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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/11/20/bonhoeffer-on-evil-according-to-carlson-and-beck/#comment-2831404</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E:

What the turd has done and does is far more important than what you  try to cipher out about what the turd believes.

Bring &quot;too clever by half,&quot; again, Brian.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E:</p>
<p>What the turd has done and does is far more important than what you  try to cipher out about what the turd believes.</p>
<p>Bring &#8220;too clever by half,&#8221; again, Brian.</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/11/20/bonhoeffer-on-evil-according-to-carlson-and-beck/#comment-2831395</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 19:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;BrainE is trying to polish a turd.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

om, there you go again!

No. There is no need to attack Carlson&#039;s understanding of scriptures and the theology that follows. I suspect that some of the commenters on this blog attend churches that teach replacement theology or fulfillment theology-- which will affect how the Old Testament is interpreted.

Here&#039;s what Carlson believes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;...So really, just to keep in mind as things heat up, don&#039;t become the people you despise, or else what&#039;s the point? We wind up I mean, the Second World War is that story. We&#039;re fighting for freedom, but we&#039;re arming Joseph Stalin to do it. Really? We sent more money and airplanes and tanks and jeeps and boots and food to Joseph Stalin, the greatest mass murderer in history, in order to bring what? Freedom to the world. It&#039;s not a defense of Hitler, of course. But that&#039;s shameful. The Roosevelt administration did that with a full support of his party. It&#039;s like, don&#039;t become the thing that you hate. That&#039;s it. And if you don&#039;t do that, if you allow yourself to get carried away so mad that you start mimicking the hate that&#039;s coming at you, what happens? Well, of course it flowers into violence.....&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;...Mark Levin has repeatedly and he&#039;s not the only one but he&#039;s the most blunt has repeatedly called for just murdering civilians children in Gaza because they&#039;re Amalakite or whatever they&#039;re stained by blood guilt. Prime Minister of Israel said exactly the same thing. They are guilty by virtue of how they were born. So that by definition includes women and children. So Mark Levin is not clever enough to keep the implications of these views to himself. And he said them repeatedly on television just to give you a sense about how Mark Levin feels about human life and the human soul....&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And this:


&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I&#039;m mad at our leaders for spending their time and my money focusing on someone else&#039;s country. And then then I&#039;m doubly mad because that&#039;s a total betrayal of the promise, which is your government works for you because you own the government because it&#039;s a it&#039;s a democratic republic. Like what the hell is going on? And then if you say anything about it, it&#039;s like you&#039;re a Nazi. You&#039;re an anti-semite. Well, actually, I&#039;m not......But like what is the answer? Why would the US government spend all this time... No, It&#039;s a sincere question. Why is the overwhelming majority of the US Congress taking money from a foreign unregistered lobby?...&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
 

At the core, Carlson&#039;s arguments aren&#039;t based on any theology. It some vague human notion of compassion.



1. Carlson&#039;s insistence that AIPAC is a foreign lobby and should register under FARA. Jews have too much influence in American politics.

2. Accusations that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing.

3. Accusations that Israel is engaged in genocide.

IMO, none of these falsehoods/misunderstandings/lies has to do with Carlson&#039;s mistaken theology.

Israel is just a convenient punching bag, appealing to an undercurrent of anti-semitism (being generous in my characterization. This is a spiritual problem at it&#039;s core.) This is about the future of MAGA. To what extent will MAGA transform to America First--- which by the way is owned by Nick Fuentes. Nick Fuentes established the America First Foundation around 2020-- which is fully isolationist, among other distortions of what MAGA, as President Trump has demonstrated through actions what it is.

