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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2025 12:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well and fairly stated, Ben David.]]></description>
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		By: Ben David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2025 09:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I watched the full video of Vance&#039;s Q&#038;A session with the students.
He had a well-stated pro-Israel response earlier in the session.

The clip that spread around the internet was the last question he took, after repeatedly mentioning that they were closing it up.... and the guy just spews all kinds of craziness.

IMO Vance did the right thing by ignoring all that and making a clear statement about alliances formed in America&#039;s interests. There was no way he could have unpacked all that student&#039;s crazy theories and dog whistles in the time he had.

I have no problem if the White House keeps Vance &quot;clean&quot; and relatively impartial on the Israel issue - to counterbalance the Trump family&#039;s very close, positive relationship to Israel and Judaism. And to honestly reflect Vance&#039;s own background. 

The no-go zone that muted antisemitism since WW2 is finally dissolving.... And many &quot;flyover country&quot; conservatives are not necessarily anti-semitic - but the only Jews many of them have ever seen are Lefties and Hollywood types. They are understandably chafing and suspicious after decades of condescension, perceived lack of patriotism, and attacks on their way of life. Vance is one of them, unlike New York Donald, and connects with many conservatives who are indifferent to Israel. 

Vance is a magnet for both the working-class and more educated young male segment that is essential to the new Conservative movement. He&#039;s a good-old-boy who did well and is hip enough to openly discuss both his Christian faith and his interfaith marriage... His blase response to attempts to demonize him just solidifies that fly appeal.

It&#039;s a good idea to position him as worldly, yet pragmatic and America-first. If he has no sincere emotional connection to Israel or Jews, I have no problem with him framing support for Israel in pragmatic terms. Certainly the relationship has changed as Israel becomes stronger and more independent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the full video of Vance&#8217;s Q&amp;A session with the students.<br />
He had a well-stated pro-Israel response earlier in the session.</p>
<p>The clip that spread around the internet was the last question he took, after repeatedly mentioning that they were closing it up&#8230;. and the guy just spews all kinds of craziness.</p>
<p>IMO Vance did the right thing by ignoring all that and making a clear statement about alliances formed in America&#8217;s interests. There was no way he could have unpacked all that student&#8217;s crazy theories and dog whistles in the time he had.</p>
<p>I have no problem if the White House keeps Vance &#8220;clean&#8221; and relatively impartial on the Israel issue &#8211; to counterbalance the Trump family&#8217;s very close, positive relationship to Israel and Judaism. And to honestly reflect Vance&#8217;s own background. </p>
<p>The no-go zone that muted antisemitism since WW2 is finally dissolving&#8230;. And many &#8220;flyover country&#8221; conservatives are not necessarily anti-semitic &#8211; but the only Jews many of them have ever seen are Lefties and Hollywood types. They are understandably chafing and suspicious after decades of condescension, perceived lack of patriotism, and attacks on their way of life. Vance is one of them, unlike New York Donald, and connects with many conservatives who are indifferent to Israel. </p>
<p>Vance is a magnet for both the working-class and more educated young male segment that is essential to the new Conservative movement. He&#8217;s a good-old-boy who did well and is hip enough to openly discuss both his Christian faith and his interfaith marriage&#8230; His blase response to attempts to demonize him just solidifies that fly appeal.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good idea to position him as worldly, yet pragmatic and America-first. If he has no sincere emotional connection to Israel or Jews, I have no problem with him framing support for Israel in pragmatic terms. Certainly the relationship has changed as Israel becomes stronger and more independent.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2025 23:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E:

Vance is a brilliant debater who is very good at arguing in a succinct and effective way. He could have demolished the vile premises of the question very easily and quite quickly and chose not to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E:</p>
<p>Vance is a brilliant debater who is very good at arguing in a succinct and effective way. He could have demolished the vile premises of the question very easily and quite quickly and chose not to.</p>
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		By: David Foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2025 21:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[New post:  Their Worlds Turned Upside Down....which is about the social and political implications of downwardly-mobile would-be elites

https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/75366.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New post:  Their Worlds Turned Upside Down&#8230;.which is about the social and political implications of downwardly-mobile would-be elites</p>
<p><a href="https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/75366.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/75366.html</a></p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/11/06/open-thread-11-6-2025/#comment-2829216</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2025 21:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, fair point. But this has become a rhetorical strategy in many discussions/debates. Ask a question-- and throw in many false or misleading dependent statements along the way.
If you take the time to refute each part of the statement/question the entire dynamic changes.
This is a problem and makes conversations nearly impossible. In some cases, you&#039;re focused on the question and don&#039;t even notice the false/misleading points along the way. It&#039;s only later, on reflection you might notice these other points which may or may not even been relevant to the question.

