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  1. Neo-neocon said, “…I don’t think it was done purposely and knowingly. I think it was done selfishly, stupidly, and with reckless disregard for the consequences. That there was malice towards Bush, his administration, and the military is probably also true. But I don’t think Newsweek foresaw the scope of the response in Afghanistan itself.”
    Your comment is correct, but also very telling in a PC perspective. In other words, hurt Bush, hurt the US military, but if they had known it would hurt civilians would they still have gone with the story? If not, then they are revealed yet again.
    This, as in all your essays, are great posts. I have given it to my kids and wife to read. They love it, too. (I was a willing VN vet.)

  2. Damn Wretchard, brilliant, ruthlessly brilliant.

    Now, given the fact the provocateurs and poseurs among this wastreling, self-enamored class aren’t going to willingly comply, the question becomes how to prod them into some type of adherence.

  3. Wretchard, at Belmont Club, makes a point so good it’s scary.

    He says that in the old days, enterprises like manufacturers or mines dumped their waste on the public at large. The cost of dealing with the waste was shoved off to society in general. Later, it became legally required for such enterprises to clean up their own messes.

    Currently, the media don’t follow this model. The costs of their excesses are dumped on the public, and they face no costs at all.

    Wretchard askes what might happen if the press is treated as an industrial polluter, required to pay, so the rest of us don’t have to, for their excesses.

  4. John Moreschi,

    One would think so, but you only need to look at thier reactions after the fact. They explicitly stated *they did nothing wrong*.

    A normal thinking person would step back and and think about it for a moment, at least give them pause. While they may not think what they did was wrong, I don’t thik one would say they did *nothing* wrong.

    One of the things I believe about arguing politics, or telling reporters something like this post does (and discussions with quite a few other groups) is that they don’t care. Riots, death, etc isn’t a factor. It’s like telling someone that drinking a lot of water will make you urinate – yea, so? Riots and death? We report what we feel is newsworthy. Notice that “newsworthy” does not include things like truth, unbiased, people aren’t going to be killed, etc. It only has to do with ratings and getting it first. Though to be fair that wasn’t a newsweek quote, but it is pretty accurate of what the general media cares about.

  5. John Moreschi.
    You think the results “blood on their hands” bothers them. You think they see the whole thing as a negative result (outside of being caught).
    On what do you base this?

  6. Impact can be a real transformer. I presume that the heinous impact of Isikoff’s article was a shock to him and to Newsweek. I believe that when you see a very negative result of your actions you can and often are shocked into changing your behavior, and maybe even into changing your point of view. I have hope, and send some prayers, to a real transformation for Newsweek and the Old, Establishment Media. They have blood on their hands, and they know it.

  7. Newsweek seems to have shown poor judgment here, to be sure, but there is a much MUCH deeper problem than Newsweek’s overzealousness to zing the Bush administration.

    The fact that there are millions of people that are so frustrated, repressed, and religiously inflamed that they riot at the sort of provocation that normal adults are expected to take in stride is the real problem, and it won’t go away no matter how careful Newsweek is.

  8. Hmmm,it just occurred to me that based on the strength of the accuracy of the story in question, this magazine should now be spelled Newsweak.

  9. Richard Aubrey asks: “Neo. Can you conceive of experienced journalists being this dumb by accident?
    Being innocent?
    Not knowing the role the media played in Viet Nam?
    Not knowing how it’s done?”

    My answer: yes, indeed I can. My impression of many journalists is that they are simply not deep or critical thinkers. They are facile writers–which sometimes goes with those characteristics, but often does not–and they are business people running a business. Like many successful people, they also often have pretty large egos, and are interested in their own power and sense of self-righteousness.

    Yes indeed, they know the role played by the media in Vietnam. But they think that role was a noble one. A goodly portion of my last two essays in the “A mind is a difficult thing to change” series went towards attempting to explain just how and why they came to feel that way, and to cling to that thought even now in the face of a great deal of evidence to the contrary.

    Simply put, many of them (perhaps particularly the older ones, who lived through the Vietnam era as journalists) think of themselves as beleaguered heroes.

  10. Well, I certainly stand corrected on the oxygen thing!

    But as far as whether Newsweek could have known and should have known, the answers are “yes” and “yes.” That was the point of my Clinton impeachment/Starr report story–if even I was thinking that way years before 9/11, why shouldn’t Newsweek be thinking that way years after? You can’t say they didn’t have ample evidence of the volatility of Moslem fundamentalists. After Salman Rushdie, it has been crystal clear that any liberties taken with the Koran are, quite simply, a cause for death among a sizeable segment of the Moslem population.

