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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2026 10:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With this kind of initiative, Gavin Newsom should have the 2028 Democratic convention pretty much locked up…

“While claiming to fight corruption, Newsom solicited $340M from special interests for allies”—
https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/newsom-alleges-trump-corruption-while-soliciting-more-340m

Impressive!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With this kind of initiative, Gavin Newsom should have the 2028 Democratic convention pretty much locked up…</p>
<p>“While claiming to fight corruption, Newsom solicited $340M from special interests for allies”—<br />
<a href="https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/newsom-alleges-trump-corruption-while-soliciting-more-340m" rel="nofollow ugc">https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/newsom-alleges-trump-corruption-while-soliciting-more-340m</a></p>
<p>Impressive!</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2026 01:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TommyJay:

The similarity I was pointing at is that graphic artists are concerned that AI companies can train AI on their work thus an AI can learn to produce original work in the same style as that artist.

Then, like the hotshot employee in your example, such an artist may be out of work or suffer reduced income. Although the artist in this case is not developing the AI agent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TommyJay:</p>
<p>The similarity I was pointing at is that graphic artists are concerned that AI companies can train AI on their work thus an AI can learn to produce original work in the same style as that artist.</p>
<p>Then, like the hotshot employee in your example, such an artist may be out of work or suffer reduced income. Although the artist in this case is not developing the AI agent.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2026 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley,
I was aware of Adobe&#039;s early adoption of the subscription model long ago.  Then Microsoft followed, though I believe unlike Adobe you can still make outright purchases of MS software as I did a year or two ago.  (I wasn&#039;t aware of Adobe&#039;s EULA fiasco.  Nearly a 70% decline in the share price of their stock from the peak.)

There is the point that what Nadella is saying about AI agents is rather the exact opposite of what you suggest, though they might well be lying their asses off.

Probably the MS structure would be something like: You (the company) will &quot;own&quot; the AI agents that we will possess in our (MS) datacenters.  OK, does that give the company a warm and fuzzy feeling??  Hmmm.

Kinda like when I &quot;buy&quot; some movie or video content on Amazon Prime.  I&#039;ve had a least one of those purchases fail so far.  Ownership without possession or control.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley,<br />
I was aware of Adobe&#8217;s early adoption of the subscription model long ago.  Then Microsoft followed, though I believe unlike Adobe you can still make outright purchases of MS software as I did a year or two ago.  (I wasn&#8217;t aware of Adobe&#8217;s EULA fiasco.  Nearly a 70% decline in the share price of their stock from the peak.)</p>
<p>There is the point that what Nadella is saying about AI agents is rather the exact opposite of what you suggest, though they might well be lying their asses off.</p>
<p>Probably the MS structure would be something like: You (the company) will &#8220;own&#8221; the AI agents that we will possess in our (MS) datacenters.  OK, does that give the company a warm and fuzzy feeling??  Hmmm.</p>
<p>Kinda like when I &#8220;buy&#8221; some movie or video content on Amazon Prime.  I&#8217;ve had a least one of those purchases fail so far.  Ownership without possession or control.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2026 23:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rarely does science fiction tackle religion, specially Christianity, Arthur C Clarke&#039;s the Star, (dramatized on the new twilight zone in the 80s) about the star system that was extinquished to make the guide stone, that the Magi followed, since then, he had decidely turned against Christianity in the Timescape series, back in the 60s, trek did an allegory of christianity on the Roman Empire planet]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rarely does science fiction tackle religion, specially Christianity, Arthur C Clarke&#8217;s the Star, (dramatized on the new twilight zone in the 80s) about the star system that was extinquished to make the guide stone, that the Magi followed, since then, he had decidely turned against Christianity in the Timescape series, back in the 60s, trek did an allegory of christianity on the Roman Empire planet</p>
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		By: Mike Plaiss		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/06/16/open-thread-6-16-2026/#comment-2854907</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Plaiss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2026 22:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Astronomy Picture of the Day. A classic - one of my favorites of all time.

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astronomy Picture of the Day. A classic &#8211; one of my favorites of all time.</p>
<p><a href="https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html</a></p>
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		By: Buegreen kayak		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2026 22:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re Christ and extra-terrestrial beings: a joke I heard some time back.

A visitor from outer space arrives on Earth, and meets with all our heads of state in an open and friendly discussion. The pope gets a turn and asks our new friend, &quot;Do  you know of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ?&quot; The alien says &quot;We sure do! He visits our planet a lot and it&#039;s always a great time.&quot; The pope, amazed, asks, &quot;Why does He visit you so often?&quot; The alien replies &quot;I don&#039;t know. Maybe he likes our music or our food, or the dancing and celebration. What did you do when He visited you?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Christ and extra-terrestrial beings: a joke I heard some time back.</p>
<p>A visitor from outer space arrives on Earth, and meets with all our heads of state in an open and friendly discussion. The pope gets a turn and asks our new friend, &#8220;Do  you know of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ?&#8221; The alien says &#8220;We sure do! He visits our planet a lot and it&#8217;s always a great time.&#8221; The pope, amazed, asks, &#8220;Why does He visit you so often?&#8221; The alien replies &#8220;I don&#8217;t know. Maybe he likes our music or our food, or the dancing and celebration. What did you do when He visited you?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2026 20:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@huxley:&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Upf_B9RLQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;lock in users to the subscription model, then squeeze them for more and more money.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Let&#039;s say you have a thousand pictures of your deceased mother.
Oh, so sad. What do I do? I make you pay for it. The memories may be yours, but the photos, they&#039;re mine.

