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		By: sdferr		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[When we see a title like &quot;The &lt;b&gt;Ideological&lt;/b&gt; Origins of the American Revolution&quot; it is probably a useful moment to pause and wonder if the people of the American Revolution themselves actually used the word &quot;ideological&quot; -- whether at &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; (they &lt;i&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; of course, because it had hardly been invented yet), or used it in some early sense of the term we do not either know or use ourselves today (and there you may discover Thomas Jefferson in his post-French-ambassadorship as the champion and translator of Destutt de Tracy, inventor and expositor of the term!).

In general then, proceed with caution within our native tongue -- for it&#039;s a very trixie devil, particularly when it comes to political-philosophical expressions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we see a title like &#8220;The <b>Ideological</b> Origins of the American Revolution&#8221; it is probably a useful moment to pause and wonder if the people of the American Revolution themselves actually used the word &#8220;ideological&#8221; &#8212; whether at <b>all</b> (they <i>didn&#8217;t</i> of course, because it had hardly been invented yet), or used it in some early sense of the term we do not either know or use ourselves today (and there you may discover Thomas Jefferson in his post-French-ambassadorship as the champion and translator of Destutt de Tracy, inventor and expositor of the term!).</p>
<p>In general then, proceed with caution within our native tongue &#8212; for it&#8217;s a very trixie devil, particularly when it comes to political-philosophical expressions.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 13:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S.  In terms of our survival, going forward, as a free, prosperous, and independent nation President Trump, for all of his possible faults--and against tremendous and widespread judicial, legislative, institutional, and other resistance--is trying to undue as much as he can of the damage done by Democrats, but the several decades long Gramscian march has been very thorough, and its results very widespread, and very deep.  

So widespread and deep that I fear that, even if, say, Vice President J.D. Vance were to succeed Trump--and carry on his work--it would still not be enough to undo enough of the damage wrought by the Democrats, to set this country back on the right course.  

Thus, I fear that Trump--and even a continuance of his policies and actions under Vance--are only like the Dutch boy&#039;s finger in the dike, holding back the pressure of the leftist sea. 

Moreover, isn&#039;t the one prominent theory that all nations ultimately decline because of how they handle finance/money.  

If that theory is true I &#039;d say that we are already on the road to destruction.   

Ultimately, though, isn&#039;t it as Jefferson wrote, about the level of morality and education of our population--what they want--their understanding and mindset?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  In terms of our survival, going forward, as a free, prosperous, and independent nation President Trump, for all of his possible faults&#8211;and against tremendous and widespread judicial, legislative, institutional, and other resistance&#8211;is trying to undue as much as he can of the damage done by Democrats, but the several decades long Gramscian march has been very thorough, and its results very widespread, and very deep.  </p>
<p>So widespread and deep that I fear that, even if, say, Vice President J.D. Vance were to succeed Trump&#8211;and carry on his work&#8211;it would still not be enough to undo enough of the damage wrought by the Democrats, to set this country back on the right course.  </p>
<p>Thus, I fear that Trump&#8211;and even a continuance of his policies and actions under Vance&#8211;are only like the Dutch boy&#8217;s finger in the dike, holding back the pressure of the leftist sea. </p>
<p>Moreover, isn&#8217;t the one prominent theory that all nations ultimately decline because of how they handle finance/money.  </p>
<p>If that theory is true I &#8216;d say that we are already on the road to destruction.   </p>
<p>Ultimately, though, isn&#8217;t it as Jefferson wrote, about the level of morality and education of our population&#8211;what they want&#8211;their understanding and mindset?</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 13:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If somebody doesn’t own something, including land they temporarily live on, then taking it from them is not stealing.
The natives didn’t own the land, nor believe in land ownership. Most were nomadic, fighting &#038; killing other natives over control, not ownership, of the land.
No land owned by natives was stolen, the new white tribes came &#038; fought &#038; won control in accordance with native law (of the jungle, might makes right).
A culture without land ownership cannot live on the land when it’s owned by others.  Landless Jews became urban, mostly cosmopolitan “anywhere” people. Natives fought to the death, and died, or lived in reservations.  In cases of treaties being violated by whites, which happened some, reservation lands taken could be called stolen, but that’s not most.

