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		By: Jim Armstrong		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/15/open-thread-9-15-2025/#comment-2822523</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 14:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The wife and I got to see a travelling exhibit of &quot;The Wave&quot; in Kansas City last year, at the Nelson-Atkins museum of art. It was quite beautiful, with many examples of other artist&#039;s interpretation of the work, plus a huge Lego version of it. I really came to appreciate the work involved in making these wood block prints. If you get the opportunity to see the exhibit, I highly recommend going!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wife and I got to see a travelling exhibit of &#8220;The Wave&#8221; in Kansas City last year, at the Nelson-Atkins museum of art. It was quite beautiful, with many examples of other artist&#8217;s interpretation of the work, plus a huge Lego version of it. I really came to appreciate the work involved in making these wood block prints. If you get the opportunity to see the exhibit, I highly recommend going!</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 04:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Look up Beers law vis CO2. The 15micron photons available are depleted by 300ppm CO2. Adding more CO2 doesn’t have much effect on its greenhouse property. Water vapor, by orders of magnitude, is the primary GH gas.&lt;/i&gt;

physicsguy:

Yes, I&#039;m aware of that though not the name. Not much effect is still an effect. 

My understanding is the effect is logarithmic. Each doubling of CO2 increases the radiative forcing. So it takes more and more CO2 to have a warming effect, but that doesn&#039;t mean the effect goes to zero.

Water vapor doesn&#039;t accumulate in the atmosphere as CO2 does. Different situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Look up Beers law vis CO2. The 15micron photons available are depleted by 300ppm CO2. Adding more CO2 doesn’t have much effect on its greenhouse property. Water vapor, by orders of magnitude, is the primary GH gas.</i></p>
<p>physicsguy:</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m aware of that though not the name. Not much effect is still an effect. </p>
<p>My understanding is the effect is logarithmic. Each doubling of CO2 increases the radiative forcing. So it takes more and more CO2 to have a warming effect, but that doesn&#8217;t mean the effect goes to zero.</p>
<p>Water vapor doesn&#8217;t accumulate in the atmosphere as CO2 does. Different situation.</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 03:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello. Today, after ten full years of owning my current car, I discovered a minor but useful feature that had escaped me for the whole time. I was a little bit embarrassed. Does that happen to anyone else?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. Today, after ten full years of owning my current car, I discovered a minor but useful feature that had escaped me for the whole time. I was a little bit embarrassed. Does that happen to anyone else?</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 03:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related (Bjorn Lomborg):

&quot;Fear mongering predictions about climate change keep falling apart&quot;--
https://nypost.com/2025/09/15/opinion/fearmongering-predictions-about-climate-change-keep-falling-apart/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related (Bjorn Lomborg):</p>
<p>&#8220;Fear mongering predictions about climate change keep falling apart&#8221;&#8211;<br />
<a href="https://nypost.com/2025/09/15/opinion/fearmongering-predictions-about-climate-change-keep-falling-apart/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2025/09/15/opinion/fearmongering-predictions-about-climate-change-keep-falling-apart/</a></p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 01:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates on September 15, 2025 at 11:52 am

I didn&#039;t view Plaiss&#039; linked content.  But your comment is excellent.

My experiences as a physics educator spanned from fun, to pleasant, to miserable, but one of the high points was the one time I was allowed to teach basic physics.  The course eventually arrived at the point where I, the lecturer, was supposed to say &quot;Blah, blah, Poisson&#039;s spot, blah, blah.&quot;  Well, I remembered my college physics course and how impressed I was by that example of wave theory, and this time I said, &quot;Hell, let&#039;s demonstrate this!&quot;

I used a nice laser pointer, a hand-held lens to spread the beam, a small ball bearing glued to a microscope slide, and a sheet of Xerox paper as a screen.  With the room lights off, it worked beautifully.

