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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/17/rip-robert-redford/#comment-2822861</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2025 15:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Downhill Racer is a fine film. 

Keep an eye out for Gene Hackman as the team coach.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downhill Racer is a fine film. </p>
<p>Keep an eye out for Gene Hackman as the team coach.</p>
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		By: Mitchell Strand		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/17/rip-robert-redford/#comment-2822854</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitchell Strand]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2025 14:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Natural is one of my favorite movies. So many moments and lines. And I think Redford&#039;s performance is really understated. He&#039;s playing a chastened man who has really paid for his youthful indiscretions and naivete. Like he tells Wilford Brimley, &quot;Well, I kinda got sidetracked.&quot; Listen to his voice for that line.

But the best part about it is the producers wisely changed the ending. In the book, Roy takes the bribe and throws the game. I know there was something Malamud was trying to say about America, but in the movies in 1984, nobody wanted to hear it. We still wanted baseball stories that uplifted us, that had heroes, that were, in some sense, pure.

I think we still do want those kinds of movies, but it hasn&#039;t been what we&#039;ve been getting, with few exceptions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Natural is one of my favorite movies. So many moments and lines. And I think Redford&#8217;s performance is really understated. He&#8217;s playing a chastened man who has really paid for his youthful indiscretions and naivete. Like he tells Wilford Brimley, &#8220;Well, I kinda got sidetracked.&#8221; Listen to his voice for that line.</p>
<p>But the best part about it is the producers wisely changed the ending. In the book, Roy takes the bribe and throws the game. I know there was something Malamud was trying to say about America, but in the movies in 1984, nobody wanted to hear it. We still wanted baseball stories that uplifted us, that had heroes, that were, in some sense, pure.</p>
<p>I think we still do want those kinds of movies, but it hasn&#8217;t been what we&#8217;ve been getting, with few exceptions.</p>
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		By: Mike Plaiss		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/17/rip-robert-redford/#comment-2822851</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2025 14:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can’t find a free version of it but the sports section of the WSJ - yes, they have one, Jason Gay is great - says Robert Redford made a sports movie masterpiece, and it’s not The Natural.

Downhill Racer.  Never heard of it. 85% on Rotten Tomatoes, so there’s that.

https://www.wsj.com/sports/robert-redford-downhill-racer-64685d21

And just seeing that TommyJay already mentioned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t find a free version of it but the sports section of the WSJ &#8211; yes, they have one, Jason Gay is great &#8211; says Robert Redford made a sports movie masterpiece, and it’s not The Natural.</p>
<p>Downhill Racer.  Never heard of it. 85% on Rotten Tomatoes, so there’s that.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.wsj.com/sports/robert-redford-downhill-racer-64685d21" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.wsj.com/sports/robert-redford-downhill-racer-64685d21</a></p>
<p>And just seeing that TommyJay already mentioned.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2025 08:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Certainly couldn&#039;t afford to have John Wane play anyone else except John Wayne.
In cases like that, the plot and the other characters have to be particularly engaging.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly couldn&#8217;t afford to have John Wane play anyone else except John Wayne.<br />
In cases like that, the plot and the other characters have to be particularly engaging.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2025 05:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some movie stars always play their star personalities. It&#039;s not necessarily a bad thing.

Humphrey Bogart, John Wayne, Paul Newman, Steve McQueen come to mind.

Others are more versatile, such as Dustin Hoffman, Alec Guinness, Laurence Olivier, Michael Caine.

I&#039;m sure both lists can be more extensively filled out. Actresses are a bit trickier for me to sort.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some movie stars always play their star personalities. It&#8217;s not necessarily a bad thing.</p>
<p>Humphrey Bogart, John Wayne, Paul Newman, Steve McQueen come to mind.</p>
<p>Others are more versatile, such as Dustin Hoffman, Alec Guinness, Laurence Olivier, Michael Caine.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure both lists can be more extensively filled out. Actresses are a bit trickier for me to sort.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2025 04:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan: &quot;Some great actors can get past that limitation.&quot; 
Yes, sometimes we go to see a film because of the actor, or just the &quot;type&quot; role that he/she plays. Bruce Willis and Denzel Washington and Gene Hackman fit that bill for me. Tom Cruise has some appeal but he still always remains Tom as well as Ethan or Reacher or whomever.
 I vaguely recall a movie with Samuel Jackson as the detective, who remained convincing in that role despite his fame, while Katherine  &quot;somebody&quot; (I don&#039;t recall who right now) could not get into her character enough to provide credibility to her fictional role.