Most natives who died because of Europeans died because of disease, an inevitable amount of death due to globalization.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If somebody doesn’t own something, including land they temporarily live on, then taking it from them is not stealing.<br />
The natives didn’t own the land, nor believe in land ownership. Most were nomadic, fighting &amp; killing other natives over control, not ownership, of the land.<br />
No land owned by natives was stolen, the new white tribes came &amp; fought &amp; won control in accordance with native law (of the jungle, might makes right).<br />
A culture without land ownership cannot live on the land when it’s owned by others.  Landless Jews became urban, mostly cosmopolitan “anywhere” people. Natives fought to the death, and died, or lived in reservations.  In cases of treaties being violated by whites, which happened some, reservation lands taken could be called stolen, but that’s not most.</p>
<p>Most natives who died because of Europeans died because of disease, an inevitable amount of death due to globalization.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 12:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om--For me, the American history I was taught as an undergraduate (and, thank God, not from a viewpoint heavy with leftist ideology) is almost 60 years back in my rear view mirror but, I remember being particularly stuck by the analysis in Bernard Bailyn&#039;s book, &quot;The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution,&quot; and the idea that Americans started out thinking of themselves as Englishmen, who were only pressing for the rights they thought, as Englishmen, they deserved, but that the Crown--misreading the crowd, trying to manage things from afar, and two months away by boat, kept pushing and pushing, made too many miscalculations, and uses of different kinds of compulsion and force until, finally, their formerly British subjects--many reluctantly, and wanting to keep the freedom that they had grown accustomed to in America--united against them as Americans.

Yeah, I&#039;d heard about Burns, Howard Zinn type, leftist twist to his portrayal of the Revolution.  

When I wrote that this first episode of the series was very well done, I was mostly talking about its pretty stunning cinematography, rather than the commentary which went along with it.

But, at first glance, only a few things jumped out at me, particularly how he portrayed Sam Adams.

But, then, there was also his general tone--the English authorities misjudged the temper of their American subjects, but some Americans were too eager for war.

I also noted that I had never heard of most of the talking head historians he chose to use as expert commentators.

When the credits rolled at the end of the first episode, my wife exclaimed at the whose who of Hollywood who were going to be in this series as a good thing.  

I, on the other hand, thought that these Hollywood luminaries wouldn&#039;t have signed onto this series if it didn&#039;t fit into Hollywood&#039;s obligatory totally leftist perspective, and that their participation was a tell tale sign about how things were going to be portrayed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om&#8211;For me, the American history I was taught as an undergraduate (and, thank God, not from a viewpoint heavy with leftist ideology) is almost 60 years back in my rear view mirror but, I remember being particularly stuck by the analysis in Bernard Bailyn&#8217;s book, &#8220;The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution,&#8221; and the idea that Americans started out thinking of themselves as Englishmen, who were only pressing for the rights they thought, as Englishmen, they deserved, but that the Crown&#8211;misreading the crowd, trying to manage things from afar, and two months away by boat, kept pushing and pushing, made too many miscalculations, and uses of different kinds of compulsion and force until, finally, their formerly British subjects&#8211;many reluctantly, and wanting to keep the freedom that they had grown accustomed to in America&#8211;united against them as Americans.</p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;d heard about Burns, Howard Zinn type, leftist twist to his portrayal of the Revolution.  </p>
<p>When I wrote that this first episode of the series was very well done, I was mostly talking about its pretty stunning cinematography, rather than the commentary which went along with it.</p>
<p>But, at first glance, only a few things jumped out at me, particularly how he portrayed Sam Adams.</p>
<p>But, then, there was also his general tone&#8211;the English authorities misjudged the temper of their American subjects, but some Americans were too eager for war.</p>
<p>I also noted that I had never heard of most of the talking head historians he chose to use as expert commentators.</p>
<p>When the credits rolled at the end of the first episode, my wife exclaimed at the whose who of Hollywood who were going to be in this series as a good thing.  </p>
<p>I, on the other hand, thought that these Hollywood luminaries wouldn&#8217;t have signed onto this series if it didn&#8217;t fit into Hollywood&#8217;s obligatory totally leftist perspective, and that their participation was a tell tale sign about how things were going to be portrayed.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 04:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The link

https://cdrsalamander.substack.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link</p>
<p><a href="https://cdrsalamander.substack.com" rel="nofollow ugc">https://cdrsalamander.substack.com</a></p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 03:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;We Need to Talk About Ken Burns’s PBS American Revolution Documentary&lt;/b&gt;
Howard Zinn smiles...
CDR SALAMANDER

https://cdrsalamander.substack.com/p/we-need-to-talk-about-ken-burnss?utm_source=post-email-title&#038;publication_id=247761&#038;post_id=179270478&#038;utm_campaign=email-post-title&#038;isFreemail=false&#038;r=dys9j&#038;triedRedirect=true&#038;utm_medium=email

NOV 18&lt;/blockquote&gt;

CDR Salamander 

	&lt;blockquote&gt;So, I’ve watched the two episodes of Ken Burns’s documentary, The American Revolution, in spite of my stated zero desire to do so. Why? If you are not up to speed with the MSNBCification of Ken Burns over the last decade, catch up.