I wasn&#039;t aware of this. Every time we use the term America First, it&#039;s playing into Fuentes&#039; narrative of what America First stands for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;BrainE is trying to polish a turd.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>om, there you go again!</p>
<p>No. There is no need to attack Carlson&#8217;s understanding of scriptures and the theology that follows. I suspect that some of the commenters on this blog attend churches that teach replacement theology or fulfillment theology&#8211; which will affect how the Old Testament is interpreted.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what Carlson believes:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;So really, just to keep in mind as things heat up, don&#8217;t become the people you despise, or else what&#8217;s the point? We wind up I mean, the Second World War is that story. We&#8217;re fighting for freedom, but we&#8217;re arming Joseph Stalin to do it. Really? We sent more money and airplanes and tanks and jeeps and boots and food to Joseph Stalin, the greatest mass murderer in history, in order to bring what? Freedom to the world. It&#8217;s not a defense of Hitler, of course. But that&#8217;s shameful. The Roosevelt administration did that with a full support of his party. It&#8217;s like, don&#8217;t become the thing that you hate. That&#8217;s it. And if you don&#8217;t do that, if you allow yourself to get carried away so mad that you start mimicking the hate that&#8217;s coming at you, what happens? Well, of course it flowers into violence&#8230;..&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And this:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;Mark Levin has repeatedly and he&#8217;s not the only one but he&#8217;s the most blunt has repeatedly called for just murdering civilians children in Gaza because they&#8217;re Amalakite or whatever they&#8217;re stained by blood guilt. Prime Minister of Israel said exactly the same thing. They are guilty by virtue of how they were born. So that by definition includes women and children. So Mark Levin is not clever enough to keep the implications of these views to himself. And he said them repeatedly on television just to give you a sense about how Mark Levin feels about human life and the human soul&#8230;.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And this:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#8217;m mad at our leaders for spending their time and my money focusing on someone else&#8217;s country. And then then I&#8217;m doubly mad because that&#8217;s a total betrayal of the promise, which is your government works for you because you own the government because it&#8217;s a it&#8217;s a democratic republic. Like what the hell is going on? And then if you say anything about it, it&#8217;s like you&#8217;re a Nazi. You&#8217;re an anti-semite. Well, actually, I&#8217;m not&#8230;&#8230;But like what is the answer? Why would the US government spend all this time&#8230; No, It&#8217;s a sincere question. Why is the overwhelming majority of the US Congress taking money from a foreign unregistered lobby?&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>At the core, Carlson&#8217;s arguments aren&#8217;t based on any theology. It some vague human notion of compassion.</p>
<p>1. Carlson&#8217;s insistence that AIPAC is a foreign lobby and should register under FARA. Jews have too much influence in American politics.</p>
<p>2. Accusations that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing.</p>
<p>3. Accusations that Israel is engaged in genocide.</p>
<p>IMO, none of these falsehoods/misunderstandings/lies has to do with Carlson&#8217;s mistaken theology.</p>
<p>Israel is just a convenient punching bag, appealing to an undercurrent of anti-semitism (being generous in my characterization. This is a spiritual problem at it&#8217;s core.) This is about the future of MAGA. To what extent will MAGA transform to America First&#8212; which by the way is owned by Nick Fuentes. Nick Fuentes established the America First Foundation around 2020&#8211; which is fully isolationist, among other distortions of what MAGA, as President Trump has demonstrated through actions what it is.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware of this. Every time we use the term America First, it&#8217;s playing into Fuentes&#8217; narrative of what America First stands for.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 11:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hamas started a war.  They fought that war from positions in densely settled urban zones.  They made absurd demands in negotiations over a cease fire.  They would not abide by the terms of the first cease fire they negotiated.  They&#039;re behaving badly during this one.  That a great deal of physical plant has been leveled and a great many people killed is unsurprising in these circumstances.  It bothers Israel&#039;s detractors (among them Carlson) because they begin with the assumption that Jews waging war on voluntary aggressors is an act of effrontery, because Jews are less than human.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamas started a war.  They fought that war from positions in densely settled urban zones.  They made absurd demands in negotiations over a cease fire.  They would not abide by the terms of the first cease fire they negotiated.  They&#8217;re behaving badly during this one.  That a great deal of physical plant has been leveled and a great many people killed is unsurprising in these circumstances.  It bothers Israel&#8217;s detractors (among them Carlson) because they begin with the assumption that Jews waging war on voluntary aggressors is an act of effrontery, because Jews are less than human.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 08:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BrainE is trying to polish a turd.]]></description>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 08:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s up with Beck&#039;s deeply tanned face and his pasty white hands?]]></description>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/11/20/bonhoeffer-on-evil-according-to-carlson-and-beck/#comment-2831352</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 06:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, my position is you don&#039;t have to criticize Carlson&#039;s theology to find ample reasons to criticize Carlson&#039;s position on Israel.