    But I agree that the “Isikoff singlehandedly turned triumph to disaster” meme is hyperbole. I certainly hope it is, at any rate–but indeed, I think it is. Alex, you are absolutely correct that our “triumph” in places such as Afghanistan remains tenuous. That is exactly and precisely why the press needs to be extra careful about setting off the spark in that fuel-filled room (and please note that I am now extra-careful about designating what fuel I might be talking about).

  11. Re-evaluation of the media’s responsibility? I used to think that after the Dan Rather thing, but the truth is “the media” is part of a political party in this country and won’t be stopping anytime soon to re-evaluate anything, except how to get its viewpoint out to as many as it can w/o tripping in the process.

    The problems in the media are bigger than you think: Exhibit “A”, Newsweek.

    Next case….

  12. Yesterday, after it significantly registered in my brain the damage this Newsweek “oops” caused, I checked my expiration date on my most recently received copy. I think this deplorable episode has finally done it for me…why am I giving financial support to an organization that I seem to regard as the enemy. I guess I felt I owed it to my sense of fairness in decision making to know what the “other side” was saying. Crazy, huh, that I should consider the news that has political connotions that is reported in one of our country’s major news publications to be so tainted and biased? It’s pathetic that they seemed so consumed by whatever (anti Bush, anti America…what is it that makes them almost always take the negative slant). Anyway, I did put pen to paper and committed a first class stamp to communicate to them that this was probably my personal “last straw”. I added that I was NOT a religious far right extremist and it’s not with pride that I confess that I don’t even much attend church. I didn’t want them to have the excuse to discount the angry passion of my sentiment. I’m just an ordinary person who loves her country and believes it’s an agent of good for the world . Thank you, Neo, as always for hitting the nail so squarely on the head. Hey, I could think of a few useful things to do with that hammer since most of the MSM needs some sense knocked into them.

  13. The idea of determining the effect on the war effort is now passe, for some.

    Years ago, when the country when to war, the country when to war. It was every bodies war, so if you didn’t like it you either found a way to help end it or you jumped on board.

    Somewhere around the time of the first Gulf War, the notion sprang up with fervor that it was no possible to “opt out” of a war. It was “Bush’s War” not mine. I saw this again when the WTC was struck .. the war of terrorism is not “my war” came from places like NPR and was not challenged.

    Once you “opt out,” it is pretty darn easy to think that whatever you do is done as a “neutral.” Just after 9/11, Rather and Jennings in a panel discussion on journals “embedding” with the enemy said that they would cover the story of the enemy attacking US forces before trying to warn them of an impending attack. That position is easy to take when your a “neutral.”

    Newsweek has taken their “oath to neutrality” while blindly tossing about “anonymously sourced” accusations with no need to worry about the “war effort” because it is simply “not their war.” It stands to reason.

    The underlining premise that you can “opt out” of a war is most obvious fallacious when you consider that there were some 3000 folks would probably have liked to “opt out” on the “war on terror” on the morning of 9/11/01, but were not given that choice.

  14. Alex. Why would not experienced journalists expect this result?

    The Palestinians are always going on about the four thousand three hundred and seventy-second holiest site in Islam.

    The Iraqis got upset when Americans fired on a mosque from which Iraqi insurgents were shooting (having defiled the mosque first). This one had numerous iterations.

    Only a fool would not have expected such a result. To ask who of us expected it is a goofy question. The first most of us heard of it was after the riots started, so “expecting” something to follow the report would have been, without a time machine, difficult.

  15. I think you guys are succumbing to some 20/20 hindsight. Neo-neocon says Newsweek published the piece “with reckless disregard for the consequences.” But seriously, who could have predicted such extreme consequences? Who, if anyone, did predict such extreme consequences? It certainly wasn’t common wisdom beforehand that a small news piece, not even involving violence against a human, could spark violent riots. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it caught almost all of us, left and right, by surprise. I don’t doubt that Newsweek was motivated by anti-Bush animus, and had an obligation to fact-check the story better. But to suggest Newsweek should have known this would start riots is, I think, quite unrealistic. To further suggest that they did know is, I think, absurd.

    Neo-neocon´pulled a quote that “Isikoff has singlehandedly turned US triumph in [Afghanistan]to a total disaster.” Besides the fact that “total disaster” is almost certainly hyperbole, it seems strange to give so much credit to Newsweek per se. To me, the situation sadly merits a reevaluation of the apparent earlier “triumph”. If the situation was so volatile that an unsubstantiated story could spark such a response, then it was not as good as we thought. If anti-American feeling was boiling strong enough to be touched off by Newsweek, then it was strong enough to be touched off by any number of things, and probably would have been touched off by something soon enough. For now, I think we should do our best to spread the word that the Koran-flushing almost certainly didn’t happen, console ourselves in the fact that the anti-American feeling has for now taken the form of protests, rather than bombings, and ride it out.

