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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/01/16/replacing-obamacare-trumps-health-insurance-plan/#comment-2837951</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2026 01:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;In 1935, a 25 year old male had only a 63% of surviving to age 65. In 2025, a 25 year old male is estimated to have an 84% of surviving to age 68.&lt;/i&gt;
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People live longer.  The adjustment is to raise payroll tax levies and increase the retirement age.  Unlike Europe, we&#039;re not seeing long term decline in the size of annual birth cohorts.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In 1935, a 25 year old male had only a 63% of surviving to age 65. In 2025, a 25 year old male is estimated to have an 84% of surviving to age 68.</i><br />
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People live longer.  The adjustment is to raise payroll tax levies and increase the retirement age.  Unlike Europe, we&#8217;re not seeing long term decline in the size of annual birth cohorts.<br />
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		By: AppleBetty		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/01/16/replacing-obamacare-trumps-health-insurance-plan/#comment-2837946</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2026 00:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E, thank you very much for the post on BMI and Medicare.  It inspired an very productive discussion with preplexity.ai / google gemini.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E, thank you very much for the post on BMI and Medicare.  It inspired an very productive discussion with preplexity.ai / google gemini.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/01/16/replacing-obamacare-trumps-health-insurance-plan/#comment-2837921</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2026 20:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;You might be gratified to know that The Everett Clinic was purchased by Optum United though and is no longer locally owned and is known as Optum Care.

Providence Health and Services covers five Western states, New Mexico, Texas, and Hyderabad in India.&quot; -
Niketas C.

I&#039;m all too aware of that. My issue is that in this area we cannot doctor shop or choose our own doctors. Even if we could go to Seattle now, the health organizations will assign us a doctor.  There is little choice - no competition. True of every specialty. I have a lot of skin cancer - I&#039;ve been assigned to a dermatologist that I don&#039;t really care for. I&#039;d like to change but cannot.  

We can no longer drive on the freeways, so we&#039;re confined to the local area for medical care.  And we are forced by these monopolies to take what they give us. 

And speaking of Optum, the new owner of Everett Clinic. I never had an issue with billing before they took over. Three times in the last year I have had to wrangle with them over the fact that they fouled up the way they submitted a bill to Tricare for Life, resulting in Tricare rejecting the bill.

Creating these medical bureaucracies has driven doctors out of private practice decreasing choice and competition.  Only the bureaucracies have benefitted from this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You might be gratified to know that The Everett Clinic was purchased by Optum United though and is no longer locally owned and is known as Optum Care.</p>
<p>Providence Health and Services covers five Western states, New Mexico, Texas, and Hyderabad in India.&#8221; &#8211;<br />
Niketas C.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all too aware of that. My issue is that in this area we cannot doctor shop or choose our own doctors. Even if we could go to Seattle now, the health organizations will assign us a doctor.  There is little choice &#8211; no competition. True of every specialty. I have a lot of skin cancer &#8211; I&#8217;ve been assigned to a dermatologist that I don&#8217;t really care for. I&#8217;d like to change but cannot.  </p>
<p>We can no longer drive on the freeways, so we&#8217;re confined to the local area for medical care.  And we are forced by these monopolies to take what they give us. </p>
<p>And speaking of Optum, the new owner of Everett Clinic. I never had an issue with billing before they took over. Three times in the last year I have had to wrangle with them over the fact that they fouled up the way they submitted a bill to Tricare for Life, resulting in Tricare rejecting the bill.</p>
<p>Creating these medical bureaucracies has driven doctors out of private practice decreasing choice and competition.  Only the bureaucracies have benefitted from this.</p>
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		By: AppleBetty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2026 19:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E: Both SS and Medicare need to be means tested. That used to get Democrats hackles up when I suggested they’re essentially welfare, but both programs are a form of welfare, as they’re now administered.