If I understand your position, you think he&#039;s saying the violence in the Old Testament is from Jewish vindictiveness which is expressed by his criticism of present day Jewish attitudes towards what he identifies as group guilt. He accuses Israel policy as a willingness to punish innocent Palestinians because of the guilt of the terrorists you carried out the barbarous attacks on Israel on Oct. 7.

I&#039;ve been trying to understand how he has come to this position. He has said the statements by Ben-Gvir and Smotrich  are evidence of that. Without knowing more about Jewish sentiments in the country, they are members of the Nentenyahu government and represent a certain percentage of the population (they are the leaders of their parties), but there is no evidence it&#039;s the government&#039;s policy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, my position is you don&#8217;t have to criticize Carlson&#8217;s theology to find ample reasons to criticize Carlson&#8217;s position on Israel.</p>
<p>If I understand your position, you think he&#8217;s saying the violence in the Old Testament is from Jewish vindictiveness which is expressed by his criticism of present day Jewish attitudes towards what he identifies as group guilt. He accuses Israel policy as a willingness to punish innocent Palestinians because of the guilt of the terrorists you carried out the barbarous attacks on Israel on Oct. 7.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to understand how he has come to this position. He has said the statements by Ben-Gvir and Smotrich  are evidence of that. Without knowing more about Jewish sentiments in the country, they are members of the Nentenyahu government and represent a certain percentage of the population (they are the leaders of their parties), but there is no evidence it&#8217;s the government&#8217;s policy.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2025 23:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Plus, Carlson failed to notice that God repeatedly forgave the Hebrews. Over and over they strayed, and God called them back, and forgave. To claim that the God of the Old Testament is one of retribution and not of forgiveness is wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus, Carlson failed to notice that God repeatedly forgave the Hebrews. Over and over they strayed, and God called them back, and forgave. To claim that the God of the Old Testament is one of retribution and not of forgiveness is wrong.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2025 22:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That link to Barton Swaim&#039;s column on Carlson is worth reading, for anyone interested in Carlson&#039;s religious statements. (I think commenter sdferr posted it as well somewhere on another thread.) Carlson&#039;s statement that he read the whole Bible through for the first time, and now he knows how it should be interpreted, is pure hubris. The rejection of the Hebrew scriptures was a very early heresy, soundly condemned by the early church fathers. And, as Swaim points out, Jesus and his apostles cited the Hebrew scriptures often.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That link to Barton Swaim&#8217;s column on Carlson is worth reading, for anyone interested in Carlson&#8217;s religious statements. (I think commenter sdferr posted it as well somewhere on another thread.) Carlson&#8217;s statement that he read the whole Bible through for the first time, and now he knows how it should be interpreted, is pure hubris. The rejection of the Hebrew scriptures was a very early heresy, soundly condemned by the early church fathers. And, as Swaim points out, Jesus and his apostles cited the Hebrew scriptures often.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2025 22:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Saints walk among us we rarely know it.]]></description>
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		By: neo		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E:

Carlson has made it clear that he believes, among other things, that his Christianity justifies his beliefs about Israel.  He recently read the entire Bible, you see (for the first time) and he was shocked!! at the violence in it that he lays at the feet of Jewish vindictiveness.  

In other words, he&#039;s an anti-Semite in the old tradition.  Israel is just the present-day manifestation of those terrible Old Testament Jews, according to Carlson. See &lt;a href=&quot;https://archive.fo/CDnm6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s his whole reason; I&#039;ve explained the whole &quot;hating neocons&quot; part of it in another post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E:</p>
<p>Carlson has made it clear that he believes, among other things, that his Christianity justifies his beliefs about Israel.  He recently read the entire Bible, you see (for the first time) and he was shocked!! at the violence in it that he lays at the feet of Jewish vindictiveness.  </p>
<p>In other words, he&#8217;s an anti-Semite in the old tradition.  Israel is just the present-day manifestation of those terrible Old Testament Jews, according to Carlson. See <a href="https://archive.fo/CDnm6" rel="nofollow ugc">this</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s his whole reason; I&#8217;ve explained the whole &#8220;hating neocons&#8221; part of it in another post.</p>
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