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		By: Xylourgos		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/13/open-thread-9-13-2025/#comment-2822238</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 16:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It has been a rough week for most of us that visit here. Perhaps a trip back to another place and time is in order now.

https://www.ekathimerini.com/culture/1280395/hydra-in-the-1960s-a-musicians-saronic-paradise/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been a rough week for most of us that visit here. Perhaps a trip back to another place and time is in order now.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.ekathimerini.com/culture/1280395/hydra-in-the-1960s-a-musicians-saronic-paradise/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.ekathimerini.com/culture/1280395/hydra-in-the-1960s-a-musicians-saronic-paradise/</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/13/open-thread-9-13-2025/#comment-2822211</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 06:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Powerline link to the Oxford story seems to be okay now.
https://x.com/jamespriceglos/status/1966548243677946213]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Powerline link to the Oxford story seems to be okay now.<br />
<a href="https://x.com/jamespriceglos/status/1966548243677946213" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/jamespriceglos/status/1966548243677946213</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/13/open-thread-9-13-2025/#comment-2822208</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 05:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I’ve seen that done, but although there are good reasons for meditation, it is NOT prayer.&lt;/i&gt;

AesopFan:

I can go either way. 

Basically I see Christianity as a form of bhakti yoga -- devotional love of God -- which doesn&#039;t please most Christians for reasons I understand but don&#039;t worry about.

Neem Karoli Baba, a 20th C Hindu guru, had many Western disciples. He enjoyed telling them they ought to return to Christianity, which annoyed the Westerners. He spoke very lovingly of Christ.

One of his Western disciples was renamed Krishna Das and he became a rock star on the Western kirtan (Hindu chanting) circuit. 

One of his concert numbers was to tell a long shaggy dog story about going deep into the jungles of India and encountering a magnificent statue of a god who seemed to be holding a telephone to his ear. 

The chants to this god were no longer intelligible, but Krishna Das was going to sing them anyway and perhaps the audience would glean some meaning from them:
___________________________

&lt;i&gt;Jesus on the mainline, tell him what you want.
Jesus on the mainline, tell him what you want.
Jesus on the mainline, tell him what you want.
You can call him up and tell him what you want.

--Krishna Das, &quot;Jesus on the Mainline&quot; 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV2FNSAkUYg&lt;/i&gt;
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Actually it&#039;s a black gospel song after the telephone was invented. That&#039;s how Krishna Das rolls.

Works for me as prayer or meditation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’ve seen that done, but although there are good reasons for meditation, it is NOT prayer.</i></p>
<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p>I can go either way. </p>
<p>Basically I see Christianity as a form of bhakti yoga &#8212; devotional love of God &#8212; which doesn&#8217;t please most Christians for reasons I understand but don&#8217;t worry about.</p>
<p>Neem Karoli Baba, a 20th C Hindu guru, had many Western disciples. He enjoyed telling them they ought to return to Christianity, which annoyed the Westerners. He spoke very lovingly of Christ.</p>
<p>One of his Western disciples was renamed Krishna Das and he became a rock star on the Western kirtan (Hindu chanting) circuit. </p>
<p>One of his concert numbers was to tell a long shaggy dog story about going deep into the jungles of India and encountering a magnificent statue of a god who seemed to be holding a telephone to his ear. </p>
<p>The chants to this god were no longer intelligible, but Krishna Das was going to sing them anyway and perhaps the audience would glean some meaning from them:<br />
___________________________</p>
<p><i>Jesus on the mainline, tell him what you want.<br />
Jesus on the mainline, tell him what you want.<br />
Jesus on the mainline, tell him what you want.<br />
You can call him up and tell him what you want.</p>
<p>&#8211;Krishna Das, &#8220;Jesus on the Mainline&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV2FNSAkUYg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV2FNSAkUYg</a></i><br />
___________________________</p>
<p>Actually it&#8217;s a black gospel song after the telephone was invented. That&#8217;s how Krishna Das rolls.</p>
<p>Works for me as prayer or meditation.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/13/open-thread-9-13-2025/#comment-2822207</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 05:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Contra Bill Maher again:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5502376-trump-hopes-nation-will-heal-claims-radical-left-obstacle/
President Trump, in a Saturday interview, said he hopes the nation heals after the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, but blamed the “radical left” for being an obstacle in that healing.

