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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Niketas - thanks for the corrections. I should have looked closer at the dates.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Niketas &#8211; thanks for the corrections. I should have looked closer at the dates.<br />
Gotta give up my night-owl commenting habit for the New Year!</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2026/01/07/did-cruz-and-rubio-change-their-minds-on-j6/#comment-2836868</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2026 13:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@AesopFan:&lt;i&gt;I think both of them (and many others) gave a knee-jerk response the day of and shortly after J6... The seventy-two hour rule is good for bloggers &#038; commenters, high officials and news “stars” usually have to produce a response sooner than that.&lt;/i&gt;

What I linked to from Cruz was from May 2021, which is about 3000 hours later, not less than 72. Still up on his website today, I just checked. (Don&#039;t take my word for it, click the link and check it yourself, keep me honest.)

Checking neo&#039;s posts on J6 I found &lt;a href=&quot;https://thenewneo.com/page/4/?s=january+6&quot; rel=&quot;ugc&quot;&gt;lots of stuff questioning that narrative dating from well before Cruz&#039;s statement &lt;/a&gt;of May 28, 2021. Either at that time Cruz knew less than neo was able to find out--or he knew more, which I think is a bit more likely. If by May his information was less complete, that was his choice, considering his position.

More than one person here besides myself has said it, a lot happened on J6 and some protesters were definitely violent that day, even if as the Left says about their own violence it was &quot;mostly peaceful&quot;. But we in the online world have a lot of people applying binary logic to a complex event.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AesopFan:<i>I think both of them (and many others) gave a knee-jerk response the day of and shortly after J6&#8230; The seventy-two hour rule is good for bloggers &amp; commenters, high officials and news “stars” usually have to produce a response sooner than that.</i></p>
<p>What I linked to from Cruz was from May 2021, which is about 3000 hours later, not less than 72. Still up on his website today, I just checked. (Don&#8217;t take my word for it, click the link and check it yourself, keep me honest.)</p>
<p>Checking neo&#8217;s posts on J6 I found <a href="https://thenewneo.com/page/4/?s=january+6" rel="ugc">lots of stuff questioning that narrative dating from well before Cruz&#8217;s statement </a>of May 28, 2021. Either at that time Cruz knew less than neo was able to find out&#8211;or he knew more, which I think is a bit more likely. If by May his information was less complete, that was his choice, considering his position.</p>
<p>More than one person here besides myself has said it, a lot happened on J6 and some protesters were definitely violent that day, even if as the Left says about their own violence it was &#8220;mostly peaceful&#8221;. But we in the online world have a lot of people applying binary logic to a complex event.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2026 07:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ huxley &#062; &quot;I can understand Cruz and Rubio shading their words words one way before Trump and another way after Trump.&quot;

Trump 2016 or Trump 2024?
Remember: Trump dissed both of them severely in the 2016 primary.
I don&#039;t remember what Rubio did after the election, but Cruz swallowed his pride and buckled down to support the MAGA agenda in 2016-2020, and IIRC commended Trump when he earned it.
So, neither of them was really FOND of Trump in January 2021, but Cruz was still working on his side to present some of the arguments for pausing the election certification.

NOW, they are both sold on MAGA, which means working to push Trump&#039;s agenda, and perforce their POV on things has changed, leading to different &quot;shading&quot; of their words in re Trump himself.

However, as I said on another thread, I think both of them (and many others) gave a knee-jerk response the day of and shortly after J6, based on the videos being broadcast, because the Senators did not personally see anything while in the building and then being evacuated.

I would have preferred a little more &quot;Let&#039;s wait and see all the evidence before drawing conclusions about anything.&quot;
But that sounds &quot;weaselly&quot;, doesn&#039;t it?

The seventy-two hour rule is good for bloggers &#038; commenters, but high officials and news &quot;stars&quot; usually have to produce a response sooner than that.

