Landes confronts Enderlin at Harvard
Those of you who have followed the Al Durah controversy and the lawsuits instigated by French journalist Chrarles Enderlin against bloggers accusing him of lying (see my posts under the category “Paris and France2 trial” on the right sidebar) will be interested to learn that Richard Landes has written about Enderlin’s recent talk at Harvard.
Landes’ post makes for sobering reading. It also contains the interesting tidbit that Enderlin casually mentioned that those famous photos of Arafat giving blood after 9/11 were staged, and that Enderlin and the press were well aware of that fact.
Enderlin doesn’t seem to be the least bit apologetic, or even aware that there might be something wrong with this. So much for journalistic ethics—“higher truth” and all that, you know.
Enderlin is a distinguished newsman, somewhat the equivalent of Dan Rather—only worse. He rivals Rather for pomposity and muddy thinking, but his shoddy reporting of the al Durah affair has caused harm far greater than anything Rather managed to perpetrate.
Landes has devoted a great deal of his considerable intelligence and energy to exposing the damage Enderlin has done through his promulgation of falsehoods connected with the al Durah story (see Landes’ website Second Draft and his blog Augean Stables). My guess is that Enderlin must regard Landes, his nemesis, as a sort of Inspector Javert (to use a French literary metaphor), a pitiless fanatic pursuing the well-meaning Enderlin to the ends of the earth in a cold-blooded effort at a false and ultimately doomed “justice.”
But to my way of thinking a more appropriate literary metaphor comes from Russian literature: Porfiry Petrovich, the psychologically astute investigator in Dostoevsky’s masterpiece Crime and Punishment, who:
…has a shrewd understanding of criminal psychology and is exquisitely aware of Raskolnikov’s [the perpetrator’s] mental state at every step along the way from the crime to the confession. He is Raskolnikov’s primary antagonist, and, though he appears only occasionally in the novel, his presence is constantly felt.
Yes. Although Enderlin has had only a few face-to-face encounters with Landes, no doubt Landes’ “presence is constantly felt.”
And that’s as it should be.
Enderlin is a distinguished newsman, somewhat the equivalent of Dan Rather–only worse
And enjoying what appears to be permanent tenure at the government-paid France2 TV/media.
Isn’t calling Dan Rather a distinguished newsman a bit like calling Jim Bakker a distinguished clergyman?
Anyway, I get the point. Interesting the degree to which a “distinguished” reputation shields some people from scrutiny. I’m wondering by what standards we judge news people as compared to other professionals. A great surgeon saves patients’ lives, develops ground-breaking procedures, etc. What makes a journalist great? And how do Rather or Enderlin qualify as outstanding in their profession?
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Bugs, Dan Rather is to a distinguished journalist as a streetwalker is to a top-dollar call girl.
Does that help?
It seems to me that the slippery Enderlin managed to escape accountability again, tossing another fraudulent claim in front of Landes to slow him up just long enough for Enderlin to make his escape in the midst of an ad-hoc smoke screen.
Who are we kidding? Even if we got a hold of the original video tape footage and found Enderlin stage managing the entire thing, the liberals arent going to care. They’ll call it a dramatic re-enactment or some damned thing. It might have been an act, they’ll say, but it reflects the inherent “truth” of the situation. They just “know” its true.
Charles Enderlin or others who with or not with Palestinians side is irrelevant her with one story that Charles Enderlin reported about Durah.
Any analyzer to the conflict in ME and most the international agencies either related to UN or independent they make many reports about Israeli’s human rights violations in the occupied land.
If Charles Enderlin discredits of what he reported you can discredit thousand of reports in regard of killing in occupied land.
The truth hard to swallow
Who are we kidding? Even if we got a hold of the original video tape footage and found Enderlin stage managing the entire thing, the liberals arent going to care.
The only truth that matters is when will Enderlin be executed. You have a choice of crucifixion, staking, waterboarding, electrocution, or lethal injection.