I think Vance is smart enough to overcome this technique.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, fair point. But this has become a rhetorical strategy in many discussions/debates. Ask a question&#8211; and throw in many false or misleading dependent statements along the way.<br />
If you take the time to refute each part of the statement/question the entire dynamic changes.<br />
This is a problem and makes conversations nearly impossible. In some cases, you&#8217;re focused on the question and don&#8217;t even notice the false/misleading points along the way. It&#8217;s only later, on reflection you might notice these other points which may or may not even been relevant to the question.</p>
<p>I think Vance is smart enough to overcome this technique.</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/11/06/open-thread-11-6-2025/#comment-2829214</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2025 21:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting take on why there is such a large pool of white/underperforming young males that would be attracted to the vile rhetoric of someone like Nick Fuentes. This really isn&#039;t any different than the vile rhetoric of a lot of rap music.

I think Kisin may be on to some of the pathologies that have created this dynamic. It&#039;s been an observation for some time, that this generation are remaining perpetual boys, hooked on video games, hiding in their parents basements. 

Since it&#039;s the woke left that put them there (in some sense), it&#039;s understandable they would be attracted to what appears to be the antithesis-- not political but cultural.

&lt;b&gt;What is Happening on the Right. And Why - Konstantin Kisin&lt;/b&gt;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_Ww2XdllI]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting take on why there is such a large pool of white/underperforming young males that would be attracted to the vile rhetoric of someone like Nick Fuentes. This really isn&#8217;t any different than the vile rhetoric of a lot of rap music.</p>
<p>I think Kisin may be on to some of the pathologies that have created this dynamic. It&#8217;s been an observation for some time, that this generation are remaining perpetual boys, hooked on video games, hiding in their parents basements. </p>
<p>Since it&#8217;s the woke left that put them there (in some sense), it&#8217;s understandable they would be attracted to what appears to be the antithesis&#8211; not political but cultural.</p>
<p><b>What is Happening on the Right. And Why &#8211; Konstantin Kisin</b><br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_Ww2XdllI" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_Ww2XdllI</a></p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/11/06/open-thread-11-6-2025/#comment-2829213</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2025 21:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E:

No, the main criticism of Vance is that he does not correct obvious lies about Israel (including various forms of the blood libel) from his questioners or from his buddy Tucker Carlson.

From AI on the subject:

&lt;blockquote&gt;During a recent event at a university, Vice President JD Vance was criticized for his response to a questioner who made several controversial and false claims about Israel, including that the U.S. owes Israel nothing, that Israel &quot;openly supports its prosecution&quot; of Christianity, and that U.S. aid potentially covers &quot;ethnic cleansing in Gaza&quot;. Critics, including a columnist for The Atlantic, argued that Vance failed to directly challenge or correct these specific &quot;anti-Semitic elements&quot; of the questioner&#039;s statements. &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E:</p>
<p>No, the main criticism of Vance is that he does not correct obvious lies about Israel (including various forms of the blood libel) from his questioners or from his buddy Tucker Carlson.</p>
<p>From AI on the subject:</p>
<blockquote><p>During a recent event at a university, Vice President JD Vance was criticized for his response to a questioner who made several controversial and false claims about Israel, including that the U.S. owes Israel nothing, that Israel &#8220;openly supports its prosecution&#8221; of Christianity, and that U.S. aid potentially covers &#8220;ethnic cleansing in Gaza&#8221;. Critics, including a columnist for The Atlantic, argued that Vance failed to directly challenge or correct these specific &#8220;anti-Semitic elements&#8221; of the questioner&#8217;s statements. </p></blockquote>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2025 21:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Brian E: Do you know what sarcasm is?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; - om

You might want to use the sarc tag.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Brian E: Do you know what sarcasm is?&#8221;</i> &#8211; om</p>
<p>You might want to use the sarc tag.</p>
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		By: Marisa		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/11/06/open-thread-11-6-2025/#comment-2829211</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marisa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2025 20:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E:

Apologies for being spelling police, but it&#039;s *losing* the debate, not &quot;loosing&quot;.

You too, om.

Why is this error so maddeningly common among intelligent, articulate commenters?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E:</p>
<p>Apologies for being spelling police, but it&#8217;s *losing* the debate, not &#8220;loosing&#8221;.</p>
<p>You too, om.</p>
<p>Why is this error so maddeningly common among intelligent, articulate commenters?</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/11/06/open-thread-11-6-2025/#comment-2829210</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2025 20:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IMO, juries should make binary decisions - guilty v. not guilty, liable v. not liable.  Scalar quantities should be determined in adversary proceedings after the trial, by a judge assisted by assessors drawn from professions other than law and with expert testimony heard.  
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&lt;i&gt;that may give the insurance company grounds to refuse to pay.&lt;/i&gt;
==
Sez who?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, juries should make binary decisions &#8211; guilty v. not guilty, liable v. not liable.  Scalar quantities should be determined in adversary proceedings after the trial, by a judge assisted by assessors drawn from professions other than law and with expert testimony heard.<br />
==<br />
<i>that may give the insurance company grounds to refuse to pay.</i><br />
==<br />
Sez who?</p>
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