“I’d like to see it [the nation] heal,” the president said in a brief telephone interview with NBC News. “But we’re dealing with a radical left group of lunatics, and they don’t play fair and they never did.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contra Bill Maher again:<br />
<a href="https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5502376-trump-hopes-nation-will-heal-claims-radical-left-obstacle/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5502376-trump-hopes-nation-will-heal-claims-radical-left-obstacle/</a><br />
President Trump, in a Saturday interview, said he hopes the nation heals after the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, but blamed the “radical left” for being an obstacle in that healing.</p>
<p>“I’d like to see it [the nation] heal,” the president said in a brief telephone interview with NBC News. “But we’re dealing with a radical left group of lunatics, and they don’t play fair and they never did.”</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/13/open-thread-9-13-2025/#comment-2822198</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 04:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also from Gateway Pundit, although I think Powerline tried to link a similar story in their headline picks (it came up with a different one, wrong URL or something).

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/shocking-oxford-union-trust-secretary-resigns-protest-after/

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The Honorary Secretary of the Oxford Literary and Debating Union Trust (OLDUT), the charity that owns the Oxford Union’s buildings and oversees its charitable responsibilities, has resigned in protest, citing the callous behavior of the Oxford Union’s President-Elect following the assassination of Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk in the United States.

The Secretary declared he could no longer remain in his role as the Union’s charitable overseer while its incoming leadership celebrates political violence and trustees refuse to intervene.

After news broke that Kirk had been shot, Oxford Union President-elect George Abaraonye allegedly wrote on Telegram, “Charlie Kirk got shot, let’s f*ing go,” according to The Telegraph.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

IMO, the fault is not so much with Abaraonye (his vitriol is disgusting, but he is entitled to his opinion), but with the people who elected him. 

This is the same problem we see in one institution after another, captured in Iowahawk&#039;s classic description of The Skin Suit.

https://x.com/iowahawkblog/status/664089892599631872?lang=en
David Burge @iowahawkblog
1. Identify a respected institution.
2. kill it.
3. gut it.
4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.
#lefties]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also from Gateway Pundit, although I think Powerline tried to link a similar story in their headline picks (it came up with a different one, wrong URL or something).</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/shocking-oxford-union-trust-secretary-resigns-protest-after/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/shocking-oxford-union-trust-secretary-resigns-protest-after/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
The Honorary Secretary of the Oxford Literary and Debating Union Trust (OLDUT), the charity that owns the Oxford Union’s buildings and oversees its charitable responsibilities, has resigned in protest, citing the callous behavior of the Oxford Union’s President-Elect following the assassination of Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk in the United States.</p>
<p>The Secretary declared he could no longer remain in his role as the Union’s charitable overseer while its incoming leadership celebrates political violence and trustees refuse to intervene.</p>
<p>After news broke that Kirk had been shot, Oxford Union President-elect George Abaraonye allegedly wrote on Telegram, “Charlie Kirk got shot, let’s f*ing go,” according to The Telegraph.</p></blockquote>
<p>IMO, the fault is not so much with Abaraonye (his vitriol is disgusting, but he is entitled to his opinion), but with the people who elected him. </p>
<p>This is the same problem we see in one institution after another, captured in Iowahawk&#8217;s classic description of The Skin Suit.</p>
<p><a href="https://x.com/iowahawkblog/status/664089892599631872?lang=en" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/iowahawkblog/status/664089892599631872?lang=en</a><br />
David Burge @iowahawkblog<br />
1. Identify a respected institution.<br />
2. kill it.<br />
3. gut it.<br />
4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.<br />
#lefties</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/13/open-thread-9-13-2025/#comment-2822196</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 04:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ huxley &#062; &quot;Maybe Jews and Christians should market praying as meditation so the bi-coastal folks can get it.&quot;

I&#039;ve seen that done, but although there are good reasons for meditation, it is NOT prayer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ huxley &gt; &#8220;Maybe Jews and Christians should market praying as meditation so the bi-coastal folks can get it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen that done, but although there are good reasons for meditation, it is NOT prayer.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/13/open-thread-9-13-2025/#comment-2822195</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 04:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ cb - It seems to me that the Albanian government gave a pretty good reason for enlisting some AI help to combat corruption and the difficulty of overseeing spending, but it does seem a little excessive to give it a cabinet post.

Caligula&#039;s horse comes to mind, although that appointment was for different reasons, and he was a trifle insane.

