start the war and this clear from Remembering Spring 2003, From the Iraqi Side of Battle by one Iraq solder early days of war after five years.
after the war start the way corrupt Sheikh Paul Bremer III administrated Iraq.
Its important to go back and read what General Lucius Clay U.S. Military Governor of Germany, 1945—46 said:
You can’t let this country starve to death or break down with the lack of opportunity for economic life. In the long run, the American people will never tolerate an area under American control in which there is chaos.
So back to Iraq’s infrastructure after 13 years of inhuman sanction and the massive bombing of Iraq the Iraq’s infrastructure almost on its last leg which broken down by the invasion refer to Paul Bremer speeches about Iraq’s infrastructure in many occasions.
But the disastrous blow of Iraq’s infrastructure was the theft and looting which is gone too far with US troop did nothing to stop it.
But the disastrous blow of Iraq’s infrastructure was the theft and looting which is gone too far with US troop did nothing to stop it.
The looting is part of your glorious culture.. it’s not our job to tame you when you decide to act like a pack of jackals.
I think a good bit of the MSM lack of attention to good news from Iraq is the election. My guess is that you could track the fade of Iraq from headlines and the increase in election coverage and see the pattern. Unfortunately, the good developments in Iraq and the election heating up happen at the same time, so the effects cannot be separated easily. And in general, bad news leads headlines.
Hal: I agree it’s the elections. But I disagree on the motive.
If the news from Iraq, good or bad, favored the favorite, Obama, you can be assured we’d hear about it day and night. But since it favors McCain and Bush, it’s hush-hush.
TRUTH?:
So back to Iraq’s infrastructure after 13 years of inhuman sanction and the massive bombing of Iraq the Iraq’s infrastructure almost on its last leg which broken down by the invasion refer to Paul Bremer speeches about Iraq’s infrastructure in many occasions.
Judging by electrical output, I stand by my statement that most of Iraq’s infrastructure was largely intact after the 2003 war.
Prewar 3958 MW
June 2003 3193 MW
October 2003 3948 MW
From Brookings Institute Iraq Index, page 41.
Here are some photographs of the infrastructure destruction in WW2: from the Tokyo fire bombing , from the A-bomb in Hiroshima and in Germany.
Are you telling me that the destruction of Iraq’s infrastructure was similar?
To the degree that Iraq’s infrastructure had not been repaired after Gulf War 1,that responsibility lies with Saddam, who chose instead to build palaces. That does not sound like a good argument for having kept Saddam in power.
You need stop relying on the local mukhabarat for your thought processes and talking points. Baghdad Bob could have said “13 years of inhumane sanctions.” Interject some TRUTH into your life.
The looting is part of your glorious culture..
Vince P, check out how many US solders caught in air port bringing items from Iraq?
Where did US$9-10 Billions that vanished from Iraq?
Where the Babylonian priceless item stolen and theft from Iraq during the looting from Iraqi Baghdad Museum where US tank Blow the main door for the looters (thief in are they Iraqi?).
What about Babylonian site when US troop take it as military base their when Bremer have visited their what they done of huge damage that to cover their culture of thefts which prompted UN agencies to raise alarm about the distract that happened in that very historical site asked you here what they done and what the found and where things went. No Iraqi was allowing on that site for years.
Your hysteria, racist and hatred altitude stopping your mindset thinking in the right matter as normal people do, your dishonesty clear here go back and review all what I list you will find more talk and info make you sick to your bone, read those theft done by many not just US solders/and others who have that culture of Ali Baba.
Btw, united Nation and Inter national laws stating the invading Power/Frorse responsible for the security, law and orders on invaded land:
Finally I think we reach to point we have to ignore provoking and stupid comments make by you as its clear its very stupid and just for provoking purposes. I will ignore not bother to your your responses in future just trash them
Are you telling me that the destruction of Iraq’s infrastructure was similar?
Gringo I don’t.
You need stop relying on the local mukhabarat for your thought processes and talking points.
This really funny statement man, you know that the sanction was hearts Iraqis more than the regime and this not my words and my feeling , regime used this for his own benefits so Bush administration and Iraq s were caught in the middle in this propaganda.