Brian, this isn&#039;t just economics.  When the gov&#039;t taxed me for them, the gov&#039;t told me that social security and medicare were an annuity and a medical insurance program.  I saw that to be the case for my parents, and so I trusted the gov&#039;t.  These programs are a big fraction of my relationship w/ the gov&#039;t.  Breaking them would break a big fraction of my remaining trust in the government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E: Both SS and Medicare need to be means tested. That used to get Democrats hackles up when I suggested they’re essentially welfare, but both programs are a form of welfare, as they’re now administered.</p>
<p>Brian, this isn&#8217;t just economics.  When the gov&#8217;t taxed me for them, the gov&#8217;t told me that social security and medicare were an annuity and a medical insurance program.  I saw that to be the case for my parents, and so I trusted the gov&#8217;t.  These programs are a big fraction of my relationship w/ the gov&#8217;t.  Breaking them would break a big fraction of my remaining trust in the government.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2026 15:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Art Deco:&lt;i&gt;No, we do not have an inverted population pyramid.&lt;/i&gt;

What I said was &lt;i&gt;the population pyramid &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; invert&lt;b&gt;ing.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; Critical difference there.

Simple matter of applying the actuarial tables to the population pyramid today.

It is in the process of inverting now and &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2100/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;will be inverted in the future&lt;/a&gt; unless demographics quickly and radically change. Filling in with immigrants who don&#039;t assimilate would change that quickly and radically, but brings other problems. Much higher TFR would change that but not quickly.

&lt;i&gt;Ayn Rand took her bloody Social Security benefits.&lt;/i&gt;

Did she and her husband pay taxes? That part isn&#039;t optional, as I recall. If they paid taxes, and already in it against their will, why should they have forgone the benefits?

I&#039;d give up my benefits, if I&#039;ll ever be offered them, if I got all my payroll taxes back with interest, which I won&#039;t because the money was already spent on people who got their benefits.

&lt;i&gt;When Congress enacted Social Security in 1935...&lt;/i&gt;

In &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ssa.gov/oact/NOTES/as120/LifeTables_Tbl_7_1900.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;1935&lt;/a&gt;, a 25 year old male had only a 63% of surviving to age 65. In &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ssa.gov/oact/NOTES/as120/LifeTables_Tbl_7_2000.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;2025&lt;/a&gt;, a 25 year old male is estimated to have an 84% of surviving to age 68.

