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  1. Ah – the Zone

    GOOD programmers do it while coding – or try to get there. I’ve had it happen reading a good book. I’ve had it happen a few times during physical activity – On a bike (when I used to ride) or behind a rifle at the range. I can imagine it happening with dancing

  2. Martha Graham method was nothing like this.

    Of course, I wasn’t particularly soft of foot, either.

  3. John: A transcendent state is not necessarily limited to a given realm. I’ve gotten totally immersed in coding space a time or two myself. There is a certain beauty to states which are all mind. People watch things like ballet or even half pipe snowboarding and say, “Think of the concentration that must take.”, when there is is no concentration involved at all. I now practice the martial art of the elders, Aikido, and our kata, look to the outsider like elaborate dances. Lots of concentration on form; which is what kata means; initially so that eventually you can lose the necessity to “concentrate” altogether.

    My eldest practices the oldest open hand martial art, jiu jitsu and has won several world championships. He is also a very large man and conventional wisdom says that large men are slower. Those who say it have never really seen top forms from Western wrestling to the Eastern arts. The action, when it comes is blindingly fast all keyed from very quick perception of what your opponent is doing or tiny cues.

    They “Gestalt“; a German word; verbed here, that also means form or shape. The dancer perceives the space they dance in, where others are in that space what the metronome of the music is saying and then they “just do it”, which is what Nike was saying all along.

    I have watched, in slow motion and freeze frame, my youngest on the mat. He appears to be looking straight into his opponents eyes. But, yet, when a very small motion of the opponent’s right shoulder starts he, instantly, in less than two frames, begins his counter move to all the possibilities that may be derived from that tiny motion.

    Look at Neo’s photo of the dancers. The perfection of the form; the arms, legs, height, the extension and the slight differences in head position. There is just something so compelling about the brain/body interface whether it’s watching a soaring bird adjust its’ feathers for optimal flight, a snowboarder making an adjustment to wind at the very top of a jump or two dancers executing perfectly synchronized jetes.

  4. hi/love your blog/ i get dish tv and down the end there are what i call alternative channells[ free speech tv/ the pentagon channel] a station called classic arts tv is there and it is a real pleasure- commercial free-different arts-classical music,opera,film aaaad the best-ballett! I really love watching the graceful dancers and appreciate the discipline involved. give me the dying swan anyday-hey neo/ keep rockin’

  5. Lovely post!

    I took ballet for 8 years and, while I don’t regret giving it up (because I got to be too tall, and because my feet were really killing me), you have described the best of the dance experience beautifully — and also the learning experience, too.

  6. My experiences aren’t as beautiful, or as beautifully written, as yours. Thank you for the writing.

    This does remind me of a time in my youth where I would, occasionally, get lost in the logic of programming. I would be sitting writing line after line of code; procedure after procedure; without notes, without looking up; without a sense of time. Hundreds of lines, sometimes over a thousand, and upon later review – clear as a bell as to what they were intended to do.

    This is not something I can do now, but I do remember holding the problem in my head, breaking it into parts, testing the parts conceptually for coherence, then capturing each part and the whole in code.

    As I reread this, I am caught wryly admitting that this has no real comparison to the beauty of dance; at best, sort of geek’s distorted mirror of your experience. Still, your writing stirred this from the dredges, so I’ll share it.

  7. Neo: Thank you for the later inclusion of the photo. It is stunningly beautiful and multi-leveled.

    douglas: A good point about homicide bombers.

    I think it is important to understand that all human actions are embedded in a cultural context of values. The ballet dancers working so hard to achieve an aesthetic that appears to transcend some physical laws are part of an acceptable and admired tradition. The warrior who may use the Zone as a way to overcome the chaos of combat while achieving the mission can still; when the need for the transcendent state is is over; attend an university extension class, do calligraphy, enjoy a meal with comrades, observe the tea ceremony, experience a movie or listen to bird song.

    Any tool can be misused.

  8. Neo-neo, that picture is so lovely. Does it by any chance show your class — or you?

  9. I also rarely enjoyed guest lecturers when I was in Architecture school, most were pretty bad. I decided that if I ever got famous enough to lecture, I would set mine to music. Hopefully then, half the already sleep deprived students wouldn’t doze off…

  10. Quite poetic, Neo. The Zone is a good place to be, but if it is an escape or retreat, one has to be careful not to go too often…
    Motor quoted:“In the same way, a great swordsman says, “My sword has its own mind.” He knows that he, in his ego-identity, does not direct its movements.
    I understand the lesson, but being hyper rational, I always felt it was about understanding ones tools and working with their natures, rather than struggling to conquer their natures. go with the flow, if you will. It doesn’t require the ‘spirituality’, but that too is a useful tool.
    I had an odd thought while reading this post, and Motor sort of confirmed it… I bet suicide bombers often get in the zone too…

  11. There’s some very excellent videos that portray coordination, grace, and mind-body harmony.

    Link

    After reading Motor’s comments, I do recall a sense of timelessness when under great pain or in times of great desperation.

    Nothing existed for me except to paralyze my body to wait out the pain, nothing was more important than stopping the pain, basically nothing existed. There was an awareness, but the perception did not alter the plan.

    Then there was that other time I had to climb a staircase outside after running in the cold on a track, with classmates. It seemed most of the blood was draining from my head, but I had to get back to class since the bell had already rung.