So it’s very important, it needs to be nice at first. But then... Yes. Oh, yes. You&#039;re not happy with the way something you really liked turned shitty. What do you do? Contact customer service. Here, talk to a completely useless chatbot. No human available.

Here’s my favourite part: Let&#039;s say someone starts an alternative service. What do we do? We buy them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So why would a PSA from the government of Norway be in English? I think it must be because Europe is almost completely shut out of this kind of thing, it&#039;s all in the hands of American companies, and so they have to try to make us indignant about it so that we can try to get it to change. They&#039;re not wrong, of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@huxley:<i><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Upf_B9RLQ" rel="nofollow ugc">lock in users to the subscription model, then squeeze them for more and more money.</a></i></p>
<blockquote><p>Let&#8217;s say you have a thousand pictures of your deceased mother.<br />
Oh, so sad. What do I do? I make you pay for it. The memories may be yours, but the photos, they&#8217;re mine.</p>
<p>So it’s very important, it needs to be nice at first. But then&#8230; Yes. Oh, yes. You&#8217;re not happy with the way something you really liked turned shitty. What do you do? Contact customer service. Here, talk to a completely useless chatbot. No human available.</p>
<p>Here’s my favourite part: Let&#8217;s say someone starts an alternative service. What do we do? We buy them.</p></blockquote>
<p>So why would a PSA from the government of Norway be in English? I think it must be because Europe is almost completely shut out of this kind of thing, it&#8217;s all in the hands of American companies, and so they have to try to make us indignant about it so that we can try to get it to change. They&#8217;re not wrong, of course.</p>
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		By: bof		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2026 20:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe some Christians have a problem with ETIs, certainly not all of them do. See Alice Maynell&#039;s famous poem &quot;Christ in the Universe&quot;:

https://www.poetry-archive.com/m/christ_in_the_universe/

The concluding stanzas:

But in the eternities,
Doubtless we shall compare together, hear
A million alien Gospels, in what guise
He trod the Pleiades, the Lyre, the Bear.
 
O, be prepared, my soul!
To read the inconceivable, to scan
The myriad forms of God those stars unroll
When, in our turn, we show to them a Man.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe some Christians have a problem with ETIs, certainly not all of them do. See Alice Maynell&#8217;s famous poem &#8220;Christ in the Universe&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.poetry-archive.com/m/christ_in_the_universe/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.poetry-archive.com/m/christ_in_the_universe/</a></p>
<p>The concluding stanzas:</p>
<p>But in the eternities,<br />
Doubtless we shall compare together, hear<br />
A million alien Gospels, in what guise<br />
He trod the Pleiades, the Lyre, the Bear.</p>
<p>O, be prepared, my soul!<br />
To read the inconceivable, to scan<br />
The myriad forms of God those stars unroll<br />
When, in our turn, we show to them a Man.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/06/16/open-thread-6-16-2026/#comment-2854882</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2026 20:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i think her conclusions are overdrawn but she has receipts

https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/2066343347313410289

i think of the mek akin to the social revolutionaries that struck the czarist regime, and served part of the kerensky regime and opposition to the bolsheviks


they provided intelligence, on the nuclear program, when Langley insisted it was impossible, so that earns some credibility, (through the NCIRI) maybe some people were drawn into the web, improperly,

this is a problem with La Causa, the struggle against the Castro regime and it&#039;s puppets, for the first quarter century, they pursued direct action, but there were many disparate factiions, many were ex partisans who fell out with the broad front that the Brothers, had appropriated,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think her conclusions are overdrawn but she has receipts</p>
<p><a href="https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/2066343347313410289" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/2066343347313410289</a></p>
<p>i think of the mek akin to the social revolutionaries that struck the czarist regime, and served part of the kerensky regime and opposition to the bolsheviks</p>
<p>they provided intelligence, on the nuclear program, when Langley insisted it was impossible, so that earns some credibility, (through the NCIRI) maybe some people were drawn into the web, improperly,</p>
<p>this is a problem with La Causa, the struggle against the Castro regime and it&#8217;s puppets, for the first quarter century, they pursued direct action, but there were many disparate factiions, many were ex partisans who fell out with the broad front that the Brothers, had appropriated,</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2026 20:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[a cautionary note,


https://substack.com/home/post/p-202242881

I think they are comparing apples and oranges

yes there is a hunger games absurdity aspect about much of this, why marr a beautiful face like that,

returning to blind squirrel mode, Maher endorses the oysternazi, having learned nothing in the last six years,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a cautionary note,</p>
<p><a href="https://substack.com/home/post/p-202242881" rel="nofollow ugc">https://substack.com/home/post/p-202242881</a></p>
<p>I think they are comparing apples and oranges</p>
<p>yes there is a hunger games absurdity aspect about much of this, why marr a beautiful face like that,</p>
<p>returning to blind squirrel mode, Maher endorses the oysternazi, having learned nothing in the last six years,</p>
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