Swallowing poison is not allowed, given the fact that the Romans, Cleopatra, Hannibal Barca, etc used to do that.
I’d reply to (cough) “truth” but I have no idea what he/she had written.
Instead of “truth” you should go ahead and call yourself “incoherent”.
Truth simply means that Enderlin may be fake once, but the rest of his stuff is true about Jewish Palis killers.
Fake but accurate you may say.
Well, from photo-shopped Israeli air strikes to ambulances modified to look as they have been deliberately targeted with IDF missiles, I guess I can see how Israel is responsible for all these “human rights” violations. Meanwhile, if a 14 year old Palestinian is sent by his people to blow himself up inside a dance club or a shopping mall, what’s the fuss right?
You have to have a special form of cynicism and disdain for conventional judgment and rational thought to twist “truth” in this way.
You remember Neo relating the horror of the discovery that she had been lied to over the decades as to who was doing what to whom in Vietnam? You have to have a conscious for that.
Talk about the polarization, I think we’ve seen all the people that had switched or were “mugged by reality” on 9/11 that we’re going to see. Those left on the Left are just too hard boiled in their ideology to care. Instead of reason, there will be rationalizing. Instead of judgement there will be justification. Instead of consciousness we have deep cynicism.
Man, I think the rest of them are beyond reaching.
thanks for the analogy to porfiry p., altho i must confess, i don’t really understand enderlin. there’s a debate among those of us who have examined the evidence closely (and by and large agree that it was staged), about just when enderlin knew it was fake. some think he did from the start, or at least the next day. i suspect he still may not have allowed himself to know — initially because of the “scoop” he couldn’t pass up, and later because of the damage he couldn’t face. but somehow he almost redefines the limits of cognitive dissonance.
richard
It seems that some people, usually of the liberal/left persuasion, can just take mulligans on their misdeeds.
One example might be Senator Robert Byrd who was at one time a member of the Ku Klux Klan. He was able to morph from an anti-civil rights activist to a defender of the oppressed without paying any penalty or apologizing to anyone.
Another example might be President Bill Clinton who lied under oath and suborned perjury, but was allowed to continue as Chief law Enforcement Officer of the U.S. without apologizing or paying any penalty except the loss of his law license.
So too, it seems, with Chas. Enderlin. Oops, he was caught, but because his intentions were “good” (Just like old Dan) he will get a mulligan and morph into a blameless hero subjected to the slings and arrows of the no-nothing blogosphere.
I agree. The left isnt going to learn anything. They dont care. The lie is for the benefit of the vast “middle”. The apolitical undecided. The people who arent going to pop in on differing bloggs for a closer look and wont hear about what’s really going on. Of course the “corporate” media isnt going to clue them in either. Its up to us, but its a daunting task in which we’re prone to be seen as being merely partisan ourselves. But in Iraq…If we’re proven to be successful…
This is what puts the left in a very potential bind. What if this works?
Any analyzer to the conflict in ME and most the international agencies either related to UN or independent they make many reports about Israeli’s human rights violations in the occupied land.
If it’s so bad, why do they have to make things up to make it look bad?
If it’s so bad, why do they have to make things up to make it look bad?
Most of you miss my point here.
Gary they did not make up things to look bad but the real life of humans in occupied land speaks for itself those report made (Not made-up) to let the rest of the world know how Palestinians suffering from the occupiers.
So if the Durah was faked pics, did that means the Palestinians living in Eden Garden under Israeli occupations.
There are some Israelis from inside Israel spoken out about the Palestinians suffering why you trying to hide the “truthing” facts, you can not hide the Sun’s light by your hand.
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Frankly, Truth, there is a long line of peoples and individuals in this world drawing from my well of sympathy.
The Palestinians are pretty much at the very end of that line. I can’t think of a people less deserving of their own state – whenever I begin to start feeling some sympathy for their self-inflicted plight, the Palestinians themselves that set me straight.
