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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/12/22/j-d-vance-tucker-carlson/#comment-2835130</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2025 17:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m more in agreement with Ben David (7:14 a.m.) than with Michael Oren at Barry&#039;s link. At least, I hope Ben David has it right. Yes, it&#039;s common for peoples to blame &quot;the other&quot; when things aren&#039;t going well in their societies. &lt;i&gt;Contra&lt;/i&gt; Oren, there have been plenty of anti-Jewish pogroms against orthodox, less-integrated Jews.

What drives me crazy is that people don&#039;t look at the &lt;i&gt;content&lt;/i&gt; of the belief systems of minority groups within their societies. It seems very clear to me that the current rise in Jew-hating is coming in great part (although not entirely, alas) from the growing Muslim populations in western countries. Turning against Jews, who do not, in fact, run secret conspiracies to rule the world, is insane when we are faced with an ideology that is very open about its intent to rule the world and force everyone to conform or be killed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m more in agreement with Ben David (7:14 a.m.) than with Michael Oren at Barry&#8217;s link. At least, I hope Ben David has it right. Yes, it&#8217;s common for peoples to blame &#8220;the other&#8221; when things aren&#8217;t going well in their societies. <i>Contra</i> Oren, there have been plenty of anti-Jewish pogroms against orthodox, less-integrated Jews.</p>
<p>What drives me crazy is that people don&#8217;t look at the <i>content</i> of the belief systems of minority groups within their societies. It seems very clear to me that the current rise in Jew-hating is coming in great part (although not entirely, alas) from the growing Muslim populations in western countries. Turning against Jews, who do not, in fact, run secret conspiracies to rule the world, is insane when we are faced with an ideology that is very open about its intent to rule the world and force everyone to conform or be killed.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2025 14:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And yet, and yet…

“Mein Kulturkampf Continues;
“We are now witnessing yet another kulturkampf, this time being waged on the American right.”
https://claritywithmichaeloren.substack.com/p/mein-kulturkampf-continues
H/T Powerline blog. 

(With some excellent comments…)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet, and yet…</p>
<p>“Mein Kulturkampf Continues;<br />
“We are now witnessing yet another kulturkampf, this time being waged on the American right.”<br />
<a href="https://claritywithmichaeloren.substack.com/p/mein-kulturkampf-continues" rel="nofollow ugc">https://claritywithmichaeloren.substack.com/p/mein-kulturkampf-continues</a><br />
H/T Powerline blog. </p>
<p>(With some excellent comments…)</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2025 13:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent points, Ben David. 

Should go without saying that an American administration should aim to do what is in America’s interests as opposed to work against those interests. 

Hence it is no mystery why those “arguing” that support for Israel is NOT in America’s interest have to constantly and consistently employ lies, half-truths, ahistoricity, misrepresentation and innuendo to “prove” their cherished point. 
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WRT Buchanan, I would have thought that as smart, talented and eloquent as he is, his bizarre (and historically outrageous contention) that it was Churchill who essentially precipitated WWII should have discredited him almost entirely. (People don’t “just” make mistakes of that nature.) 

To be sure…his “amen corner” quip was another unnecessarily nasty instance of impaired judgment (but, as noted above, not JUST impaired judgment).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points, Ben David. </p>
<p>Should go without saying that an American administration should aim to do what is in America’s interests as opposed to work against those interests. </p>
<p>Hence it is no mystery why those “arguing” that support for Israel is NOT in America’s interest have to constantly and consistently employ lies, half-truths, ahistoricity, misrepresentation and innuendo to “prove” their cherished point.<br />
&#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211;<br />
WRT Buchanan, I would have thought that as smart, talented and eloquent as he is, his bizarre (and historically outrageous contention) that it was Churchill who essentially precipitated WWII should have discredited him almost entirely. (People don’t “just” make mistakes of that nature.) </p>
<p>To be sure…his “amen corner” quip was another unnecessarily nasty instance of impaired judgment (but, as noted above, not JUST impaired judgment).</p>
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		By: Ben David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2025 12:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Siiiiiigh.
Listen up, Boomers and x-ers. And especially my fellow Kikes.

IT&#039;S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT YOU.

Here we go:
Gen Z and Millenials have a different idea than us of what &quot;The Establishment&quot; means.

For all those disaffected young men Kirk and Vance appeal to - the Establishment is the liberal, progressive people we grew up with (and whom many of us followed with varying degrees of blind ideology and condescending pride, for quite some time...). This Establishment disenfranchised young white people, especially men. 

MAGA broke through and will achieve what Reagan and Gingrich could not - precisely because MAGA people throw off the constraints of politicized, weaponized &quot;niceness&quot; imposed by the left-leaning Establishment we grew up with. 