But just to highlights some things that might tell you more:
1- UN was allowed Iraq to export oil up to ONE billion dollar and from that ONE billions some of the money goes for compensations of the 1991 war.
2- Iraqis repaired their power within FOUR months under heavy sanction, they restored communications in SIX months under same conditions, where Iraq after 2003 with all the technology, resources Available Iraqis still got power for 2 hours/day some times more or less, water still a drama phone lines I don’t know (try to call and see by your own any number belong to normal Iraqi house) .
Please you need to see things from inside not from media all those who trying put makeup for the invasion.
Gringo I wonder if you live under same condition what your response and talk will be or you also “relying on the local mukhabarat for your thought processes and talking points.” I am not in any way or matter the person you think.
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Truth?:
Here is what you have said about infrastructure.
You contradict yourself from one posting to the next. On the one hand you state that after “13 years of inhumane sanctions and the massive bombing of Iraq Iraq’s infrastructure almost on its last leg.” The reference to massive bombing had to be to Gulf War 1, as there was much more use of bombing in Gulf War1 than in Gulf War 2. On the other hand you state that after Gulf War 1, Iraq had both restored power and communications within 6 months.
I would agree with you that the Iraqi people were caught in a vise between Saddam and sanctions. One person may claim that the sanctions were too harsh. Another may claim that the problem was that Saddam circumvented sanctions to spend on his palaces and pet projects instead of on the people of Iraq. This suggests that sanctions were untenable in the long run. In the long run, either Saddam or sanctions had to go.
Gringo Says:
Go and ask any Iraqi near you in US who was inside Iraq after Gulf war I he will confirm what I said. or give a visit to Iraq now ask the Iraqis to confirm what I said.
Then you make your mind and arguments if you don’t believe this is your problem.
people keep arguing here without real feeling what Iraqis went through how much suffering before and after till now.
I agree with you “either Saddam or sanctions had to go”, but still Iraqi have to pay their suffering from their blood shared with their American friend due to mismanagements and mistakes that Sheikh Paul BremerIII should be hold responsible for all of what happened from day one he went in Iraq with Persia’s proxy gangs and corrupted guys who came and lie on you ending now Iraq as an extension to Mullah in Iran when women killing due to their dress, schools teaches their fanatic lessens which never been in Iraq since 1950s, with media full of crap in name of Shiites faith (Those Crap of Ashora’a, which not in any way Islamic teaching indorsed by those Persia’s proxy mullah ).
الطالباني يطالب نصرالله بعدم التدخل ÙÙŠ الشأن العراقي
31/05/2008 بغداد ــ كونا ــ طالب الرئيس العراقي جلال الطالباني أمين عام «Øزب الله» السيد Øسن نصرالله بعدم التدخل ÙÙŠ الشأن العراقي.
واضا٠خلال لقائه رؤساء تØرير الصØ٠ووسائل الاعلام العراقية: «Ø¨Ø§Ù„نسبة الى سماØØ© السيد Øسن نصرالله، Ùليس له الØÙ‚ بالتدخل ÙÙŠ شؤون العراق الداخلية، كما Ù†ØÙ† لم نتدخل ÙÙŠ شؤون لبنان الداخلية. العراق بلد مستقل وبلد Øضارة وكل الذين يدّعون الجهاد والوطنية تعلموا منا»ØŒ مشيرا الى ان «Ø§Ù„نج٠الأشر٠هو المدرسة التي خرّجت المناضلين والمجاهدين، وعلماء الدين الشيعة منهم خصوصا، Ùلا يجوز للتلاميذ ان ÙŠÙرضوا آراءهم على مدرسيهم واساتذتهم». وكان نصرالله دعا ÙÙŠ خطابه الأخير العراقيين الى اعتماد ما وصÙÙ‡ بـ«Ø§Ø³ØªØ±Ø§ØªÙŠØ¬ÙŠØ© التØرير»ØŒ معربا عن تأييده لـ«Ø§Ù„مقاومة العراقية للاØتلال الأميركي».
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