While I have a slight knowledge of physics history, I did not know that Poisson was a nay sayer on whether the spot would appear.  Fascinating!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niketas Choniates on September 15, 2025 at 11:52 am</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t view Plaiss&#8217; linked content.  But your comment is excellent.</p>
<p>My experiences as a physics educator spanned from fun, to pleasant, to miserable, but one of the high points was the one time I was allowed to teach basic physics.  The course eventually arrived at the point where I, the lecturer, was supposed to say &#8220;Blah, blah, Poisson&#8217;s spot, blah, blah.&#8221;  Well, I remembered my college physics course and how impressed I was by that example of wave theory, and this time I said, &#8220;Hell, let&#8217;s demonstrate this!&#8221;</p>
<p>I used a nice laser pointer, a hand-held lens to spread the beam, a small ball bearing glued to a microscope slide, and a sheet of Xerox paper as a screen.  With the room lights off, it worked beautifully.</p>
<p>While I have a slight knowledge of physics history, I did not know that Poisson was a nay sayer on whether the spot would appear.  Fascinating!</p>
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		By: Thomas J Hofler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 01:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates on September 15, 2025 at 11:52 am

I didn&#039;t view Plaiss&#039; linked content.  But your comment is excellent.

My experiences as a physics educator spanned from fun, to pleasant, to miserable, but one of the high points was the one time I was allowed to teach basic physics.  The course eventually arrived at the point where I, the lecturer, was supposed to say &quot;Blah, blah, Poisson&#039;s spot, blah, blah.&quot;  Well, I remembered my college physics course and how impressed I was by that example of wave theory, and this time I said, &quot;Hell, let&#039;s demonstrate this!&quot;

I used a nice laser pointer, a hand-held lens to spread the beam, a small ball bearing glued to a microscope slide, and a sheet of Xerox paper as a screen.  With the room lights off, it worked beautifully.

While I have a slight knowledge of physics history, I did not know that Poisson was a nay sayer on whether the spot would appear.  Fascinating!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niketas Choniates on September 15, 2025 at 11:52 am</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t view Plaiss&#8217; linked content.  But your comment is excellent.</p>
<p>My experiences as a physics educator spanned from fun, to pleasant, to miserable, but one of the high points was the one time I was allowed to teach basic physics.  The course eventually arrived at the point where I, the lecturer, was supposed to say &#8220;Blah, blah, Poisson&#8217;s spot, blah, blah.&#8221;  Well, I remembered my college physics course and how impressed I was by that example of wave theory, and this time I said, &#8220;Hell, let&#8217;s demonstrate this!&#8221;</p>
<p>I used a nice laser pointer, a hand-held lens to spread the beam, a small ball bearing glued to a microscope slide, and a sheet of Xerox paper as a screen.  With the room lights off, it worked beautifully.</p>
<p>While I have a slight knowledge of physics history, I did not know that Poisson was a nay sayer on whether the spot would appear.  Fascinating!</p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 01:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley,

Look up Beers law vis CO2. The 15micron photons available are depleted by 300ppm CO2. Adding more CO2 doesn&#039;t have much effect on its greenhouse property.  Water vapor, by orders of magnitude, is the primary GH gas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley,</p>
<p>Look up Beers law vis CO2. The 15micron photons available are depleted by 300ppm CO2. Adding more CO2 doesn&#8217;t have much effect on its greenhouse property.  Water vapor, by orders of magnitude, is the primary GH gas.</p>
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		By: Fraggle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 00:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“bof” asks one of the most interesting questions I’ve seen posited on this (I mean no offense) milquetoast conservative website.  Essentially, do the gay men dating other gay men who “identify” as women square the circle in their minds that they are straight and hence “normal”?  I can see the attraction to this thinking by the Kirk assassin who was raised Mormon.  Then you have Iran, whose leader said in a speech at Columbia that they had “no gays in Iran” since they were all transgender women]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“bof” asks one of the most interesting questions I’ve seen posited on this (I mean no offense) milquetoast conservative website.  Essentially, do the gay men dating other gay men who “identify” as women square the circle in their minds that they are straight and hence “normal”?  I can see the attraction to this thinking by the Kirk assassin who was raised Mormon.  Then you have Iran, whose leader said in a speech at Columbia that they had “no gays in Iran” since they were all transgender women</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2025 22:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[3I/Atlas Is Changing Course