It&#039;s not just political or economic conservatism - it is cultural. 

(And the cultural changes precipitated by MAGA will probably challenge most Boomer/Xer&#039;s personal identity at some level - unless you&#039;ve completely surrendered the &quot;liberalism&quot; we imbibed with Cronkite, Watergate, and SNL.)

JD Vance has repeatedly bruised any mainstream journos who tried to rope him into their predefined litmus tests (remember &quot;I really don&#039;t care, Margaret&quot;...?)

That&#039;s the point - He Does Not Care what that old establishment thinks. 

See how he does not script or stage manage his wife, or make political hay from his &quot;unconventional family&quot; (judged that way by the identity-obsessed &quot;old Establishment&quot; - if he were a Dem they&#039;d be gushing over his mixed-race kids... he is simply not interested in playing their game).

Vance represents a generation that was burned by identity politics and Marxist inquisitions - and so is vehemently opposed to any litmus tests. Like Kirk and Rogan, he welcomes real, open debate.

It&#039;s not about the Jews, it&#039;s not about Israel - Vice President Vance has clearly articulated America&#039;s self-interest in its alliance with Israel, and in official appearances and on campus.

Vance is about completely rejecting the Establishment and any whiff of identity-group politics.

That is the source of his street cred with the younger generation. And I believe he is sincere.... 

As a Jew - and an Israeli - I have NOTHING to worry about from these young men and women.

Vance is a perfect complement to Donald Trump - a media-savvy New Yorker (which is halfway Jewish in many American&#039;s eyes) with personal ties and affection for the Jewish people and Israel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siiiiiigh.<br />
Listen up, Boomers and x-ers. And especially my fellow Kikes.</p>
<p>IT&#8217;S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT YOU.</p>
<p>Here we go:<br />
Gen Z and Millenials have a different idea than us of what &#8220;The Establishment&#8221; means.</p>
<p>For all those disaffected young men Kirk and Vance appeal to &#8211; the Establishment is the liberal, progressive people we grew up with (and whom many of us followed with varying degrees of blind ideology and condescending pride, for quite some time&#8230;). This Establishment disenfranchised young white people, especially men. </p>
<p>MAGA broke through and will achieve what Reagan and Gingrich could not &#8211; precisely because MAGA people throw off the constraints of politicized, weaponized &#8220;niceness&#8221; imposed by the left-leaning Establishment we grew up with. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just political or economic conservatism &#8211; it is cultural. </p>
<p>(And the cultural changes precipitated by MAGA will probably challenge most Boomer/Xer&#8217;s personal identity at some level &#8211; unless you&#8217;ve completely surrendered the &#8220;liberalism&#8221; we imbibed with Cronkite, Watergate, and SNL.)</p>
<p>JD Vance has repeatedly bruised any mainstream journos who tried to rope him into their predefined litmus tests (remember &#8220;I really don&#8217;t care, Margaret&#8221;&#8230;?)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the point &#8211; He Does Not Care what that old establishment thinks. </p>
<p>See how he does not script or stage manage his wife, or make political hay from his &#8220;unconventional family&#8221; (judged that way by the identity-obsessed &#8220;old Establishment&#8221; &#8211; if he were a Dem they&#8217;d be gushing over his mixed-race kids&#8230; he is simply not interested in playing their game).</p>
<p>Vance represents a generation that was burned by identity politics and Marxist inquisitions &#8211; and so is vehemently opposed to any litmus tests. Like Kirk and Rogan, he welcomes real, open debate.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about the Jews, it&#8217;s not about Israel &#8211; Vice President Vance has clearly articulated America&#8217;s self-interest in its alliance with Israel, and in official appearances and on campus.</p>
<p>Vance is about completely rejecting the Establishment and any whiff of identity-group politics.</p>
<p>That is the source of his street cred with the younger generation. And I believe he is sincere&#8230;. </p>
<p>As a Jew &#8211; and an Israeli &#8211; I have NOTHING to worry about from these young men and women.</p>
<p>Vance is a perfect complement to Donald Trump &#8211; a media-savvy New Yorker (which is halfway Jewish in many American&#8217;s eyes) with personal ties and affection for the Jewish people and Israel.</p>
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		By: Cappy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2025 13:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Vance&#039;s words are moving.  Moved me to undecided for 2028.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vance&#8217;s words are moving.  Moved me to undecided for 2028.</p>
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		By: Turtler		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/12/22/j-d-vance-tucker-carlson/#comment-2834981</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Turtler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2025 01:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also worth noting.

