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		By: Chuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2026 18:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Mike Plaiss

I&#039;ve been thinking about the accelerating rockets with a chain between them. In this case the results differ depending on whether the rockets are side by side -- no effect --, or one behind the other. In the latter case, in the coordinate system determined by the lagging rocket, the leading rocket needs to accelerate at a lessor rate to maintain the distance, hence the breaking chain. Note that in that coordinate system the trailing rocket is not moving, just accelerating. This isn&#039;t curvature of spacetime because in the side by side case nothing happens, but rather a developable surface, rather like rolling paper into a tube.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike Plaiss</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about the accelerating rockets with a chain between them. In this case the results differ depending on whether the rockets are side by side &#8212; no effect &#8211;, or one behind the other. In the latter case, in the coordinate system determined by the lagging rocket, the leading rocket needs to accelerate at a lessor rate to maintain the distance, hence the breaking chain. Note that in that coordinate system the trailing rocket is not moving, just accelerating. This isn&#8217;t curvature of spacetime because in the side by side case nothing happens, but rather a developable surface, rather like rolling paper into a tube.</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Sells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2026 05:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rufus&#039; mention of &lt;i&gt;Cosmos&lt;/i&gt; struck a chord; that was the main gateway to astronomy for me, I think. Not that I ever became much good at physics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rufus&#8217; mention of <i>Cosmos</i> struck a chord; that was the main gateway to astronomy for me, I think. Not that I ever became much good at physics.</p>
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		By: Chuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2026 00:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Ludwig Boltzman, who spent much of his life studying statistical mechanics, died in 1906, by his own hand. Paul Ehrenfest, carrying on the work, died similarly in 1933. Now it is our turn to study statistical mechanics.&lt;/i&gt;

David L. Goodstein&#039;s 1975 textbook &quot;States of Matter&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ludwig Boltzman, who spent much of his life studying statistical mechanics, died in 1906, by his own hand. Paul Ehrenfest, carrying on the work, died similarly in 1933. Now it is our turn to study statistical mechanics.</i></p>
<p>David L. Goodstein&#8217;s 1975 textbook &#8220;States of Matter&#8221;</p>
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		By: Yawrate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yawrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2026 22:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, I understand you are trying to get a handle on advanced physics. But understanding relativity is a first step. Please consider a book by Brian Cox, Why Does E = mC2? It will give you a foundation in relativity using only algebra!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, I understand you are trying to get a handle on advanced physics. But understanding relativity is a first step. Please consider a book by Brian Cox, Why Does E = mC2? It will give you a foundation in relativity using only algebra!</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R2L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2026 04:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RTF, great set of comments tonight, including: 
&quot;Legislative laws are the same as scientific laws. If results don’t match the hypothesis, the thesis behind the law is invalid.&quot;  Except tell that to the judge, who will then tell you to write your Congressman about changing the law (or to write your appeal) ... from jail!  :-) 

@ Niketas Choniates: 
&quot;All your events have space and time coordinates marked on the graph paper.&quot; One of the ideas I still really struggle over is trying to unlearn the Newtonian concept of gravity as a force between masses and replace it with &quot;the presence of mass concentrations somehow distorts or bends the space-time continuum&quot;.  And if the universe includes the creation of &quot;time&quot; then any language discussing before, during, or after something relating to the universe&#039;s creation becomes ... what? 

