Comments on: Yes and no from SCOTUS

By: AesopFan

AesopFan — Tue, 11 Nov 2025 21:46:55 +0000

@ Shirehome > What Kate said.

By: om

om — Tue, 11 Nov 2025 15:40:45 +0000

Cowards always have an excuse.

By: Ray So-Ca

Ray So-Ca — Tue, 11 Nov 2025 15:33:21 +0000

Scotus is usually about trying not to cause a ruckus. Roberts supposedly was scarred by the Bush V Gore hanging chads that blamed Scotus for the decision.

By: Kate

Kate — Tue, 11 Nov 2025 14:48:24 +0000

SHIREHOME, nobody, whether religious or secular conservatives, says that a marriage is not a marriage if it doesn’t produce children. I have several friends, married and childless, who have been excellent examples of committed marital devotion over the course of decades, as I’m sure your marriage was also. Just as devoted couples with children do, they serve their communities as icons of what marriage should be.

By: Richard Aubrey

Richard Aubrey — Tue, 11 Nov 2025 13:36:57 +0000

Couple of years ago, a woman did a check of East Lansing (MI) voter rolls. Not a big deal. A number of middle-aged women registered at a fraternity house what was closed due to Covid. A number listed addresses in a park without homes.. Others in an apartment complex which had been around for years but recently torn down.

She was reproached for supporting election deniers.

Turns out Chester County purged all of its registered independents, to the number of 75k. When finding themselves unregistered at the polling place, they were sent to the one location available for such problems to fill out a provisional ballot. Which ran out.

Lots of problems and contending that mail-ins are absolutely immune to such issues is silly. It’s insulting to say such things, presuming the listener is dumb enough to believe them.

By: Art Deco

Art Deco — Tue, 11 Nov 2025 13:01:27 +0000

What Mr. Kruiser is describing is officials ignoring statutory provisions or statutory provisions and regulations which make no provision for maintenance of the voter roll.
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The staff of a county board of elections should be made up of people who have passed a screening examination, no exceptions. The Republican county chairman appoints one commissioner and the Democratic county chairman the other. They must be in agreement to act. Half the employees are on the patronage of the Republican commissioner and half the Democratic commissioner. All operations of note require a clerk from each side working in tandem.
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Ideally, you have a flow check of voter registration forms arriving by a series of databases. One would be the extant database, to see if the voter is already listed at some address. One would be a gazetteer to check the street address. One would be a municipal register of properties without residential uses. One would be a register of death certificates maintained by the Secretary of State. One would be a register of civil commitment orders and guardianships compiled by the Secretary of State. One would be a census of inmates in prisons and jails maintained by the commissioner of corrections. One would be a register from the state revenue department of those who had in the last two calendar years filed a state tax return and the address from which they filed it. They would not have to have paid any taxes, they would merely have had to file a return. You can have a line on voter registration forms and state tax returns asking the filer if they are a citizen and asked to state the date of their naturalization if any. You want your address to appear in the gazeteer. You do not want to appear in most of these databases, or your registration effort fails. You don’t want mismatches between information on the voter registration form and that in the state revenue department’s database. If you’re not in that database but you say you’ve occupied your current residence since May 2023, there’s an impediment.
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Also ideally, you have a stock check of every card in the file at least biennially, again checking the same set of databases. Different letters in the alphabet are checked in a given bloc of time during the biennium. And some are removed to the inactive file and taken off the computer-generated roll once cards of notification have been mailed out to those so removed. You publish the roll at the end of March (indicating who is eligible to vote ‘ere September and sign petitions ‘ere September). You publish the roll as amended at the beginning of March, indicating who is eligible to vote ‘ere the following March and sign designating petitions ‘ere that date. You should not have relict entries hanging around for more than two years. As for the list of those due a postal ballot, names should drop off automatically every four years absent the receipt of a signed postcard from the voter.

By: steve walsh

steve walsh — Tue, 11 Nov 2025 12:54:16 +0000

It could be a simple rejection of Kim Davis’s attempt via appeal to reverse the consequences of her refusal to do her job. Regardless of what you think of gay marriage, Davis was wrong to refuse to do her job based on her personal religious beliefs. The only acceptable thing for her to do was to resign.

By: SHIREHOME

SHIREHOME — Tue, 11 Nov 2025 11:05:37 +0000

procreative marriage – So those marriages between a Biological Male and a Biological Woman that don’t produce children are not real marriages?? We were married 57 years, no kids, not by choice but just how things are Were we not in a real Marriage?

By: AesopFan

AesopFan — Tue, 11 Nov 2025 09:10:07 +0000

On the ballot issue (rather than the issue on the ballot), Stephen Kruiser is somewhat hopeful, but the interesting point is his personal anecdote.

https://pjmedia.com/stephen-kruiser/2025/11/10/the-morning-briefing-will-scotus-bring-a-modicum-of-sanity-to-mail-in-ballot-madness-n4945823
“For the last six years that I lived in California, I was on the permanent vote-by-mail list, a list that I never once opted in on. Every election, I would fill out a provisional ballot, and request to be taken off of the vote-by-mail list, which never happened. After I had been back in Arizona for a few years, I checked and I was still registered in California and on the list.

The topper there is that my old mailbox in LA wasn’t secure.

We’re supposed to believe that nothing can go wrong in the above scenario. ”

Yeah, no.

By: AesopFan

AesopFan — Tue, 11 Nov 2025 08:48:59 +0000

@ Ben David > “It was intended to confuse and blur the average person’s ideas of what “family” and “morality” mean.”

Indeed.

I add to your observations that even before Obergefell, there were government-forced shutdowns of adoption agencies which did not want to release children to homosexual couples (sometimes but not always “married” in the relevant state, back in the days of domestic partnerships and civil unions).

Some of the news stories about the abuse of adopted children, mostly by male couples but sometimes with female perps or pimps, are horrific.

Some other points, related to but not directly addressing comments in the thread:

Back when same-sex marriage was most hotly debated, on one blog I followed a “gay” commenter kept repeating “If you don’t like gay marriages, don’t get one.”
(They aren’t very happy and cheerful, and I still have a gripe about the debasing of a perfectly delightful word in the service of their sexual narcissism).

He was honest enough to apologize (though not as direct as huxley) when it became clear that “his side” was not interested in “just being left alone,” but in forcing everyone to accept, and then celebrate, and then facilitate, their unions.

(Coincidentally, I had my evening milk in my Masterpiece Cakeshop mug today. “Yeah…that cakeshop” it says. The other side of it quotes Eph. 2:10 NLT.)

(And what about that judge in California, who struck down a state constitutional amendment defining marriage as strictly heterosexual, despite its electoral confirmation of the majority viewpoint even in CA, then waited until he retired less than 2 years later to admit he was in a homosexual partnership of 10 years duration. –Wikipedia)

A final point, especially relating to the connection of male-female marriages and raising children; not just procreation, natural or manufactured (h/t Kate), but nurturing as well.

In 1995, the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued a proclamation expounding our long-standing beliefs and doctrines about that subject. We all went around scratching our heads about why they felt prompted to belabor something so obvious, and orthodox in almost all societies and religious systems for 99% of human history.

Well, we found out, didn’t we.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/the-family-a-proclamation-to-the-world/the-family-a-proclamation-to-the-world?lang=eng