https://pjmedia.com/ron-radosh/2009/04/17/pat-buchanan-still-an-anti-semite-n182823

https://reason.com/2009/04/17/ivan-meets-pitchfork-pat/

https://www.jta.org/2012/02/21/ny/the-sins-of-pat-buchanan

Suffice it to say, most people do not make a habit of heavily corresponding with the &quot;Institute of Historical Review&quot; Neo-Nazi shills or uncritically signal boosting their propaganda. Not even most American Paleocons or Isolationists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also worth noting.</p>
<p><a href="https://pjmedia.com/ron-radosh/2009/04/17/pat-buchanan-still-an-anti-semite-n182823" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/ron-radosh/2009/04/17/pat-buchanan-still-an-anti-semite-n182823</a></p>
<p><a href="https://reason.com/2009/04/17/ivan-meets-pitchfork-pat/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://reason.com/2009/04/17/ivan-meets-pitchfork-pat/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.jta.org/2012/02/21/ny/the-sins-of-pat-buchanan" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.jta.org/2012/02/21/ny/the-sins-of-pat-buchanan</a></p>
<p>Suffice it to say, most people do not make a habit of heavily corresponding with the &#8220;Institute of Historical Review&#8221; Neo-Nazi shills or uncritically signal boosting their propaganda. Not even most American Paleocons or Isolationists.</p>
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		By: Turtler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2025 00:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@huxley

Thanks.

It&#039;s also provably stupid and incompetent. Even if it were true, it would do jack all to refute my points. So what if I am a Lunatic? Ok, so I&#039;m a lunatic.

But what does that make Buchanan&#039;s long, sordid, and well documented history of Jew baiting, Jew bashing, Israel blaming, conspiratorial bullshit, and fondness for nationalist German totalitarianism, even when it hurt American interests? 

I did not levy the charge of Jew Hater against Ron Paul or Daniel McCarthy, mostly because me doing so would not be honest as I do not know enough about them to make that stick. My provable issues with them mostly lie on other matters, and their largely knee jerk Israel bashing and America Bashing seems to stem largely from their particularly dumb in my opinion brand of isolationism, which for whatever its flaws is quite American and not at all defendant on Jew Hatred (likewise their historical and geographical illiteracy). 

Buchanan is different in large part because of the large depth, span, and length of his statements, and how many of them cannot be explained away by particular instances like the Bitburg cemetery fiasco (where I largely side with him and Reagan) or as merely referring to Israel. It also cannot be brushed aside by principle (like his support for the release of all refusniks, which is much to his credit) such as refusing to deport Linneas for war crimes because he rejected the trustworthiness of Soviet &#039;justice&quot;, given the support for other deportations to the USSR.

He is far from the worst Jew Hater in history. He is far from the worst Jew hater in American history, or even in his own generation. But that doesn&#039;t change the verdict of his conduct. Even the best Buckley could say was that while he did not believe Buchanan was an &quot;antisemite&quot; (a term I dislike for a host of reasons), that Buchanan had said several things that objectively were &quot;antisemitic&quot; and could not honestly be repudiated as such.

That was decades ago. Pat Buchanan has learned little since then and in many ways has gotten worse.

And apparently Art Deco lacks any substantive defense of his beyond &quot;Trust Kinsley&#039;s statement&quot; (leaving aside the many flaws with that, such as the gigantic blindsides as well as how Kinsley is not the most trustworthy or agenda free of sources).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@huxley</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also provably stupid and incompetent. Even if it were true, it would do jack all to refute my points. So what if I am a Lunatic? Ok, so I&#8217;m a lunatic.</p>
<p>But what does that make Buchanan&#8217;s long, sordid, and well documented history of Jew baiting, Jew bashing, Israel blaming, conspiratorial bullshit, and fondness for nationalist German totalitarianism, even when it hurt American interests? </p>
<p>I did not levy the charge of Jew Hater against Ron Paul or Daniel McCarthy, mostly because me doing so would not be honest as I do not know enough about them to make that stick. My provable issues with them mostly lie on other matters, and their largely knee jerk Israel bashing and America Bashing seems to stem largely from their particularly dumb in my opinion brand of isolationism, which for whatever its flaws is quite American and not at all defendant on Jew Hatred (likewise their historical and geographical illiteracy). </p>
<p>Buchanan is different in large part because of the large depth, span, and length of his statements, and how many of them cannot be explained away by particular instances like the Bitburg cemetery fiasco (where I largely side with him and Reagan) or as merely referring to Israel. It also cannot be brushed aside by principle (like his support for the release of all refusniks, which is much to his credit) such as refusing to deport Linneas for war crimes because he rejected the trustworthiness of Soviet &#8216;justice&#8221;, given the support for other deportations to the USSR.</p>
<p>He is far from the worst Jew Hater in history. He is far from the worst Jew hater in American history, or even in his own generation. But that doesn&#8217;t change the verdict of his conduct. Even the best Buckley could say was that while he did not believe Buchanan was an &#8220;antisemite&#8221; (a term I dislike for a host of reasons), that Buchanan had said several things that objectively were &#8220;antisemitic&#8221; and could not honestly be repudiated as such.</p>
<p>That was decades ago. Pat Buchanan has learned little since then and in many ways has gotten worse.</p>
<p>And apparently Art Deco lacks any substantive defense of his beyond &#8220;Trust Kinsley&#8217;s statement&#8221; (leaving aside the many flaws with that, such as the gigantic blindsides as well as how Kinsley is not the most trustworthy or agenda free of sources).</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;If you’re attempting to get yourself categorized as a lunatic, you’re succeeding.&lt;/i&gt;