Wikipedia: &quot;According to Suetonius in the Lives of the Twelve Caesars (121 AD), Caligula planned to make Incitatus a consul,[1] and the horse would &quot;invite&quot; dignitaries to dine with him in a house outfitted with servants there to entertain such events. Suetonius also wrote that the horse had a stable of marble, with an ivory manger, purple blankets and a collar of precious stones.

Cassius Dio (165–235 AD) indicated that the horse was attended by servants and was fed oats mixed with gold flake,[2] and that Caligula made the horse a priest.[3]...
The accuracy of the received history is generally questioned.&quot;

I did not know this: &quot;Caligula&#039;s Horse is an Australian progressive metal band from Brisbane, Queensland.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ cb &#8211; It seems to me that the Albanian government gave a pretty good reason for enlisting some AI help to combat corruption and the difficulty of overseeing spending, but it does seem a little excessive to give it a cabinet post.</p>
<p>Caligula&#8217;s horse comes to mind, although that appointment was for different reasons, and he was a trifle insane.</p>
<p>Wikipedia: &#8220;According to Suetonius in the Lives of the Twelve Caesars (121 AD), Caligula planned to make Incitatus a consul,[1] and the horse would &#8220;invite&#8221; dignitaries to dine with him in a house outfitted with servants there to entertain such events. Suetonius also wrote that the horse had a stable of marble, with an ivory manger, purple blankets and a collar of precious stones.</p>
<p>Cassius Dio (165–235 AD) indicated that the horse was attended by servants and was fed oats mixed with gold flake,[2] and that Caligula made the horse a priest.[3]&#8230;<br />
The accuracy of the received history is generally questioned.&#8221;</p>
<p>I did not know this: &#8220;Caligula&#8217;s Horse is an Australian progressive metal band from Brisbane, Queensland.&#8221;</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/13/open-thread-9-13-2025/#comment-2822194</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 03:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan:

&lt;i&gt;Their reaction to Kirk’s assassination became too big too fast for them to hide.&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly. When they tell you who they are, believe them. More and more Americans do.

&lt;i&gt;Personally, I find that praying verbally keeps my mind from wandering off-track.&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly again. God doesn&#039;t need prayers. We do.

Maybe Jews and Christians should market praying as meditation so the bi-coastal folks can get it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p><i>Their reaction to Kirk’s assassination became too big too fast for them to hide.</i></p>
<p>Exactly. When they tell you who they are, believe them. More and more Americans do.</p>
<p><i>Personally, I find that praying verbally keeps my mind from wandering off-track.</i></p>
<p>Exactly again. God doesn&#8217;t need prayers. We do.</p>
<p>Maybe Jews and Christians should market praying as meditation so the bi-coastal folks can get it.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/13/open-thread-9-13-2025/#comment-2822193</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 03:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW - the athletic feats in Neo&#039;s video are amazing. Some of the people show up more than once, especially the woman who does chin ups with barbell weights on her feet (!!), and some of the skaters. The girls are not a whit behind the boys in their skills.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW &#8211; the athletic feats in Neo&#8217;s video are amazing. Some of the people show up more than once, especially the woman who does chin ups with barbell weights on her feet (!!), and some of the skaters. The girls are not a whit behind the boys in their skills.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 03:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m watching a long-form Bill Maher / Charlie Kirk interview from four months ago.

&lt;i&gt;--Bill Maher, &quot;Charlie Kirk &#124; Club Random&quot; (97 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OblCcO7-Alg&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m struck by how open and decent Kirk is. You might say Christian. Clearly he doesn&#039;t agree with Maher on many points, but no interruptions, no shout-downs, no put-downs.

Maher is OK, but he takes Kirk&#039;s decency as an opportunity to do most of the talking.

Charlie, I hardly knew ye.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m watching a long-form Bill Maher / Charlie Kirk interview from four months ago.</p>
<p><i>&#8211;Bill Maher, &#8220;Charlie Kirk | Club Random&#8221; (97 minutes)<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OblCcO7-Alg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OblCcO7-Alg</a></i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m struck by how open and decent Kirk is. You might say Christian. Clearly he doesn&#8217;t agree with Maher on many points, but no interruptions, no shout-downs, no put-downs.</p>
<p>Maher is OK, but he takes Kirk&#8217;s decency as an opportunity to do most of the talking.</p>
<p>Charlie, I hardly knew ye.</p>
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