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  1. I’ve read where the Israelis have denied responsibility, with western reporting hinting that it must’ve been them anyway because an unidentified high ranking Israeli military official has said that he is well aware that Hezbollah would likely wish to retaliate for the assassination. As if merely acknowledging this truth is tantamount to a confession.

    Actually, Im really hoping we did it. It would be comforting for me to know that this country possess the moxie to do what’s necessary, anywhere, anytime.

  2. Liberal sympathy for Muslim terrorists goes without saying. It’s at the point that I don’t like to be around liberals any more.

  3. Violence itself is the problem. If only some reasonable person – maybe Barack Obama or Dennis Kucinich – could have spoken face to face with Mughniyeh…

  4. The late Mr. Mughniyeh hated Israel, hated America, hated Christianity, hated Western Civilization, and committed brutal acts of violence against them all. What’s not for a modern liberal to like? He’s like Ward Churchill, only instead of being a pasty-assed poseur, he’s a real Dangerous Brown Person.

    Expect to see his mug(h) on t-shirts and flag posters at Obama campaign offices any day now.

  5. Someone else will simply take Mughniyeh’s place, there is no hope until the retaliations are broadened to include entire groups of Islamist supporters, and the populations which promote and protect them. Their strategy in Sderot, for example, and generally, is to squeeze; denying relaxed living space; wearing down the “stubborn” dhimmi is effective for them or they wouldn’t do it. The only alternative left is to squeeze back, effectively push the living space back in Gaza until it is 2 miles from Sderot, instead of less than one. The politicians from Bush and Rice to all the dimocrats need to have their noses rubbed in the reality that they are all engaged in a self destructive game of pretend with virtually the entire islamist presence in the mideast, including and starting with Abbas….. negotiation, from the North Koreans to the Pali’s, is a fools game, and we are the fools…. There can never, will never be peace with those people, there can only be a relentlessly enforced police environment which provides a begrudged non-violent coexistance. Like I told a smart-ass I work with, after they’re done with me they’re coming after you….

  6. perfected dem, it does seem like there are always others to take the place of whoever we remove. However, we can likely assume that the replacements are in general less competent than the originals, and have fewer networked connections.

    But even if they were just as good, removing leaders is like removing the top plate in the old cafeteria spring-loaded stack. It looks like you are making no progress, and then suddenly you see the stack is almost done.

  7. If the NYT loves terrorists and hates America, why do you keep reading it? Just let the free market work its magic!

  8. another take: this is not the NY Times. The Times Online is a British publication.

    I don’t actually subscribe to any of these periodicals, by the way. But I find it extremely edifying to see what those on the left, the right, and in the middle say about the events of our time.

  9. Muslims Against Sharia Says: ….

    Best of luck to you, you are a little slice of hope; your participation is profound, greatly appreciated and respected here…..

  10. We should put GPS activated bombs in every car headrest shipped to the middle east. And a handkerchief that says BANG that comes out of the rearview mirror.

  11. another take: this is not the NY Times. The Times Online is a British publication.

    My mistake!

  12. Realy dangerous terrorists – organizers and masterminds of spectacular acts of mass murder – are rare commodity, most of jihadists are trully dumb, and this makes targeted assasinations viable strategy. Even more important is that necessity to hide makes their contacts very limited and drastically hinders efficiency of terrorists networks. It also makes replacement much more problematic because of additional risk of infiltration by agents of counter-terror organizations.

  13. Russia has a rich history of counter-terrorist operations since second half of 19 century. In some periods there were more than 200 000 of terrorist acts a year, but creation of dedicated police force (Okhranka) using lots of agents-provocateurs decimated these networks and eventually wiped them out. It took only one decade.

  14. Although I wish the Israelis could take credit for this assassination, I don’t believe they had any part in it.

    If you look back at the highly sensitive Syrian Air Strike in September 2007, the Israeli government neither accepted responsibility nor denied it. Put basically, they said absolutely nothing.

    I think that if Israel had any part in this assassination, the Israeli response would have been the same, to say absolutely nothing. The fact that the Israeli government denied responsibility to me is a signal that they really did not have anything to do with it.

    Lets face it, they knew that regardless of what is proven, Israel will be blamed. If it was an accident, and the guy detonated himself, it was still Israel’s fault.

  15. Sergey, good point. I’d thought about that too, how the late 19th century (not just in Russia) coped with anarchists and eventually supressed them. The question is which of their tactics can we adopt while not doing undue harm to civil liberties.

  16. Here’s a question I’ve asked before without receiving an answer. Maybe the question is naive and stupid, but here goes:

    We always see photos and videos of Hezbollah and other terrorist (or militant or charitable) organizations holding demonstrations, parades, training sessions, etc., apparently attended by hundreds or thousands of supporters. Many of these get-togethers feature guys in masks carrying assault rifles and rocket launchers – sometimes discharging same.

    Question: Wouldn’t it be more efficient to drop some napalm on them when they’re all in a bunch like that? I mean, as opposed to running lengthy, delicate secret ops to take out individual members using clever devices like exploding head rests.