And speaking of Time (at 12:02pm), Niketas: &quot;... He certainly could appear to everyone face-to-face as He did with Moses...&quot;
Some years ago (shortly before, during, or after 2008 I think) I read something from Christopher Hitchens wherein he stated that Moses had done something (I forget that detail now) in 1205 BCE. I thought this reference was from his book God Is Not Great, but I could not find that mentioned therein upon relooking for it. It may have been one of his other writings? But it stuck with me because 1) it was a very specific date when my prior exposure to the &quot;time of Moses&quot; was rather more vague (13th Century, or some such, if mentioned at all); and 2) it was a number, which I tend to remember better than words.
Does anyone have any idea why Hitchens would have mentioned that specific year? I thought it might be going backward from King Solomon or something like that, except I understood the history of Solomon was not definitively known that well either. (??)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RTF, great set of comments tonight, including:<br />
&#8220;Legislative laws are the same as scientific laws. If results don’t match the hypothesis, the thesis behind the law is invalid.&#8221;  Except tell that to the judge, who will then tell you to write your Congressman about changing the law (or to write your appeal) &#8230; from jail!  🙂 </p>
<p>@ Niketas Choniates:<br />
&#8220;All your events have space and time coordinates marked on the graph paper.&#8221; One of the ideas I still really struggle over is trying to unlearn the Newtonian concept of gravity as a force between masses and replace it with &#8220;the presence of mass concentrations somehow distorts or bends the space-time continuum&#8221;.  And if the universe includes the creation of &#8220;time&#8221; then any language discussing before, during, or after something relating to the universe&#8217;s creation becomes &#8230; what? </p>
<p>And speaking of Time (at 12:02pm), Niketas: &#8220;&#8230; He certainly could appear to everyone face-to-face as He did with Moses&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Some years ago (shortly before, during, or after 2008 I think) I read something from Christopher Hitchens wherein he stated that Moses had done something (I forget that detail now) in 1205 BCE. I thought this reference was from his book God Is Not Great, but I could not find that mentioned therein upon relooking for it. It may have been one of his other writings? But it stuck with me because 1) it was a very specific date when my prior exposure to the &#8220;time of Moses&#8221; was rather more vague (13th Century, or some such, if mentioned at all); and 2) it was a number, which I tend to remember better than words.<br />
Does anyone have any idea why Hitchens would have mentioned that specific year? I thought it might be going backward from King Solomon or something like that, except I understood the history of Solomon was not definitively known that well either. (??)</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2026 03:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@MikePlaiss:&lt;i&gt;One day in my life, and it was all of one day, I got it into my head to try and solve a few problems involving Lorenz transformations. Leonard Suskind made it look downright easy in a videotaped lesson on special relativity. It was a pretty demoralizing experience.&lt;/i&gt;

Easier if you use graph paper and follow some simple rules. All your events have space and time coordinates marked on the graph paper. They will stay in the same place, but the coordinate systems you draw for different reference frames will shift while the events stay put. Then you can just read off the transformations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MikePlaiss:<i>One day in my life, and it was all of one day, I got it into my head to try and solve a few problems involving Lorenz transformations. Leonard Suskind made it look downright easy in a videotaped lesson on special relativity. It was a pretty demoralizing experience.</i></p>
<p>Easier if you use graph paper and follow some simple rules. All your events have space and time coordinates marked on the graph paper. They will stay in the same place, but the coordinate systems you draw for different reference frames will shift while the events stay put. Then you can just read off the transformations.</p>
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		By: Chuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2026 00:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;but the pieces were there&lt;/i&gt;

And one could say the same of the photo-electric effect, the stimulated emission of light, and non-equilibrium thermodynamics. The remarkable thing is their simplicity, not their profound mathematics. Einstein&#039;s genius was pulling out fundamental principles and making deductions from them. Newton was the same, and arguably Dirac. The classical model is Euclid. This is not to say this is how they discovered things, but it is how they organized and presented results. Such an approach is a form of generalization, much is suggested beyond the immediate observations that motivated the discoveries. Oh, I would also throw in the equivalence principle. It wasn&#039;t new, but Einstein made it fundamental in general relativity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>but the pieces were there</i></p>
<p>And one could say the same of the photo-electric effect, the stimulated emission of light, and non-equilibrium thermodynamics. The remarkable thing is their simplicity, not their profound mathematics. Einstein&#8217;s genius was pulling out fundamental principles and making deductions from them. Newton was the same, and arguably Dirac. The classical model is Euclid. This is not to say this is how they discovered things, but it is how they organized and presented results. Such an approach is a form of generalization, much is suggested beyond the immediate observations that motivated the discoveries. Oh, I would also throw in the equivalence principle. It wasn&#8217;t new, but Einstein made it fundamental in general relativity.</p>
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		By: Mike Plaiss		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Plaiss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2026 00:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Random, and mostly useless, thoughts on Lorentz transformations. I’ve always been intrigued with the period 1887-1905 and have read a lot about it. In 1887 the Michelson–Morley experiment found no variation in the speed of light for a moving observer when any dunder-head could see there should have been. 1905 brought Einstein and special relativity. What was going on in between?