Sometimes they get it wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ huxley &gt; &#8220;I can understand Cruz and Rubio shading their words words one way before Trump and another way after Trump.&#8221;</p>
<p>Trump 2016 or Trump 2024?<br />
Remember: Trump dissed both of them severely in the 2016 primary.<br />
I don&#8217;t remember what Rubio did after the election, but Cruz swallowed his pride and buckled down to support the MAGA agenda in 2016-2020, and IIRC commended Trump when he earned it.<br />
So, neither of them was really FOND of Trump in January 2021, but Cruz was still working on his side to present some of the arguments for pausing the election certification.</p>
<p>NOW, they are both sold on MAGA, which means working to push Trump&#8217;s agenda, and perforce their POV on things has changed, leading to different &#8220;shading&#8221; of their words in re Trump himself.</p>
<p>However, as I said on another thread, I think both of them (and many others) gave a knee-jerk response the day of and shortly after J6, based on the videos being broadcast, because the Senators did not personally see anything while in the building and then being evacuated.</p>
<p>I would have preferred a little more &#8220;Let&#8217;s wait and see all the evidence before drawing conclusions about anything.&#8221;<br />
But that sounds &#8220;weaselly&#8221;, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>The seventy-two hour rule is good for bloggers &amp; commenters, but high officials and news &#8220;stars&#8221; usually have to produce a response sooner than that.</p>
<p>Sometimes they get it wrong.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2026 00:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[no it wasn&#039;t shdes of gray, almost all the exculpatory evidence, about waterbuffalo guy, about the tear gas fired into the peaceful crowd, was left out of the story, there were two men, who were fraudulently accused of attacking an officer, no evidence was presented,

did the tear gas cause the stroke, what trauma did they face, that caused them to commit suicide, thats still dubious to me, then you have the provocateurs, name escapes me, which kinzinger and co, came to the defense of, even though he urged them to enter the capital, the day before,

January 6th, proved for many, that the rule of law went dorment, if not died under this combination, not only for the ones killed that day, but those that committed suicide, in the years after, because of the draconian charges,

for all of Tucker&#039;s recent catastrophic choices recently, one cannot deny, that he really went the extra mile in pursuing this case, when most everyone else had given up the ghosr, same for julie kelly, who should have received multiple pulitzers for her research, and the johnnie come latelies, now attack her, for this or that perceived flaw

the fact that neither rubio nor cruz, my paisans, cannot reflect on their errors as other have done, is not a credit to them, others have thought things through]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no it wasn&#8217;t shdes of gray, almost all the exculpatory evidence, about waterbuffalo guy, about the tear gas fired into the peaceful crowd, was left out of the story, there were two men, who were fraudulently accused of attacking an officer, no evidence was presented,</p>
<p>did the tear gas cause the stroke, what trauma did they face, that caused them to commit suicide, thats still dubious to me, then you have the provocateurs, name escapes me, which kinzinger and co, came to the defense of, even though he urged them to enter the capital, the day before,</p>
<p>January 6th, proved for many, that the rule of law went dorment, if not died under this combination, not only for the ones killed that day, but those that committed suicide, in the years after, because of the draconian charges,</p>
<p>for all of Tucker&#8217;s recent catastrophic choices recently, one cannot deny, that he really went the extra mile in pursuing this case, when most everyone else had given up the ghosr, same for julie kelly, who should have received multiple pulitzers for her research, and the johnnie come latelies, now attack her, for this or that perceived flaw</p>
<p>the fact that neither rubio nor cruz, my paisans, cannot reflect on their errors as other have done, is not a credit to them, others have thought things through</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2026 23:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Contra Trump and his sycophants, there was a riot on J6. There was violence against law enforcement on J6. &lt;/i&gt;
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One police officer suffered a stroke some hours later.  Several others committed suicide over the next several days, for whatever reasons they had.  No, the J6 rioters were not responsible for that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Contra Trump and his sycophants, there was a riot on J6. There was violence against law enforcement on J6. </i><br />
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One police officer suffered a stroke some hours later.  Several others committed suicide over the next several days, for whatever reasons they had.  No, the J6 rioters were not responsible for that.</p>
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		By: Sennacherib		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2026 23:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Politics!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politics!</p>
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		By: Bauxite		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2026 22:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem is that J6 was a &quot;shades of gray&quot; sort of thing, and yet folks on both sides of the issue try to treat it as black and white. Actually, Rubio and, to a lesser extent, Cruz seem to be some of the few who acknowledge the shades of gray. 

Contra Trump and his sycophants, there was a riot on J6.  There was violence against law enforcement on J6. That was deeply, deeply wrong and remains a stain on the right and the GOP. Pretending that there was no riot or that the rioters were somehow justified is silly, wrong, and terrible politics. 

Contra the sycophants on the left, it was abusive and wrong for the Biden administration to prosecute every individual who so much as set foot in the capital.

Contra the sycophants on the left, there are still legitimate questions about why there wasn&#039;t adequate security at the capital and the extent of the FBI activities in the crowd.  