Anyway, as Mrs. Salamander knows more about the American Revolution than 99.7% of people out there, she insisted we watch it. I’ve been married for over three decades for a reason, so I sat down with her to watch.

FFS.

…and…it started with a land acknowledgement. ISYN.

It doesn’t get better.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>We Need to Talk About Ken Burns’s PBS American Revolution Documentary</b><br />
Howard Zinn smiles&#8230;<br />
CDR SALAMANDER</p>
<p><a href="https://cdrsalamander.substack.com/p/we-need-to-talk-about-ken-burnss?utm_source=post-email-title&#038;publication_id=247761&#038;post_id=179270478&#038;utm_campaign=email-post-title&#038;isFreemail=false&#038;r=dys9j&#038;triedRedirect=true&#038;utm_medium=email" rel="nofollow ugc">https://cdrsalamander.substack.com/p/we-need-to-talk-about-ken-burnss?utm_source=post-email-title&#038;publication_id=247761&#038;post_id=179270478&#038;utm_campaign=email-post-title&#038;isFreemail=false&#038;r=dys9j&#038;triedRedirect=true&#038;utm_medium=email</a></p>
<p>NOV 18</p></blockquote>
<p>CDR Salamander </p>
<blockquote><p>So, I’ve watched the two episodes of Ken Burns’s documentary, The American Revolution, in spite of my stated zero desire to do so. Why? If you are not up to speed with the MSNBCification of Ken Burns over the last decade, catch up.</p>
<p>Anyway, as Mrs. Salamander knows more about the American Revolution than 99.7% of people out there, she insisted we watch it. I’ve been married for over three decades for a reason, so I sat down with her to watch.</p>
<p>FFS.</p>
<p>…and…it started with a land acknowledgement. ISYN.</p>
<p>It doesn’t get better.</p></blockquote>
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		By: SD		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 03:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[‘Real Time’ Crowd Roars for Bill Maher&#039;s Brutal Message for Democrats - Video

https://commoncts.blogspot.com/2025/11/real-time-crowd-roars-for-bill-mahers.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Real Time’ Crowd Roars for Bill Maher&#8217;s Brutal Message for Democrats &#8211; Video</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 02:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[cdrslamander had a negative opinion of Ken Burns&#039; documentary about The American Revolution, first episode.  He felt that Howard Zinn would be thoroughly pleased with Ken, infusing the oh so superior judgement and priorities of the present Acella corridor elite onto events and people of the late 1700s.

I&#039;ll post a link to cdsalamander&#039;s substack review and critique a bit later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cdrslamander had a negative opinion of Ken Burns&#8217; documentary about The American Revolution, first episode.  He felt that Howard Zinn would be thoroughly pleased with Ken, infusing the oh so superior judgement and priorities of the present Acella corridor elite onto events and people of the late 1700s.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll post a link to cdsalamander&#8217;s substack review and critique a bit later.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 01:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S.  Actually, I believe that the two essential qualities Jefferson mentioned were our people being both &quot;moral&quot; and &quot;educated.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  Actually, I believe that the two essential qualities Jefferson mentioned were our people being both &#8220;moral&#8221; and &#8220;educated.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 01:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have started to view Ken Burns very well done TV series retelling of the events of the American Revolution.

Surprisingly, through years of genealogical research, I discovered that at least five of my maternal fifth great grand fathers—all German immigrant farmers living in Pennsylvania&#039;s Schuylkill county—actively fought in the Revolution, one of them actually serving in the 6th Pennsylvania Line for six and a half years, and fighting in the battle of the Brandywine. 

Was it Jefferson who warned that we would not survive as a nation unless we were a moral people, and were not an ignorant one?  

Today, I fear that far too many of us no longer fit Jefferson&#039;s prescription.

In my advancing age, and viewing today&#039;s United States, and the course we are on--I can&#039;t help wondering if we are going to survive as a free and independent country, or are we going to fade into history; a noble experiment which ultimately failed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have started to view Ken Burns very well done TV series retelling of the events of the American Revolution.</p>
<p>Surprisingly, through years of genealogical research, I discovered that at least five of my maternal fifth great grand fathers—all German immigrant farmers living in Pennsylvania&#8217;s Schuylkill county—actively fought in the Revolution, one of them actually serving in the 6th Pennsylvania Line for six and a half years, and fighting in the battle of the Brandywine. </p>
<p>Was it Jefferson who warned that we would not survive as a nation unless we were a moral people, and were not an ignorant one?  </p>
<p>Today, I fear that far too many of us no longer fit Jefferson&#8217;s prescription.</p>
<p>In my advancing age, and viewing today&#8217;s United States, and the course we are on&#8211;I can&#8217;t help wondering if we are going to survive as a free and independent country, or are we going to fade into history; a noble experiment which ultimately failed.</p>
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