“Truth”, are you French by any chance? That would explain a lot.
Accept this truth, “Truth”: The Palestinians do not want a home land. They wouldnt know what to do with themselves if they had one. What they want is martyrdom and victimhood. Its the only thing they’ve ever known. As Danny has said, their plight is self inflicted.
The Left does have a consciousness, what they don’t have is a conscience. You can’t feel guilt if you lack a conscience.
Enderlin doesn’t have a conscience, for example. What matters to him is doing what benefits him, not about how he stepped on the heads of children.
So if the Durah was faked pics, did that means the Palestinians living in Eden Garden under Israeli occupations.
Where did you learn how to think, T? The Durah tapes being fake means that your justification and excuse for why Palestinians are living under oppression due to Israel is an erroneous bit of theater. Regardless of the finicky details, what it all comes down to is that you are wrong. Do you really think that the Durah tapes have to prove us right, to prove you wrong? All it needs to do is prove that your side has been lying and manipulating people, which it has. It doesn’t need to prove our contention that Israelis give rights to all human beings.
Even actual evidence can’t dissuade those like Truth from their beloved myth of the poor, oppressed, victimized Palestinians.
It’s the Left’s most popular fairy tale. It’s also the fable that’s hindering us in the WoT, and may even get us all killed, as we continue to buy into the fantasy of poor, oppressed Islam (with the Palestinians as its most prominent representatives) and the eeeeevil West, and the eeeeeevil Jews, who aren’t doing enough to alleviate poor Palestine’s misery (despite the obscene amounts of foreign aid that have been flushed down the Palestinian memory hole; despite the fact that oil-producing nations, such as Saudi Arabia, could help out of the Palestinians, if they wanted to—which they don’t.)
Truth, if things really were that bad for the poor Palestinians, nobody would have to make up anything. The fact that they do, indicates that the bad things happening to them are not the fault of the Israelis. I know you will not be able to wrap your mind around this, since you are one of the ones harry9000 was talking about; even being mugged by reality can’t change your mind.
since you are one of the ones harry9000 was talking about; even being mugged by reality can’t change your mind.
Show us your “reality” and let think about it?
Whatever comment come here, let take the case of Saudi offer (King Abdullah) for a peace with Israel.
Let this will be starting point what’s wrong if there is will to peace should all starting with one step for long and difficult long way?
Truth
You’ve been shown “reality” many times on this blog, and you’ve consistently rejected it. You are too deeply in thrall to the myth of suffering, noble, innocent, abused Palestine.
Truth, you can only have peace when both sides want it. The Palestinians don’t want it. They’ve made that quite clear. I doubt King Abdullah, or the Saudis, want it either. (Remember 9/11? The majority of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And remember all that Saudi oil money? It’s being used around the world to support terrorism, and found extremist mosques. One nice step towards peace would be for the Saudis to stop funding such institutions. But I doubt they will.)
It’s the same ol’, same ol’; more “peace” plans propounded by those who don’t want peace, and which never bring peace; more foreign aid for poor lil’ Palestine, which will be used, among other things, to kill Jewish children with rockets, and homicide bombers. More fanatical imams and mullahs, funded by oil money from those “peaceable” Saudis, and more BS PR for Arab leaders, trying to shove them on us (like Arafat) as paragons of nobility, instead of murdering thugs. And we must believe, even when it’s a lie, because, y’know, it’s TRUE—even when it’s not, it’s TRUE—because, well, the Palestinians are suffering! And on. And on.
They’ve made that quite clear. I doubt King Abdullah, or the Saudis, want it either. (Remember 9/11? The majority of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. And remember all that Saudi oil money? It’s being used around the world to support terrorism, and found extremist mosques. One nice step towards peace would be for the Saudis to stop funding such institutions. But I doubt they will.)
Its very sad and shamefully intelligent space like this offer by our friend neoneo abused by most of you instead of discussing the subject and points I made and trying to find the opposite for your sick argument taken personal attack on me.