In 1965, when that 25 year old from 1935 was retirement age, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ssa.gov/history/ratios.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;there were 4 people working to pay his benefits.&lt;/a&gt; In 2068, when the 25 year old from 2025 is retirement age, there will be &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2068/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;an inverted population pyramid&lt;/a&gt;. 20% of the population will be 70+, only 59% of the population will be of working age, and at &lt;a href=&quot;https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;at typical labor force participation rates&lt;/a&gt; fewer than 40% of the total population could be assumed to actually work. Consequently for every retiree 70 and above, about 2 people or fewer would be working to support him. And those same people of course supporting children as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Art Deco:<i>No, we do not have an inverted population pyramid.</i></p>
<p>What I said was <i>the population pyramid <b>is</b> invert<b>ing.</b></i> Critical difference there.</p>
<p>Simple matter of applying the actuarial tables to the population pyramid today.</p>
<p>It is in the process of inverting now and <a href="https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2100/" rel="nofollow ugc">will be inverted in the future</a> unless demographics quickly and radically change. Filling in with immigrants who don&#8217;t assimilate would change that quickly and radically, but brings other problems. Much higher TFR would change that but not quickly.</p>
<p><i>Ayn Rand took her bloody Social Security benefits.</i></p>
<p>Did she and her husband pay taxes? That part isn&#8217;t optional, as I recall. If they paid taxes, and already in it against their will, why should they have forgone the benefits?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d give up my benefits, if I&#8217;ll ever be offered them, if I got all my payroll taxes back with interest, which I won&#8217;t because the money was already spent on people who got their benefits.</p>
<p><i>When Congress enacted Social Security in 1935&#8230;</i></p>
<p>In <a href="https://www.ssa.gov/oact/NOTES/as120/LifeTables_Tbl_7_1900.html" rel="nofollow ugc">1935</a>, a 25 year old male had only a 63% of surviving to age 65. In <a href="https://www.ssa.gov/oact/NOTES/as120/LifeTables_Tbl_7_2000.html" rel="nofollow ugc">2025</a>, a 25 year old male is estimated to have an 84% of surviving to age 68.</p>
<p>In 1965, when that 25 year old from 1935 was retirement age, <a href="https://www.ssa.gov/history/ratios.html" rel="nofollow ugc">there were 4 people working to pay his benefits.</a> In 2068, when the 25 year old from 2025 is retirement age, there will be <a href="https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2068/" rel="nofollow ugc">an inverted population pyramid</a>. 20% of the population will be 70+, only 59% of the population will be of working age, and at <a href="https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART" rel="nofollow ugc">at typical labor force participation rates</a> fewer than 40% of the total population could be assumed to actually work. Consequently for every retiree 70 and above, about 2 people or fewer would be working to support him. And those same people of course supporting children as well.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2026 13:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;This is essentially an argument for no Social Security and letting people keep their money. I’d go for that.&lt;/i&gt;
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Ayn Rand took her bloody Social Security benefits.
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When Congress enacted Social Security in 1935, the ratio of members voting for the legislation to the sum of those voting against or not voting was 5.8 to 1.  Two thirds of the Republican opposition favored the legislation.  A prominent dissenter was James Wadsworth; IIRC his complaints were practical, not normative.  
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No, we do not have an inverted population pyramid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is essentially an argument for no Social Security and letting people keep their money. I’d go for that.</i><br />
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Ayn Rand took her bloody Social Security benefits.<br />
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When Congress enacted Social Security in 1935, the ratio of members voting for the legislation to the sum of those voting against or not voting was 5.8 to 1.  Two thirds of the Republican opposition favored the legislation.  A prominent dissenter was James Wadsworth; IIRC his complaints were practical, not normative.<br />
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No, we do not have an inverted population pyramid.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2026 13:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“Both SS and Medicare need to be means tested.”&lt;/i&gt;
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No, they do not.  The programs would be more actuarially sound if you did the following:
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(a) Stop awarding disability benefits to people for &#039;anxiety disorders&#039; and &#039;mood disorders&#039;.  Critics of the disability program have also suggested some procedural modifications.
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(b) Institute cohort-specific retirement ages.  The age for a given cohort would float during the course of the subject&#039;s work life, then freeze when said cohort reached age 55.  The utility of this is that you can arrange for the ratio of beneficiaries to workers to bounce around a set point.
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(c) Maintain expenditures on Medicaid and Medicare at a roughly fixed % of total personal income flow by instituting a deductible and adjusting annually.
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It might also help if you financed Medicaid as follows:
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(i) A distribution to the states and territories of a value which is a formulaically determined % of total personal income flow.  The distribution to each state or territory would be positively correlated with population and inversely correlated with per capita personal income therein.
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(ii) a flat tax on total personal income set to finance long term care (in conjunction with a portion of the federal grant).
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(iii) a flat tax on the income you have below a certain level which resolves to a capitation if your income exceeds that level.  The capitation would be a function of nominal personal income per capita in your state and would be adjusted annually.  This tax would provide a portion of the financing of regular medical care for the impecunious, the rest being provided by a share of the federal grant and premiums paid by those who sign up.
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(iv) a flat tax on any income you have in excess of a certain threshold. The threshold would be a function of the population of your household.  This tax would be assessed by the state retrospectively.  The levy rate would be stiff but pro-rated according to the proportion of the year you were on the Medicaid rolls.  This can replace the formal means test for Medicaid.
==
Posit the deductible for Medicaid financing of long term care would be (as it is now) contingent on your attachable assets and income and not a fixed dollar value.  That for financing medical care would have a fixed dollar value (adjustable annually) and possibly co-pays as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Both SS and Medicare need to be means tested.”</i><br />
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No, they do not.  The programs would be more actuarially sound if you did the following:<br />
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(a) Stop awarding disability benefits to people for &#8216;anxiety disorders&#8217; and &#8216;mood disorders&#8217;.  Critics of the disability program have also suggested some procedural modifications.<br />
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(b) Institute cohort-specific retirement ages.  The age for a given cohort would float during the course of the subject&#8217;s work life, then freeze when said cohort reached age 55.  The utility of this is that you can arrange for the ratio of beneficiaries to workers to bounce around a set point.<br />
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(c) Maintain expenditures on Medicaid and Medicare at a roughly fixed % of total personal income flow by instituting a deductible and adjusting annually.<br />
==<br />
It might also help if you financed Medicaid as follows:<br />
==<br />
(i) A distribution to the states and territories of a value which is a formulaically determined % of total personal income flow.  The distribution to each state or territory would be positively correlated with population and inversely correlated with per capita personal income therein.<br />
==<br />
(ii) a flat tax on total personal income set to finance long term care (in conjunction with a portion of the federal grant).<br />
==<br />
(iii) a flat tax on the income you have below a certain level which resolves to a capitation if your income exceeds that level.  The capitation would be a function of nominal personal income per capita in your state and would be adjusted annually.  This tax would provide a portion of the financing of regular medical care for the impecunious, the rest being provided by a share of the federal grant and premiums paid by those who sign up.<br />
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(iv) a flat tax on any income you have in excess of a certain threshold. The threshold would be a function of the population of your household.  This tax would be assessed by the state retrospectively.  The levy rate would be stiff but pro-rated according to the proportion of the year you were on the Medicaid rolls.  This can replace the formal means test for Medicaid.<br />
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Posit the deductible for Medicaid financing of long term care would be (as it is now) contingent on your attachable assets and income and not a fixed dollar value.  That for financing medical care would have a fixed dollar value (adjustable annually) and possibly co-pays as well.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/01/16/replacing-obamacare-trumps-health-insurance-plan/#comment-2837882</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2026 04:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@R2L:&lt;i&gt;If you saved and invested for retirement and for your elder healthcare, you should not have to subsidize someone who did not, but put their decent income stream into buying new cars every two years and taking lavish vacations or other lifestyle expenses.&lt;/i&gt;