According to the reports linked below NASA, Harvard, and others studying 3I/Atlas have detected that 3I/Atlas is changing it&#039;s course.*

Moreover, they&#039;ve also detected that 3I/Atlas is releasing gas on a precise schedule, every 17 minutes. Random ejections of gas by a comet, yes, but on a strict 17 minute schedule?

No comet does that.  

So, it is increasingly looking like 3I/Atlas is some sort of Alien technology.

Current thinking is that, instead of passing well away from Mars--as it would have before these course changes--3I/Atlas could possibly strike Mars and, if it does so, the enormous amount of energy released by this impact, and its destructive power, will not only destroy all of our various rovers on the ground and our satellites in orbit, it will also eject a huge wall of debris which, it is estimated,  several years in the future, will intersect with Earth.  

*  See  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCDgjo7qcqo
and see also  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCDgjo7qcqo&#038;t=15s]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3I/Atlas Is Changing Course</p>
<p>According to the reports linked below NASA, Harvard, and others studying 3I/Atlas have detected that 3I/Atlas is changing it&#8217;s course.*</p>
<p>Moreover, they&#8217;ve also detected that 3I/Atlas is releasing gas on a precise schedule, every 17 minutes. Random ejections of gas by a comet, yes, but on a strict 17 minute schedule?</p>
<p>No comet does that.  </p>
<p>So, it is increasingly looking like 3I/Atlas is some sort of Alien technology.</p>
<p>Current thinking is that, instead of passing well away from Mars&#8211;as it would have before these course changes&#8211;3I/Atlas could possibly strike Mars and, if it does so, the enormous amount of energy released by this impact, and its destructive power, will not only destroy all of our various rovers on the ground and our satellites in orbit, it will also eject a huge wall of debris which, it is estimated,  several years in the future, will intersect with Earth.  </p>
<p>*  See  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCDgjo7qcqo" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCDgjo7qcqo</a><br />
and see also  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCDgjo7qcqo&#038;t=15s" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCDgjo7qcqo&#038;t=15s</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2025 21:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think anthropogenic global warming is a fact. 

We are now pumping 37 billion metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year ... increasing each year. 

CO2 is a greenhouse gas. I see no reason to doubt adding that amount of CO2 each year doesn&#039;t have an effect. 

I just don&#039;t see this is in the apocalyptic terms the climate change orthodoxy insists upon. Mine is called the lukewarmist position.

Whatever the effects are, however, I believe we are better off dealing with them as the arise rather than to attempting to abruptly dismantle the global energy infrastructure with Net Zero carbon emissions and convert to &quot;sustainable&quot; energy.

Even if we had to, I still think it would be a disaster to put the climate change folks in charge. They are a leftist political movement, not scientific. They would make things worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think anthropogenic global warming is a fact. </p>
<p>We are now pumping 37 billion metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year &#8230; increasing each year. </p>
<p>CO2 is a greenhouse gas. I see no reason to doubt adding that amount of CO2 each year doesn&#8217;t have an effect. </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t see this is in the apocalyptic terms the climate change orthodoxy insists upon. Mine is called the lukewarmist position.</p>
<p>Whatever the effects are, however, I believe we are better off dealing with them as the arise rather than to attempting to abruptly dismantle the global energy infrastructure with Net Zero carbon emissions and convert to &#8220;sustainable&#8221; energy.</p>
<p>Even if we had to, I still think it would be a disaster to put the climate change folks in charge. They are a leftist political movement, not scientific. They would make things worse.</p>
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