To discuses this matter with core points, instead bringing 9/11 terrorists acts and mixing from this and that and trying swiftly to diverting the discussion and produce your realists that some Jews and Israelis have spoken out and telling us what the living under Israeli occupations.
I quite agree for start both side have demonstrating their mentality of victimized hood and Violence culture but how to break this circle of violence by blaming one side or another we will not achieve any thing here.
If we keep saying this side have no will or that have no will is sort of thinking will produce any positive out come?
No of course not all we need is the will of third parties who should have the will and independency and looking for long and offal negotiating to solve the problem, I really prize Bill Clinton achievement when he managed to bring to parties together we should learn form that listens and move forward.
They’ve made that quite clear. I doubt King Abdullah, or the Saudis, want it either. (Remember 9/11? The majority of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.
remember all that Saudi oil money? It’s being used around the world to support terrorism, and found extremist mosques.
I well remembered I spoke and I will speaks about it, but remember some of you accusing me with my talk about the Saudi regime, but let not go far from recent news that come from WestPoint research that show 9 from 10 terrorists in Iraq coming from Saudi through Syria now Iraq and American still suffering from this regime who had more than 100 years of sick minded people and manipulating and wash brains of youth to their necessity to rule a country and oil wealth by few stupid and tyrant kings/ princes and left the nation living on the edge of darkness using their deformed version of Islam and Madrash to do so for long offal time.
All in all what successive US administration doing with this regime is more close ties more weapons (which never been used) and more deals.
Is this the action toward a regime that sponsored 9/11? Answer faithfully please.
First apologies to neoneo and our friends for my offal mess in my pervious comment, please neoneo if you could delete the comment that I made before, and I put it again after some cleanup.
Its very sad and shamefully intelligent space like this offered by our friend neoneo abused by most of you by discussing the subject and points I made by trying to find the opposite instead starting your sick argument taken personal attack on me.
To discuses this matter with core points, bringing 9/11 terrorists acts and mixing from this and that trying swiftly to diverting the discussion without produce your realists while some Jews and Israelis have spoken out (my links in previous comments) and telling us what the living under Israeli occupations.
I quite agree for start both sides have demonstrating their mentality of victimized hood and Violence culture but how to break this circle of violence by blaming one side or another we will not achieve any thing here.
If we keep saying this side has no will or that have no will is sort of thinking will produce any positive out come?
No of course not, all we need is the will of third parties who should have the will and independency and looking for long and offal negotiating to solve the problem, I really prize Bill Clinton achievement when he managed to bring to parties together we should learn form that listens and move forward.
remember all that Saudi oil money? It’s being used around the world to support terrorism, and found extremist mosques. One nice step towards peace would be for the Saudis to stop funding such institutions.
I do remember well, I spoke and I will speaks about it, but remember some of you accusing me with my talk about the Saudi regime, but let not go far from recent news that come from WestPoint research that show 9 from 10 terrorists in Iraq coming from Saudi through Syria now Iraq and American still suffering from this regime who had more than 100 years of sick minded people and manipulating and wash brains of youth to their necessity to rule a country and oil wealth by few stupid and tyrant kings/ princes and left the nation living on the edge of darkness using their deformed version of Islam and Madrash to do so for long offal time.
All in all what successive US administration doing with this regime is more close ties more weapons (which never been used) and more deals.
Is this the action toward a regime that sponsored 9/11? Answer faithfully please.
Some people may care whether you come from France or Arabia, but I really don’t care. What I do care about is taken up mostly with attempting to figure out what you are trying to communicate, T.
And what is most buggy about that is not that you started out here with English that has had a lot of their connective words removed, but that you aren’t getting all that better.
It may be too short a time period for you to be able to improve, but you have to get some improvements just by writing and reading here and elsewhere.
English native speakers didn’t start off able to write well, either, but then again they don’t get nearly as much practice as you seem to get, T.