Then again, as audience members, we are also obligated to bring some suspension of belief or of reality, and ignore that we are purposefully being &quot;deceived!&quot; Sometimes the plot line or writing just does not carry that suspension well, either.  With CGI, etc., that level of suspension can get pretty exotic, especially for sci fi stories. 
Some versions of historical representations or historical personages are also pretty difficult to achieve. The hardness and harshness of real life for those times probably cannot be fully felt or replicated, in any case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan: &#8220;Some great actors can get past that limitation.&#8221;<br />
Yes, sometimes we go to see a film because of the actor, or just the &#8220;type&#8221; role that he/she plays. Bruce Willis and Denzel Washington and Gene Hackman fit that bill for me. Tom Cruise has some appeal but he still always remains Tom as well as Ethan or Reacher or whomever.<br />
 I vaguely recall a movie with Samuel Jackson as the detective, who remained convincing in that role despite his fame, while Katherine  &#8220;somebody&#8221; (I don&#8217;t recall who right now) could not get into her character enough to provide credibility to her fictional role.</p>
<p>Then again, as audience members, we are also obligated to bring some suspension of belief or of reality, and ignore that we are purposefully being &#8220;deceived!&#8221; Sometimes the plot line or writing just does not carry that suspension well, either.  With CGI, etc., that level of suspension can get pretty exotic, especially for sci fi stories.<br />
Some versions of historical representations or historical personages are also pretty difficult to achieve. The hardness and harshness of real life for those times probably cannot be fully felt or replicated, in any case.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/17/rip-robert-redford/#comment-2822792</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2025 02:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Richard Aubry &#062; &quot;he was Robert Redford, which took out some of the voluntary suspension of disbelief you need for fiction and movies.&quot;

That&#039;s the curse of all popular actors and actresses once past the &quot;new hire&quot; phase of their careers, where they haven&#039;t yet gotten an established presence in the minds of the viewers.
Of course, some people then come to SEE &quot;Robert Redford&quot; and don&#039;t care if his character fits a now-familiar stereotype, and a lot of times the studios (more common in the past eras, I think) won&#039;t let them take parts against the money-making type they&#039;ve established in their early productions. 

Some great actors can get past that limitation

I think theater actors have a better chance of playing more divergent parts.

That said, I think Redford brought a lot of skill to each of his roles, even though the plots and characters had a &quot;family resemblance,&quot; putting across the intent of the script with his acting, as did all the really great popular stars.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Richard Aubry &gt; &#8220;he was Robert Redford, which took out some of the voluntary suspension of disbelief you need for fiction and movies.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the curse of all popular actors and actresses once past the &#8220;new hire&#8221; phase of their careers, where they haven&#8217;t yet gotten an established presence in the minds of the viewers.<br />
Of course, some people then come to SEE &#8220;Robert Redford&#8221; and don&#8217;t care if his character fits a now-familiar stereotype, and a lot of times the studios (more common in the past eras, I think) won&#8217;t let them take parts against the money-making type they&#8217;ve established in their early productions. </p>
<p>Some great actors can get past that limitation</p>
<p>I think theater actors have a better chance of playing more divergent parts.</p>
<p>That said, I think Redford brought a lot of skill to each of his roles, even though the plots and characters had a &#8220;family resemblance,&#8221; putting across the intent of the script with his acting, as did all the really great popular stars.</p>
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		By: Wendy K Laubach		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2025 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Out of Africa.
Spy Games.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of Africa.<br />
Spy Games.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/17/rip-robert-redford/#comment-2822766</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2025 23:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I saw a few of his movies. Sorry to be a loser on this; he was always Robert Redford.  Never the character.
Some of the movies were interesting, but he was Robert Redford, which took out some of the voluntary suspension of disbelief you need for fiction and movies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a few of his movies. Sorry to be a loser on this; he was always Robert Redford.  Never the character.<br />
Some of the movies were interesting, but he was Robert Redford, which took out some of the voluntary suspension of disbelief you need for fiction and movies.</p>
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		By: Skip		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2025 22:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I liked him in many movies
His politics I doubt agreed with anything he ever said.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked him in many movies<br />
His politics I doubt agreed with anything he ever said.</p>
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