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		By: R2L		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/06/09/open-thread-6-9-2026/#comment-2854304</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;But every president since Ford has stumbled in the Middle East.&quot;
this is partly because few attempt to really learn about &quot;Islam&quot; and then tackle and discredit the ideology of Islam at its historical and logical source: No Muhammad, no Mecca, no winged horse, no Koran before at least 750AD, perhaps much later???  Also Koran clearly written by men and not &quot;revealed&quot; by Allah. Other scripture a basket case of nonsense.  Possibly evolved from a non-trinitarian group of Arab Christians?  Clearly a tribal and raider based view of supremacy and control, women as chattel, etc.  
Finally a &quot;religion&quot; bastardized from prior Jewish, Christian, and perhaps Zoroastrians sources??
  
And why would the Berbers, Egyptians, Indians/Pakistanis, Persians, Turks, et al. continue to accept a religion imposed by conquest on them, given their current relative power vs. that of the Arabs?  Comparing &quot;western&quot; prosperity and liberty and general social success vs. Islamic societies might be a valid point to emphasize as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But every president since Ford has stumbled in the Middle East.&#8221;<br />
this is partly because few attempt to really learn about &#8220;Islam&#8221; and then tackle and discredit the ideology of Islam at its historical and logical source: No Muhammad, no Mecca, no winged horse, no Koran before at least 750AD, perhaps much later???  Also Koran clearly written by men and not &#8220;revealed&#8221; by Allah. Other scripture a basket case of nonsense.  Possibly evolved from a non-trinitarian group of Arab Christians?  Clearly a tribal and raider based view of supremacy and control, women as chattel, etc.<br />
Finally a &#8220;religion&#8221; bastardized from prior Jewish, Christian, and perhaps Zoroastrians sources??</p>
<p>And why would the Berbers, Egyptians, Indians/Pakistanis, Persians, Turks, et al. continue to accept a religion imposed by conquest on them, given their current relative power vs. that of the Arabs?  Comparing &#8220;western&#8221; prosperity and liberty and general social success vs. Islamic societies might be a valid point to emphasize as well.</p>
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		By: Amadeus48		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/06/09/open-thread-6-9-2026/#comment-2854271</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2026 14:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo--to be clear, I generally support Trump, and I am frustrated by Iran&#039;s apparent ability to string him along and put him on the clock with respect to the US mid-term elections. I don&#039;t think Trump is helping himself or us with pronouncements about a wonderful deal that will be revealed at any moment, and yet never appears. I recall all too well Trump&#039;s business career in which fiascos and successes (and there were many of both) were equally trumpeted as the greatest thing anyone has ever seen. The character in American history he most resembled was P. T. Barnum.  After one and one-half terms as POTUS, in which he has shown remarkable resilience and resolve, he has taken on Iran, and I am afraid he has bitten off more than he can handle. If he can extract some sort of success, wonderful. But at the moment it appears that the mullahs are making a fool of him. But every president since Ford has stumbled in the Middle East.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo&#8211;to be clear, I generally support Trump, and I am frustrated by Iran&#8217;s apparent ability to string him along and put him on the clock with respect to the US mid-term elections. I don&#8217;t think Trump is helping himself or us with pronouncements about a wonderful deal that will be revealed at any moment, and yet never appears. I recall all too well Trump&#8217;s business career in which fiascos and successes (and there were many of both) were equally trumpeted as the greatest thing anyone has ever seen. The character in American history he most resembled was P. T. Barnum.  After one and one-half terms as POTUS, in which he has shown remarkable resilience and resolve, he has taken on Iran, and I am afraid he has bitten off more than he can handle. If he can extract some sort of success, wonderful. But at the moment it appears that the mullahs are making a fool of him. But every president since Ford has stumbled in the Middle East.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/06/09/open-thread-6-9-2026/#comment-2854255</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2026 07:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ miguel - I believed it when I read it earlier today.
Here&#039;s the story that miguel&#039;s link brings up:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/chinks-in-the-plot-armor-monday-june

The guy with the &quot;plot armor&quot; (protection by the deep state) is one of our Covid villains, although not one that&#039;s gotten the most press, as I recall.
Apparently, he is about to be hit by a #MeToo sledgehammer.
Not that Democrats care about that anymore, but the charges look legit to Jeff Childers, who is a lawyer familiar with the genre.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You wanted accountability? I bet you never saw this coming— the latest comeuppance-slash-morality tale with the most unlikely cast of characters, some of the most astonishing plot twists imaginable, and a villain who looks like a poorly groomed garden gnome. On Saturday, the New York Post —and only the New York Post— reported, “Vaccine expert lusted after Northwell Health scientist — then got her canned, she claimed.” Oh, it’s so much more.