Cruz comes off as a little more weaselly than Rubio, but it seems to me that they&#039;re both (mostly) consistent and just dealing with a complicated, nuanced situation where no one else appears willing to see shades of gray.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that J6 was a &#8220;shades of gray&#8221; sort of thing, and yet folks on both sides of the issue try to treat it as black and white. Actually, Rubio and, to a lesser extent, Cruz seem to be some of the few who acknowledge the shades of gray. </p>
<p>Contra Trump and his sycophants, there was a riot on J6.  There was violence against law enforcement on J6. That was deeply, deeply wrong and remains a stain on the right and the GOP. Pretending that there was no riot or that the rioters were somehow justified is silly, wrong, and terrible politics. </p>
<p>Contra the sycophants on the left, it was abusive and wrong for the Biden administration to prosecute every individual who so much as set foot in the capital.</p>
<p>Contra the sycophants on the left, there are still legitimate questions about why there wasn&#8217;t adequate security at the capital and the extent of the FBI activities in the crowd.  </p>
<p>Cruz comes off as a little more weaselly than Rubio, but it seems to me that they&#8217;re both (mostly) consistent and just dealing with a complicated, nuanced situation where no one else appears willing to see shades of gray.</p>
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		By: DT		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2026 22:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just one more shovelful of the crap we&#039;ve been fed since (and before) 9/11. Gets tiresome after a while, eh? Boring almost. Maybe that&#039;s the intent. Buy tar, rope, and ammo; hot times a&#039;comin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one more shovelful of the crap we&#8217;ve been fed since (and before) 9/11. Gets tiresome after a while, eh? Boring almost. Maybe that&#8217;s the intent. Buy tar, rope, and ammo; hot times a&#8217;comin.</p>
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		By: SHIREHOME		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2026 21:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wait until you see the riots tonight in Minneapolis after the shooting there today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait until you see the riots tonight in Minneapolis after the shooting there today.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2026 18:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Don:&lt;i&gt;The videos make it clear that there were immigration riots in LA&lt;/i&gt;

The videos that someone selected to publish and you happened to see shows that there were some people doing some rioting at that time, and the same can be said for J6. But was the &quot;rioting&quot; around the ICE raids unusual for that area, or the kind of thing you see after a ball game?

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10509915/People-spray-graffiti-climb-roof-bus-passengers-Los-Angeles.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;LA Rams fans LOOT and RIOT after team&#039;s Super Bowl victory: Fan is shot and troublemakers destroy their own city&lt;/a&gt;

That&#039;s where we get into &quot;what are people calling it&quot;. For J6 there&#039;s tons of &quot;riot&quot; video. There&#039;s also video of people walking quietly within the velvet ropes. Which is representative of what &quot;really&quot; happened? I can&#039;t say of my personal knowledge, I wasn&#039;t there, and even if I had been I might have seen the wrong things.

I can&#039;t tell you of my own knowledge how much or less worse the 2022 Superbowl &quot;rioting&quot; in LA was compared to the ICE &quot;rioting&quot;.  All I can tell is how much people online are talking about it and what they are calling it. This is an ongoing problem in trying to figure out what of what we see in the news and online is even &quot;real&quot; in the sense of matching how important it is and what kind of thing it is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Don:<i>The videos make it clear that there were immigration riots in LA</i></p>
<p>The videos that someone selected to publish and you happened to see shows that there were some people doing some rioting at that time, and the same can be said for J6. But was the &#8220;rioting&#8221; around the ICE raids unusual for that area, or the kind of thing you see after a ball game?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10509915/People-spray-graffiti-climb-roof-bus-passengers-Los-Angeles.html" rel="nofollow ugc">LA Rams fans LOOT and RIOT after team&#8217;s Super Bowl victory: Fan is shot and troublemakers destroy their own city</a></p>
<p>That&#8217;s where we get into &#8220;what are people calling it&#8221;. For J6 there&#8217;s tons of &#8220;riot&#8221; video. There&#8217;s also video of people walking quietly within the velvet ropes. Which is representative of what &#8220;really&#8221; happened? I can&#8217;t say of my personal knowledge, I wasn&#8217;t there, and even if I had been I might have seen the wrong things.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell you of my own knowledge how much or less worse the 2022 Superbowl &#8220;rioting&#8221; in LA was compared to the ICE &#8220;rioting&#8221;.  All I can tell is how much people online are talking about it and what they are calling it. This is an ongoing problem in trying to figure out what of what we see in the news and online is even &#8220;real&#8221; in the sense of matching how important it is and what kind of thing it is.</p>
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