This is essentially an argument for no Social Security and letting people keep their money. I&#039;d go for that.

But like I said, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2100/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;the population pyramid is inverting,&lt;/a&gt; so moot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@R2L:<i>If you saved and invested for retirement and for your elder healthcare, you should not have to subsidize someone who did not, but put their decent income stream into buying new cars every two years and taking lavish vacations or other lifestyle expenses.</i></p>
<p>This is essentially an argument for no Social Security and letting people keep their money. I&#8217;d go for that.</p>
<p>But like I said, <a href="https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2100/" rel="nofollow ugc">the population pyramid is inverting,</a> so moot.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R2L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2026 04:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ NC: &quot;We probably won’t like what it is.&quot;
This led me to visualize a campaign of bill board signs across the country showing:

Reality Is Not Optional  [in 3 ft high letters]
(Source: blogger LG, 2022)

We Probably Won&#039;t Like What It Is   [in 3 ft high letters]
(Source: blogger NC, 2026)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ NC: &#8220;We probably won’t like what it is.&#8221;<br />
This led me to visualize a campaign of bill board signs across the country showing:</p>
<p>Reality Is Not Optional  [in 3 ft high letters]<br />
(Source: blogger LG, 2022)</p>
<p>We Probably Won&#8217;t Like What It Is   [in 3 ft high letters]<br />
(Source: blogger NC, 2026)</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R2L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2026 04:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E on January 16, 2026 at 8:35 pm:
&quot;Both SS and Medicare need to be means tested.&quot;
But means tested how? Or against what metric?
I suggest it has to be based on income during your working life, rather than your income during retirement.
If you saved and invested for retirement and for your elder healthcare, you should not have to subsidize someone who did not, but put their decent income stream into buying new cars every two years and taking lavish vacations or other lifestyle expenses. 

As it is, after paying regular tax rates on the 85% fraction of our SS income, plus taking out our Medicare premiums, we net about 40% of the nominally received (and COLA adjusted) SS amount. Fortunately we don&#039;t really need that income so we gift the bulk of what is left to the kids and grandkids so they have a cushion for when the system collapses and the government comes looking at taxing their income to fix the mess. And luckily SS does not fall under the added 3.8% factor for net investment income tax (NIIT) passed as part of the Obamacare hoax [at least not yet!!].]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E on January 16, 2026 at 8:35 pm:<br />
&#8220;Both SS and Medicare need to be means tested.&#8221;<br />
But means tested how? Or against what metric?<br />
I suggest it has to be based on income during your working life, rather than your income during retirement.<br />
If you saved and invested for retirement and for your elder healthcare, you should not have to subsidize someone who did not, but put their decent income stream into buying new cars every two years and taking lavish vacations or other lifestyle expenses. </p>
<p>As it is, after paying regular tax rates on the 85% fraction of our SS income, plus taking out our Medicare premiums, we net about 40% of the nominally received (and COLA adjusted) SS amount. Fortunately we don&#8217;t really need that income so we gift the bulk of what is left to the kids and grandkids so they have a cushion for when the system collapses and the government comes looking at taxing their income to fix the mess. And luckily SS does not fall under the added 3.8% factor for net investment income tax (NIIT) passed as part of the Obamacare hoax [at least not yet!!].</p>
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