I’m just going to say what we are all thinking. Don’t cancel me. Possibly the last person we would ever imagine to be a concupiscent sex pest, taken down by his randy hormonal misadventures, would be one Peter “Captain Bowtie” Hotez, 68, who is much better known as a first-order pandemic villain.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ miguel &#8211; I believed it when I read it earlier today.<br />
Here&#8217;s the story that miguel&#8217;s link brings up:<br />
<a href="https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/chinks-in-the-plot-armor-monday-june" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/chinks-in-the-plot-armor-monday-june</a></p>
<p>The guy with the &#8220;plot armor&#8221; (protection by the deep state) is one of our Covid villains, although not one that&#8217;s gotten the most press, as I recall.<br />
Apparently, he is about to be hit by a #MeToo sledgehammer.<br />
Not that Democrats care about that anymore, but the charges look legit to Jeff Childers, who is a lawyer familiar with the genre.</p>
<blockquote><p>You wanted accountability? I bet you never saw this coming— the latest comeuppance-slash-morality tale with the most unlikely cast of characters, some of the most astonishing plot twists imaginable, and a villain who looks like a poorly groomed garden gnome. On Saturday, the New York Post —and only the New York Post— reported, “Vaccine expert lusted after Northwell Health scientist — then got her canned, she claimed.” Oh, it’s so much more.</p>
<p>I’m just going to say what we are all thinking. Don’t cancel me. Possibly the last person we would ever imagine to be a concupiscent sex pest, taken down by his randy hormonal misadventures, would be one Peter “Captain Bowtie” Hotez, 68, who is much better known as a first-order pandemic villain.
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/06/09/open-thread-6-9-2026/#comment-2854250</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2026 07:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NOTE: I wrote this around 10 Tuesday morning, got a &quot;too many requests&quot; reply, and only now got back to it.

Lot of water under the news bridge since then!

***
AesopSpouse and his immediate family rafted down some river 50 years ago when they capsized. I didn&#039;t go, because we had a couple of kids then who were too young for that adventure.

While the kids were growing up, he took them with the Scouts on river trips every other year, alternating with Philmont. We have some perennial stories from those expeditions, including wrapping an aluminum canoe around a large boulder (one of the other boys).
There were some adventures I didn&#039;t learn about until many years later.

I also didn&#039;t go on the rafting trip about 10 years later with his siblings &#038; in-laws at the Grand Canyon. I didn&#039;t have the kids for an excuse by then, as they were all out of the house. 

Guess it&#039;s just me. ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOTE: I wrote this around 10 Tuesday morning, got a &#8220;too many requests&#8221; reply, and only now got back to it.</p>
<p>Lot of water under the news bridge since then!</p>
<p>***<br />
AesopSpouse and his immediate family rafted down some river 50 years ago when they capsized. I didn&#8217;t go, because we had a couple of kids then who were too young for that adventure.</p>
<p>While the kids were growing up, he took them with the Scouts on river trips every other year, alternating with Philmont. We have some perennial stories from those expeditions, including wrapping an aluminum canoe around a large boulder (one of the other boys).<br />
There were some adventures I didn&#8217;t learn about until many years later.</p>
<p>I also didn&#8217;t go on the rafting trip about 10 years later with his siblings &amp; in-laws at the Grand Canyon. I didn&#8217;t have the kids for an excuse by then, as they were all out of the house. </p>
<p>Guess it&#8217;s just me. 😉</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/06/09/open-thread-6-9-2026/#comment-2854235</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2026 01:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Again, I want to thank Om for his advice.  Duly noted.
By the way, don&#039;t worry about my hair being on fire as there is not enough to worry about.
But just to have the last word.  Patience is truly a virtue.  But it can be  naturally stressed if the  Leader of the World tells you something that proves to not be true dozens of times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I want to thank Om for his advice.  Duly noted.<br />
By the way, don&#8217;t worry about my hair being on fire as there is not enough to worry about.<br />
But just to have the last word.  Patience is truly a virtue.  But it can be  naturally stressed if the  Leader of the World tells you something that proves to not be true dozens of times.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/06/09/open-thread-6-9-2026/#comment-2854210</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 22:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  What’s going on with Fender guitars?

You might have heard the news that Fender has sent “cease and desist” letters to many other guitar makers, with a list of draconian demands--demanding that the stop making guitars duplicating Fender&#039;s ”Stratocaster” body shape, that they destroy all of their existing stock, etc.

This based on a default judgement they got in a court in Dusseldorf, in Germany, which ruled that the shape of Fender’s “Stratocaster” guitar deserved copyright protection under German and European law, because it was an “original creative expression.” 

On the surface, this seems like an extraordinarily stupid, even suicidal decision, one which is already infuriating many in the “guitar community,” especially stupid because most legal experts see a German default ruling as a very weak reed to base such a letter and it&#039;s draconian demands on, especially given the history of Fender guitars and their development, and on directly relevant U.S. court cases.