    If Hitler had try to hold a second Nurnberg rally in 1944, seems like a certain amount of bombing and strafing would have ensued. So why do we let terrorists have parades and rallies without doing something about it?

  17. For Liberals it is always “Hug A Terrorist , A Tree , An Inmate , and a Serial Killer , month.
    American Infidel
    Michael Canzano

  18. Bugs:

    Re strafing and/or napalming Hezbollah demonstrations — not a bad idea, really. I read a possibly apocryphal account that the US Army in Iraq was doing something along those lines: stationing snipers to cover vehicles wrecked by IED blasts. Any “militants” who wanted to climb on top of the wreck to wave an AK-47 for the cameras got a long-distance call from Uncle Sam in .50 caliber. Or so the story went.

  19. Trimegistus,

    Actually, U.S. on the ground personel, on their own initiative, sometimes faked IED blast sites as an attractor of undesirables. This was offensive action they could take which conformed with their rules of engagement.

  20. This also, and possibly in line with Sergey’s Russia example, seems to me the path to defeating terror groups:

    Open your own faux terror groups. Do it everywhere.

    The odds of accidentally joining a faux terror group should be larger than the odds of finding your way to an actual terror group.

  21. The faux terror groups could even outbid the actual terror groups in providing services to local poplulations. This would discredit actual terror groups, plus strain the resources of actual terror groups. The economic strain would be the equivelent of Reagan’s Cold War strategy of forcing the USSR into a large arms build-up.

  22. Sounds like your proposing the Wal-Mart of terrorist organizations. You could also spot the jihadis who didn’t join – they’d be the ones whining about “big box” terror groups running local cells out of business, not providing survivor benefits for martyrs’ families, etc.

  23. lol. yes! I’m proposing more like the Starbucks of terrorist organizations: a faux terror-joining opportunity on every corner. How can an authentic terrorist tell the real terror orgs from the fake terror orgs?

  24. If the NYT loves terrorists and hates America, why do you keep reading it? Just let the free market work its magic!

    And indeed the free market IS working its magic, as the Old Gray Lady’s falling readership and stock prices attest. They’ve even been frightened enough to hire Bill Kristol in order to give the appearance of balance.

    But as just one out of nine op-ed writers we KNOW he’s just a figurehead, don’t we? The rest of the Op-ed staff, from Dowd to Rich, is mainly left-wing. We can only hope that there is continued failure of readership and stock prices for this traitorous rag.

  25. “We can only hope that there is continued failure of readership and stock prices for this traitorous rag.”
    grackle

    The more the numbers fall, the more it makes the NYT right, and the greater its embattled victim status becomes, don’t-cha-know. Anyway, it’s always got the Endangerd Species Act to fall back on, so, why should a Prog Bro worry?

  26. Things are getting much worse before they’re getting better; the mainstream haven’t really been hurt enough yet to make them angry enough to fight back; the troops are tired; Obama is riding the American intellectual malaise like a magic carpet to become POTUS. The only silver cloud is that the Clintons arrogant balloon is being popped; but the longer term tragedy that is about to unfold with the manchurian candidate, like his mentor Jimmy Cracker, will finally bring mature realism and resolve to the honest American center…..

  27. As far I know, Israel mustered the best in history anti-terrorist special services acting both domestically and abroad (Shin-Beth and Mossad), and nobody in Israel feels that they somehow infringe on their liberties. Even Israeli leftists, having much in common with American ones, do not indulge in paranoid fears about these organizations, in contrast to their American conterparts.

  28. May be, poor reputation of FBI and CIA and leftist paranoia about Patriot Act and wiretapping are simply products of Hollywood propaganda habitually portraying them in the worst possible light, like in Syriana and in scores of political trillers. Such fears has little if any foundation in reality.

  29. Chesterton wrote an extravaganza novel about Russian anarchists and British cops fighting them: The Man Who Was Thursday. The team of anarchists turned out to consist of agents-provocateurs, and their ring-leader was the chief cop. This was written after a huge scandal emerged about Asef, leader of Russian terrorist group, who was a double agent with ties to Russian secret political police.

  30. If you were to go after assemblies of terrorists, you wouldn’t use napalm. You’d use cluster bombs or HE fused for an airburst.

    Of course, where there are mobs involved, there are usually “children” involved, often being indoctrinated. I’d put the moral blame on the parents, but the press wouldn’t like that. Well, actually they would. They’d eat it up.

    I still like the idea. When the press ran photos of mobs cheering and shooting guns in the air after the WTC was hit, I fantasized about a few hand grenades tossed into those mobs, to bring home to those people the horror of what they were cheering. Diagnose me if you like, Neo, but the combination of the irresponsible use of automatic weapons and the desire to cause harm to people who would almost certainly help them if the circumstance arose said to me “Evil! Enemy!” and if the evil is in the culture rather than the individual, it needs to be answered nevertheless.

  31. Sergey: I just finished reading The Man Who Was Thursday. What a strange book! And it seems like most of the characters are still chasing each other around the world today – both politically and religiously.

    I wasn’t aware of the link with Asef. Thanks for the info.

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