Two physicists Lorentz and Fitzgerald were dancing all around the right answer and had even come up with the concept of length contraction. Lorentz developed formulas for translating coordinates for observers moving at different speeds in a world where the speed of light is measured as the same by all observers.

One day in my life, and it was all of one day, I got it into my head to try and solve a few problems involving Lorenz transformations. Leonard Suskind made it look downright easy in a videotaped lesson on special relativity. It was a pretty demoralizing experience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random, and mostly useless, thoughts on Lorentz transformations. I’ve always been intrigued with the period 1887-1905 and have read a lot about it. In 1887 the Michelson–Morley experiment found no variation in the speed of light for a moving observer when any dunder-head could see there should have been. 1905 brought Einstein and special relativity. What was going on in between?</p>
<p>Two physicists Lorentz and Fitzgerald were dancing all around the right answer and had even come up with the concept of length contraction. Lorentz developed formulas for translating coordinates for observers moving at different speeds in a world where the speed of light is measured as the same by all observers.</p>
<p>One day in my life, and it was all of one day, I got it into my head to try and solve a few problems involving Lorenz transformations. Leonard Suskind made it look downright easy in a videotaped lesson on special relativity. It was a pretty demoralizing experience.</p>
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		By: Boobah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boobah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2026 23:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Another possible explanation involves the Milky Way’s rotation. Due to an effect called the Doppler shift, astronomers expect galaxies rotating opposite to the Milky Way’s motion to appear brighter, which could explain their overrepresentation in telescopic surveys.

“If that is indeed the case, we will need to re-calibrate our distance measurements for the deep universe,” Shamir explains in the statement.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I’m not going to try to tackle that one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

One of the ways long distances are measured is looking at the subjective brightness of objects that have a known objective brightness*.  So if the subjective brightness was altered in some way, the measured distance will come out different.]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>Another possible explanation involves the Milky Way’s rotation. Due to an effect called the Doppler shift, astronomers expect galaxies rotating opposite to the Milky Way’s motion to appear brighter, which could explain their overrepresentation in telescopic surveys.</p>
<p>“If that is indeed the case, we will need to re-calibrate our distance measurements for the deep universe,” Shamir explains in the statement.</p></blockquote>
<p>I’m not going to try to tackle that one.</p></blockquote>
<p>One of the ways long distances are measured is looking at the subjective brightness of objects that have a known objective brightness*.  So if the subjective brightness was altered in some way, the measured distance will come out different.</p>
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		By: Mrs Whatsit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2026 22:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As an optimistic young woman, I tried to read Bertrand Russell&#039;s &quot;The ABC of Relativity.&quot; I made it through only the first chapter or so before giving up in dismay at the adamantine unreceptiveness of my supposedly so-smart brain. Years later, my teenaged nephew, neither particularly cerebral nor known for his mathematical ability, read it and explained it to me so simply and clearly that -- for at least five minutes -- I understood exactly what he said. 

And then there&#039;s this: &quot;This theory would support what’s known as black hole cosmology: the hypothesis that our universe exists within a black hole that exists within another parent universe. In other words, black holes create universes within themselves, meaning that the black holes in our own universe also lead to other baby universes.&quot; This was my mind-blown experience for today. Condensed, as I understand it, into everyday English, this means that it really is turtles all the way down!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an optimistic young woman, I tried to read Bertrand Russell&#8217;s &#8220;The ABC of Relativity.&#8221; I made it through only the first chapter or so before giving up in dismay at the adamantine unreceptiveness of my supposedly so-smart brain. Years later, my teenaged nephew, neither particularly cerebral nor known for his mathematical ability, read it and explained it to me so simply and clearly that &#8212; for at least five minutes &#8212; I understood exactly what he said. </p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s this: &#8220;This theory would support what’s known as black hole cosmology: the hypothesis that our universe exists within a black hole that exists within another parent universe. In other words, black holes create universes within themselves, meaning that the black holes in our own universe also lead to other baby universes.&#8221; This was my mind-blown experience for today. Condensed, as I understand it, into everyday English, this means that it really is turtles all the way down!</p>
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