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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Paul Nachman:&lt;i&gt;My basic point was that the connection between my birth certificate and the adult me is no more than my testimony. As proof of identity or citizenship, that strikes me as pretty tenuous.&lt;/i&gt;

Equally true of your driver&#039;s license, unless the person you present it to is the same one who issued it to you and has known you the whole time. But no one takes just a birth certificate as an identity document, so this is a straw man.

Have you ever been employed? The I-9 requires proof of identity and proof of work eligibility. The US birth certificate is listed as a document that proves work eligibility but you need a different document for identity. The SAVE Act, for that reason, requires something else to prove identity if you use a birth certificate for citizenship.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul Nachman:<i>My basic point was that the connection between my birth certificate and the adult me is no more than my testimony. As proof of identity or citizenship, that strikes me as pretty tenuous.</i></p>
<p>Equally true of your driver&#8217;s license, unless the person you present it to is the same one who issued it to you and has known you the whole time. But no one takes just a birth certificate as an identity document, so this is a straw man.</p>
<p>Have you ever been employed? The I-9 requires proof of identity and proof of work eligibility. The US birth certificate is listed as a document that proves work eligibility but you need a different document for identity. The SAVE Act, for that reason, requires something else to prove identity if you use a birth certificate for citizenship.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2026 04:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul Nachman on February 26, 2026 at 3:28 pm:
&quot;My basic point was that the connection between my birth certificate and the adult me is no more than my testimony. As proof of identity or citizenship, that strikes me as pretty tenuous.&quot;

At one level it could be even more tenuous, as you probably have that initial BC copy in part because your parents (or your &quot;parents&quot;) told you that you were their child... and you had no reason not to believe them*.  Thus DNA really does or will end up being the core ID source eventually - but even that has to reply on the proper identification of the people supplying the DNA sample as being well established (along with om&#039;s chain of custody).

But at the other end the reliance is really on the &quot;full faith and credit&quot; of the city or state organization/ institution obtaining and recording and storing that data. If they want to count us as citizens and tax us and pass laws that we are expected to follow, then they better also be sufficiently rigorous in maintaining a reliable source of birth identity.  

*In my case I am pretty sure I am not a bastard or adopted because after a 7th grade parent-teacher conference, my teacher told me she could recognize my father because I resembled him so closely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Nachman on February 26, 2026 at 3:28 pm:<br />
&#8220;My basic point was that the connection between my birth certificate and the adult me is no more than my testimony. As proof of identity or citizenship, that strikes me as pretty tenuous.&#8221;</p>
<p>At one level it could be even more tenuous, as you probably have that initial BC copy in part because your parents (or your &#8220;parents&#8221;) told you that you were their child&#8230; and you had no reason not to believe them*.  Thus DNA really does or will end up being the core ID source eventually &#8211; but even that has to reply on the proper identification of the people supplying the DNA sample as being well established (along with om&#8217;s chain of custody).</p>
<p>But at the other end the reliance is really on the &#8220;full faith and credit&#8221; of the city or state organization/ institution obtaining and recording and storing that data. If they want to count us as citizens and tax us and pass laws that we are expected to follow, then they better also be sufficiently rigorous in maintaining a reliable source of birth identity.  </p>
<p>*In my case I am pretty sure I am not a bastard or adopted because after a 7th grade parent-teacher conference, my teacher told me she could recognize my father because I resembled him so closely.</p>
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		By: AppleBetty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AppleBetty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2026 21:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul Nachman: the connection between my birth certificate and the adult me is no more than my testimony. 

To get certified copy of my California birth certificate, good for identification, I had to sign that testimony (the BC request form) in the presence of a notary, and present my ID, a RealID drivers license, to her so she could certify that (the named person) had signed.  

Without that testimony and the notary, the copies would have been marked &quot;Not for Identification.&quot;  (I&#039;ve gotten those too, to document genealogy.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Nachman: the connection between my birth certificate and the adult me is no more than my testimony. </p>
<p>To get certified copy of my California birth certificate, good for identification, I had to sign that testimony (the BC request form) in the presence of a notary, and present my ID, a RealID drivers license, to her so she could certify that (the named person) had signed.  </p>
<p>Without that testimony and the notary, the copies would have been marked &#8220;Not for Identification.&#8221;  (I&#8217;ve gotten those too, to document genealogy.)</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chain of custody does have its uses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chain of custody does have its uses.</p>
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		By: Paul Nachman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Nachman]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[To Kate and Niketas: My basic point was that the connection between my birth certificate and the adult me is no more than my testimony.  As proof of identity or citizenship, that strikes me as pretty tenuous.