Art Deco:

Please, would you just stop with these pseudo-clever put-downs? That&#039;s the &quot;ad hominem&quot; fallacy. And it&#039;s not just fallacious, it&#039;s rude.

Address the comment, not the commenter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you’re attempting to get yourself categorized as a lunatic, you’re succeeding.</i></p>
<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>Please, would you just stop with these pseudo-clever put-downs? That&#8217;s the &#8220;ad hominem&#8221; fallacy. And it&#8217;s not just fallacious, it&#8217;s rude.</p>
<p>Address the comment, not the commenter.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2025 00:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Art Deco

&lt;blockquote&gt; If you’re attempting to get yourself categorized as a lunatic, you’re succeeding. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you&#039;re attempting to concede the argument, there are better ways to do that.

If you&#039;re attempting to actually make any kind of point against my claims and the evidence, this is an incompetent way of doing it. Incompetent, cowardly, and fucking stupid. It&#039;s literally an ad hominem fallacy, and one that wouldn&#039;t even help your claim if it were true. 

Which seems to be a tendency of yours when you try to argue with me on historical matters (like regarding Weimar, Versailles, or a few others) and get your clock cleaned. You can&#039;t argue that Buchanan&#039;s conduct towards not just Israelis but Jews was disgraceful, consistent, and fitting of sane definitions of Jew Hatred, including his own definition of antisemitism. You can&#039;t argue my point regarding Kinsley and how he is not an entirely trustworthy subject without agenda, and how in any case he doesn&#039;t outweigh the contrary evidence.

So you resort to name calling.

Unfortunately for you, I don&#039;t have to give a fuck about what you categorize me as, Art Deco. 

I also know you are capable of addressing points at length, I&#039;ve seen you do it before. So your decision here is folly, and believing it&#039;d have any effect is a far truer sign of lunacy than anything from my post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Art Deco</p>
<blockquote><p> If you’re attempting to get yourself categorized as a lunatic, you’re succeeding. </p></blockquote>
<p>If you&#8217;re attempting to concede the argument, there are better ways to do that.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re attempting to actually make any kind of point against my claims and the evidence, this is an incompetent way of doing it. Incompetent, cowardly, and fucking stupid. It&#8217;s literally an ad hominem fallacy, and one that wouldn&#8217;t even help your claim if it were true. </p>
<p>Which seems to be a tendency of yours when you try to argue with me on historical matters (like regarding Weimar, Versailles, or a few others) and get your clock cleaned. You can&#8217;t argue that Buchanan&#8217;s conduct towards not just Israelis but Jews was disgraceful, consistent, and fitting of sane definitions of Jew Hatred, including his own definition of antisemitism. You can&#8217;t argue my point regarding Kinsley and how he is not an entirely trustworthy subject without agenda, and how in any case he doesn&#8217;t outweigh the contrary evidence.</p>
<p>So you resort to name calling.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for you, I don&#8217;t have to give a fuck about what you categorize me as, Art Deco. </p>
<p>I also know you are capable of addressing points at length, I&#8217;ve seen you do it before. So your decision here is folly, and believing it&#8217;d have any effect is a far truer sign of lunacy than anything from my post.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I’ve seen it. And it does fuck all to move my estimation. Which is why I repeat: Pat Buchanan is and was a Jew Hater.&lt;/i&gt;
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If you&#039;re attempting to get yourself categorized as a lunatic, you&#039;re succeeding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’ve seen it. And it does fuck all to move my estimation. Which is why I repeat: Pat Buchanan is and was a Jew Hater.</i><br />
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If you&#8217;re attempting to get yourself categorized as a lunatic, you&#8217;re succeeding.</p>
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