However, the linked article points out that the majority owner of Fender is now actually a company whose main business is car distribution, and that these are not &quot;guitar people.&quot; 
 
This article also points out that this same company has recently acquired “Reverb”--the major musical instrument marketplace--and the article presents an interesting theory about why this company has decided to make this particular business decision, and to take this seemingly suicidal action.*

•	 See  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvbUJG4bbNs]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  What’s going on with Fender guitars?</p>
<p>You might have heard the news that Fender has sent “cease and desist” letters to many other guitar makers, with a list of draconian demands&#8211;demanding that the stop making guitars duplicating Fender&#8217;s ”Stratocaster” body shape, that they destroy all of their existing stock, etc.</p>
<p>This based on a default judgement they got in a court in Dusseldorf, in Germany, which ruled that the shape of Fender’s “Stratocaster” guitar deserved copyright protection under German and European law, because it was an “original creative expression.” </p>
<p>On the surface, this seems like an extraordinarily stupid, even suicidal decision, one which is already infuriating many in the “guitar community,” especially stupid because most legal experts see a German default ruling as a very weak reed to base such a letter and it&#8217;s draconian demands on, especially given the history of Fender guitars and their development, and on directly relevant U.S. court cases.</p>
<p>However, the linked article points out that the majority owner of Fender is now actually a company whose main business is car distribution, and that these are not &#8220;guitar people.&#8221; </p>
<p>This article also points out that this same company has recently acquired “Reverb”&#8211;the major musical instrument marketplace&#8211;and the article presents an interesting theory about why this company has decided to make this particular business decision, and to take this seemingly suicidal action.*</p>
<p>•	 See  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvbUJG4bbNs" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvbUJG4bbNs</a></p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/06/09/open-thread-6-9-2026/#comment-2854202</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 22:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oldflyer:

If you are out of patience, shout at clouds, or pray, or spend more time on the water, or .....

But don&#039;t light your hair on fire.

I&#039;m not foolish enough to think I can give President Trump foreign policy advice from where I sit and what I know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer:</p>
<p>If you are out of patience, shout at clouds, or pray, or spend more time on the water, or &#8230;..</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t light your hair on fire.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not foolish enough to think I can give President Trump foreign policy advice from where I sit and what I know.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/06/09/open-thread-6-9-2026/#comment-2854198</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 22:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[mkent:

Trump actually promised &quot;no forever wars&quot; and &quot;no endless wars&quot;- and this action against Iran is not that. He promised &quot;no boots on the ground,&quot; and this action against Iran is not that. He also said &quot;I&#039;m not going to start a war, I&#039;m going to stop wars&quot;. Although some would argue that&#039;s a promise he broke, he would say that we&#039;ve already been at war with Iran for 47 years, and he struck in order to stop a larger war.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mkent:</p>
<p>Trump actually promised &#8220;no forever wars&#8221; and &#8220;no endless wars&#8221;- and this action against Iran is not that. He promised &#8220;no boots on the ground,&#8221; and this action against Iran is not that. He also said &#8220;I&#8217;m not going to start a war, I&#8217;m going to stop wars&#8221;. Although some would argue that&#8217;s a promise he broke, he would say that we&#8217;ve already been at war with Iran for 47 years, and he struck in order to stop a larger war.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 22:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amadeus 48:

I guess you&#039;re one of those people who takes Trump literally, which is an error.  So far, in matters not connected with Iran, he&#039;s had a better connection with reality than most people and most politicians and statesman, and has been more effective.

Just to take one example, remember when he warned Western Europe that they shouldn&#039;t depend on Russia for their energy needs, and they laughed at him? Who had the better grip on reality?

That doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;ll be successful in Iran; I have grave doubts about it myself.  But don&#039;t think he means everything he says.  

Oh, and about those weapons of destruction in Iraq - that was almost 25 years ago, and our intelligence-gathering has gotten better.  We&#039;re not guessing about Iran; we know it.  What to do about it is the question.

In addition, see &lt;a href=&quot;https://thenewneo.com/2008/06/07/the-problem-of-pre-emptive-strikes-against-evil-empires-how-to-deal-with-iran/&quot; rel=&quot;ugc&quot;&gt;this post of mine&lt;/a&gt; from 2008, in which I described the situation and which is still relevant now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amadeus 48:</p>
<p>I guess you&#8217;re one of those people who takes Trump literally, which is an error.  So far, in matters not connected with Iran, he&#8217;s had a better connection with reality than most people and most politicians and statesman, and has been more effective.</p>
<p>Just to take one example, remember when he warned Western Europe that they shouldn&#8217;t depend on Russia for their energy needs, and they laughed at him? Who had the better grip on reality?</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;ll be successful in Iran; I have grave doubts about it myself.  But don&#8217;t think he means everything he says.  </p>
<p>Oh, and about those weapons of destruction in Iraq &#8211; that was almost 25 years ago, and our intelligence-gathering has gotten better.  We&#8217;re not guessing about Iran; we know it.  What to do about it is the question.</p>
<p>In addition, see <a href="https://thenewneo.com/2008/06/07/the-problem-of-pre-emptive-strikes-against-evil-empires-how-to-deal-with-iran/" rel="ugc">this post of mine</a> from 2008, in which I described the situation and which is still relevant now.</p>
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		By: mkent		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 21:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;”Remember when we were assured that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?”&lt;/i&gt;

Yup.  And he did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>”Remember when we were assured that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?”</i></p>
<p>Yup.  And he did.</p>
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