And in response to Niketas, this didn&#039;t &quot;occur to me just now.&quot;  It&#039;s been obvious to me for more than a decade, at least from the time I was having discussions with the friend who actually wrote the RealID Act as a House staffer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Kate and Niketas: My basic point was that the connection between my birth certificate and the adult me is no more than my testimony.  As proof of identity or citizenship, that strikes me as pretty tenuous.</p>
<p>And in response to Niketas, this didn&#8217;t &#8220;occur to me just now.&#8221;  It&#8217;s been obvious to me for more than a decade, at least from the time I was having discussions with the friend who actually wrote the RealID Act as a House staffer.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[And when I went as a corporate wife to India, I had to provide a copy of my marriage certificate. They didn&#039;t give resident visas to scarlet women. Those documents are also readily available from the place where the marriage was registered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And when I went as a corporate wife to India, I had to provide a copy of my marriage certificate. They didn&#8217;t give resident visas to scarlet women. Those documents are also readily available from the place where the marriage was registered.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2026 16:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Paul Nachman: I was born in Chicago in 1949. The birth certificate which my parents gave to me was a photocopy on paper and equipment no longer in use by the 1980s. I had used that document to acquire my first passport. When I moved to Connecticut in the &#039;80s, the state wouldn&#039;t accept the old document for a driver&#039;s license. I had to write to Cook County to get a new one, with a raised embossed seal. I&#039;d have to go look at the old one, in my safe deposit box, to see if it had a footprint or some other print, but I think not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul Nachman: I was born in Chicago in 1949. The birth certificate which my parents gave to me was a photocopy on paper and equipment no longer in use by the 1980s. I had used that document to acquire my first passport. When I moved to Connecticut in the &#8217;80s, the state wouldn&#8217;t accept the old document for a driver&#8217;s license. I had to write to Cook County to get a new one, with a raised embossed seal. I&#8217;d have to go look at the old one, in my safe deposit box, to see if it had a footprint or some other print, but I think not.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2026 03:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@martin:&lt;i&gt;Considering the bold lie that women who have married and changed their names will not be able to register all the other stuff pales in comparison.&lt;/i&gt;

Consider that married women taking their husbands&#039; names are underrepresented in the demographic spreading this lie, it makes sense. A lot of them probably just don&#039;t know that women who have changed their names when they married have been navigating this from the beginning and that our legal system knows how to cope with it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@martin:<i>Considering the bold lie that women who have married and changed their names will not be able to register all the other stuff pales in comparison.</i></p>
<p>Consider that married women taking their husbands&#8217; names are underrepresented in the demographic spreading this lie, it makes sense. A lot of them probably just don&#8217;t know that women who have changed their names when they married have been navigating this from the beginning and that our legal system knows how to cope with it.</p>
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		By: martin		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Considering the bold lie that women who have married and changed their names will not be able to register all the other stuff pales in comparison. 
Since married women vote more Republican than unmarried women and I would guess that if you remove women who didn&#039;t take their husbands name that number moves more toward Republicans why would Republicans want to disenfranchise a demographic they are winning?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the bold lie that women who have married and changed their names will not be able to register all the other stuff pales in comparison.<br />
Since married women vote more Republican than unmarried women and I would guess that if you remove women who didn&#8217;t take their husbands name that number moves more toward Republicans why would Republicans want to disenfranchise a demographic they are winning?</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2026 01:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Mongo:&lt;i&gt;I wonder if the state verifies the identity of the person claiming to be the relative of the person for whom the certificate is being requested.&lt;/i&gt;

They do, info at the link, which is why I linked it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Identity and proof of qualifying relationship documentation is required.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mongo:<i>I wonder if the state verifies the identity of the person claiming to be the relative of the person for whom the certificate is being requested.</i></p>
<p>They do, info at the link, which is why I linked it.</p>
<blockquote><p>Identity and proof of qualifying relationship documentation is required.</p></blockquote>
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