    I wasn’t even half-conscious, and when my chin hit the railing I was grabbing for support, I actually knew I had hit it(cause my chin stopped in mid air), but I only felt the cold like 10 seconds later. Far as I could tell.

    That was pretty weird, but that definitely wasn’t fun.

    There were like 4 sets of 10 to 20 steps. A moderate climb at normal speed.

    There was nobody around, they had all returned to class. No one was there to help me, if I had fallen, I would have stayed there.

    So there was a purity of concentration, to get to class, to not miss the bell, and to not fall down.

    Instead of time being compressed, for me it was the reverse. A few short minutes was compressed into literally eternity.

    There was no consciousness of time, the only thing in mind was the will and the goal.

    I also heard that snipers go into the “Zone” and their hesitation evaporates, and they just take down the targets through the scope.

    I also suggest “Master of escapes” in the videos. Those videos are amazing. I don’t think those skills are normal in the human race, personally.

  12. I have found this utter adsorption and involvement in the strangest places. Athletes sometime call it being in “The Zone” a place of endless space and no time except for whatever metronome governs the experience. It can be all mind or all body; pure muscle memory, or a combination of both. A martial arts Sensei I once had called it wu wei; actionless action, a state of no mindfulness; a Zen concept by way of the Tao.

    While he is working, he is not thinking, “I am doing this.” He has released himself from performing deliberate actions, and instead relies upon another “interior consciousness” to initiate and complete the actions.

    In the same way, a great swordsman says, “My sword has its own mind.” He knows that he, in his ego-identity, does not direct its movements. He might also say that in combat a god possesses him and wields his sword. So strong is the feeling that the actions occur without conscious intention that many great swordsmen give names and personalities to their swords and attribute magical powers to them.

    The Rev. Ming Zhen Shakya, in an address, Zen and The Martial Arts

    I have found it in some sports, fly fishing, in the dojo, at the Tassajara Center and in some military training. But, it has been in combat where I have felt it most strongly. It is where I have stared into the void.

    “When you gaze into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.” –Friedrich Nietzsche.”

    It is the venue where the seeming conundrum;

    “Duty is heavy as a mountain, death is light as a feather.”

    makes perfect sense and you gain a full understanding of Robert E. Lee’s statement;

    “It is good that war is so horrible, or we might grow to like it.”

    Thanks for this post Neo.

  13. Sounds like the mind-body connection so many people strive to get, and then live long healthy lives afterwards.

    Time dilation only happens to me when I’m having crazy fun.

    The things those team ice skaters can do are phenomenal.

    Things like the man throwing his partner into the air, and the woman doing a triple [insert skating term] before the landing.

    Then there is the incredible balancing act that occurs with the man at a 45 degree angle, holding his partner up as they glide in a fixed posture. Any engineering worth his crack, would be very excited by the ability it takes to pull off that physics problem.

    There are ice skaters and then there are figure skaters.

    I can surely believe the amount of training, time, effort, determination, and strength that goes into such activities.

    Creating a thing that is greater than the sum of its parts.

  14. I second what your other commenters have to say. As with you, “A speaker has to be riveting–and, preferably, very, very funny — to catch my attention.” That’s why podcasts — even ones whose interviewers and subjects are of great interest — don’t much appeal unless there are transcripts.

    The “flow” nickolaides finds during drawing and gardeniing is familiar to me when I discover and/or create the perfect graphic image to accompany and expand upon a blogpost I am working on. Often in the middle of organizing my thoughts, the image comes to me, I find or create it and and then put it into the draft, where it seems to help me hone in on the point I am trying to make.

    A truly beautiful and evocative post. Your word pictures are most compelling.

  15. Lovely piece, neo! I too am not an auditory learner. In school and college I could never understand why if the lecture was important the lecturer could not just Write It Down. I have to take it on faith that some people can learn that way.

    Otherwise I can only understand it as a semi-benign circle of abuse, that that those who were young lecturees grow up to be lecturers inflicting lectures on the next generation.

  16. Neo, your work habits and your powers of concentration are evident in your blogging as you routinely take often extremely difficult topics and make them absorbing and comprehensible to your readers. Anyone, who has tried to write near-daily blogs or serious poetry, to dance ballet beyond the level of a beginner, to master a musical instrument, etc., knows the intense behind the scenes work and practice that goes into making something very difficult look, read, or sound, effortless and easy. But if the interest and desire is there, time flies and people prevail. Too bad our schools, in general, can’t be more creative and do a better job of teaching lessons in such a way that excites, grabs, and holds the attention of more of our students. For the most part, students aren’t stupid or lazy, just bored and inattentive, especially if they are drowning in droning audio presentations. I think there’s room for improvement. (And yes, I do appreciate the fact that there are many wonderful school programs and individual teachers who are more creative and do stimulating mixed media, hands-on, and other kinds of non-traditional teaching with their students.)

  17. Sounds wonderful, like a good karate class with music. The photo is beautiful, too.

    I concentrate very well when I write, but I rarely if ever experience the telescoping of time that you describe. I’m too literal-minded not to be aware of the actual pace of time. Losing it sounds like a fun experience.

  18. You describe ballet class so compellingly that you make me miss it, too — even though I have never taken a ballet class.

    I have had the experience of “flow” that you describe, though. It happens to me when I am drawing and when I am gardening. Oddly enough, although I love to write, it rarely happens to me while writing. I wish it would.

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