All in all what successive US administration doing with this regime is more close ties more weapons (which never been used) and more deals.
Is this the action toward a regime that sponsored 9/11?
What the US government does and believe, are two different things. What “we” believe and want the US government to do can even be two different things.
In a republic, like ours, you tend to get schizophrenic leadership and policies. Whereas in dictatorships, you tend to get consistent megalomania like with Chavez or Saddam.
So in the end, it doesn’t matter what the US government is doing with Saudi Arabia, since it is completely independent of what Saudi Arabia has been doing.
I quite agree for start both sides have demonstrating their mentality of victimized hood and Violence culture
You just don’t think the Jews are too pacifistic. Historically, the Jews were fighting for independence long before there was a place called Syria Palestina. Compared to Jewish use violence back then, the Jews haven’t even lifted a knife with the intent to kill yet.
The point is that there are two ways to solve a problem between two people. The two can fight it out, and the winner/survivor gets what he wants. Or you can have the two work out a “deal”, and both leave happy or unhappy, but they both leave alive. That’s your only two choices, T.
If we keep saying this side has no will or that have no will is sort of thinking will produce any positive out come?
It produces data that is necessary for us to decide whether Israel-Palestine can be solved with war or with a “deal”. Most of us think it can’t be solved with a deal. I think you believe their problems can be solved with a deal. We’ve told you why the Palestinians won’t accept a deal.
Reality is what people make it, and when people try to take what they want through war, nothing but absolute annihilation will convince them to try things another way.
The Jews rebelled three different times against the Roman Empire in Judea. The revolts cost the Jews hundreds of villages, razed and scorched to the ground, with millions in casualties. This was back during the 1st century AD, not WWII.
The Jews fought and died against the might of Rome, and it took an influx of Roman legions, because the Jews attacked and eliminated the local garrisons in Judea, to suppress the revolt. Each revolt required more troops than the last to suppress. This is simply a reminder to the Palestinian freedom fighters, that if the Jews were serious about making war, they, the Palestinian people, would not have any need for food supplies, because they will be surrounded by their dead for miles.
There was a reason why the Romans crucified thousands of Jewish leaders, ordered the execution of every scholar of the Jewish faith, and razed more than 900 villages and 50 fortified towns to the ground. And that reason was because the Romans didn’t tolerate rebellious indigs.
Don’t talk to me about “Israeli oppression”, T. You don’t know what oppression is. Compared to the people the Jews have fought in their history and compared to what the Jews did in Warsaw and Judea in ancient times, the Jews have taken it easy on the Palestinians for decades now. Goes double for Arabs.
Btw, Emperor Hadrian renamed Judea, because the Roman Empire controlled it, to Syria Palaestina.
Those who want the complete recap, go here.
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The irony of the Jews letting in the Persians and Arabs, just because they disliked Roman Rule, is an interesting analogy to today when Jews side with Democrats just because they don’t like Christians.
Let this will be starting point what’s wrong if there is will to peace should all starting with one step for long and difficult long way?
Sadat had a will for peace with Israel. He got killed because of that.
When an Arab leader says he has “a will for peace” with Israel, and he doesn’t die soon after, you know something is wrong and not genuine.
Again, to recap an earlier point, because you leave out a lot of the connective words in your sentences, it makes your meaning very unclear. There are a lot of ways you could frame the argument. Such as, if there is a will to peace, what’s wrong with taking it as a first step? Which I answered as “people with will for peace die very soon”.
Write shorter sentences.
Sadat had a will for peace with Israel. He got killed because of that.
Israeli former Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin He got killed also because of that. so?
Rabin wasn’t the only Israeli killed as a result of his naiive pursuit of peace
Israeli former Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin He got killed also because of that. so?
Lincoln was also assassinated, the difference is that his nation and people continued his work. There are no free and fair elections in Egypt or the Middle East. How, then, are a people supposed to continue the work of Sadat when they were never part of that work to begin with? The same is not true of the US or Israel.