    Lastly, I must concur with Neema that oxygen is not itself combustible, but is simply an agent of combustion. Prove it to your friends.

  16. Neo. Can you conceive of experienced journalists being this dumb by accident?
    Being innocent?
    Not knowing the role the media played in Viet Nam?
    Not knowing how it’s done?

    You may be right, but the least hypothesis is mine.

  17. I was in rural Kenya at the time when Starr was pursuing Clinton- connected to the world beyond by VOA and the BBC- and I shared the worry of how that saga was perceived around the world. It was also the time when Kenya’s US embassy was bombed and Clinton bombed Afghanistan. Such a mix of sex and violence was, I think, a considerable kind of spectacle to those living with poverty and those with a much more conservative worldview. The people I knew purported to see nothing wrong in Clinton’s philandering, and dismissed the reporting somewhat irritably, yet what they objected to most I think was being forced to dwell on it, and having to endure the power politics alongside it. Missiles, penises and massive explosions-often in the same broadcasts- were a very unfortunate combination to say the least.

  18. The world has become like a room filled with propane or pure oxygen–a small spark is all that’s needed for ignition.

    Of course, a spark introduced in a room of pure oxygen will do nothing. Something combustible has to be present, like propane or the spark has to be on a fuel, like wood (matches) or fabric. Even then, all it does it set things on fire, where they will burn hot and bright.

    Now, a room with 5:1 oxygen:propane mix will blow up pretty violently.

    Anyway, great post.

  19. Richard Aubrey–no, I don’t think it was done purposely and knowingly. I think it was done selfishly, stupidly, and with reckless disregard for the consequences. That there was malice towards Bush, his administration, and the military is probably also true. But I don’t think Newsweek foresaw the scope of the response in Afghanistan itself.

  20. It appears the weak-minded–or charitable–among you are presuming this was not done on purpose, with malice aforethought.
    That Newsweek regrets anything else but getting caught.
    That they won’t do it again at the next opportunity.

    Some Muslim clerics are calling for the perps to be handed over to them.
    Since, to be accurate, the perps here are the Newsweek staff, send them.

  21. You know, colagirl, I agree with you. I am getting angrier by the minute. I just read this comment by JRK on Austin Bay’s blog. The content of the comment is extremely disturbing, as you will see if you read it. Extremely. The commenter has worked in Afghanistan, and writes, among other things: The word I receive from Kabuli friends is that Isikoff has singlehandedly turned US triumph in the country to a total disaster.

    I can only hope that word of the retraction gets out and has the effect of cooling down the situation–although, of course, retractions are notorious for never having anywhere near the power of the original lie. I also hope that JRK’s informants were guilty of hyperbole.

  22. Hear hear, neoneocon.

    I am thoroughly disgusted by Newsweek’s actions in this case. I would prefer not to believe it, but it really does look to me like this was motivated by a desire to print actions that appear to be “criticizing” or questioning power, even a dislike for the Bush administration, which led to a *respected* main-stream media source rushing allegations into print because they were “politically correct,” without fact checking or without even considering the consequences.

    On top of Rathergate and Easongate, I gotta say, it’s pretty hard for me to see it any other way. And it’s also pretty hard for me to see the mainstream media in a positive light, let me tell ya.

    That “apology?” Frickin’ weak.

    And people in the main-stream media wonder why they’re not being trusted anymore.

    And it’s like, Go ahead, apologize. Know what? It’s too late. Not only are people dead, but it’s only going to be the allegations that people remember, *not* that lame*** apology and retraction. It’s downright irresponsible. It’s downright irresponsible and f****** frustrating to boot.

    Can you imagine what we could do if the press were actually on board?

    Now that was a good point mentioned on Austin Bay: That the greater problem lies in a violent subculture within Islam where people are willing to kill because they heard a book was defaced (compare and contrast the actions of Christians when that artist whose name I can’t remember right now displayed a statue of the Virgin Mary smeared with elephant dung, if you please). But that doesn’t let Newsweek off the hook. Not in any case. Not that this will lead the MSM to rethink their reflexive anti-Americanism either (psst–guys? Critiques carry a lot more legitimacy if reflexive criticism isn’t your standard operating mode of behavior.)

    No other way around it: Newsweek lied, people died. Period.

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