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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan,

There is no Gospel I know of that references changing the date of the Sabbath and Jesus practiced the traditional, Saturday Sabbath placement from what we read in scriptures. Except when the Pharisees and Sadducees were accusing him of violating it to cure the sick and save people.

However, I believe I have heard a Catholic Priest or two address the reasoning for the Catholic Church making Sunday the weekday for holy obligation is from the tradition of it being a Sunday when Christ rose from the dead.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan,</p>
<p>There is no Gospel I know of that references changing the date of the Sabbath and Jesus practiced the traditional, Saturday Sabbath placement from what we read in scriptures. Except when the Pharisees and Sadducees were accusing him of violating it to cure the sick and save people.</p>
<p>However, I believe I have heard a Catholic Priest or two address the reasoning for the Catholic Church making Sunday the weekday for holy obligation is from the tradition of it being a Sunday when Christ rose from the dead.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 18:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rick67@11:22am,

Something tells me Charlie would have give that young woman the hat off his head at least seven times seventy times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick67@11:22am,</p>
<p>Something tells me Charlie would have give that young woman the hat off his head at least seven times seventy times.</p>
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		By: Rick67		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Philip, thanks. I appreciate your further thoughts on how Jesus responded in John 7-10.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip, thanks. I appreciate your further thoughts on how Jesus responded in John 7-10.</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Sells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 10:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rick67, of course. I left my thought about the spiritual approach to the whole thing extremely unfinished, obviously, but it&#039;s a little bit along the lines of your point drawing from the prophet above. I was thinking more of Our Lord&#039;s own approach and that of the martyrs that we commemorate. See the hostile interactions with the Judeans described in John 7 to 10, for example. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
which I grab onto in this context as a way of noting that, while it is true that they claimed instead to want to stone Him on account of things He had said rather than done, there were also the good works in play; and these should also be part of what one who would be any sort of martyr following in Kirk&#039;s footsteps brings to the table.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick67, of course. I left my thought about the spiritual approach to the whole thing extremely unfinished, obviously, but it&#8217;s a little bit along the lines of your point drawing from the prophet above. I was thinking more of Our Lord&#8217;s own approach and that of the martyrs that we commemorate. See the hostile interactions with the Judeans described in John 7 to 10, for example. </p>
<blockquote><p>Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?”</p></blockquote>
<p>which I grab onto in this context as a way of noting that, while it is true that they claimed instead to want to stone Him on account of things He had said rather than done, there were also the good works in play; and these should also be part of what one who would be any sort of martyr following in Kirk&#8217;s footsteps brings to the table.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 08:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Jon baker - thanks for the link to the post about the Jewish man that Kirk converted to Judaism.
The last sentence shows a trait which, alone, would be enough for the Left to hate him.

Top comment:
Anti-Confusion 2 days ago

Charlie Kirk advocated that people read the basic texts of Western Civilization at least once a day and he practiced what he preached. He wanted people to read Plato, Aristotle, John Locke, the Federalist Papers, etc. But the single most important text was the Bible. What he saw there led him to a personal decision to turn off his phone from sundown Friday until Saturday night.

From a Halakhic perspective, there is no requirement for and no merit to a non-Jew observing the Sabbath, but his decision shows a remarkable level of intellectual honesty. Ask a Christian why his Sabbath is on Sunday, and you&#039;ll be amazed. There is actually no mention of such a thing in either the Old Testament or the New one.

In fact, a few Christian groups who reflected on the matter decided to move their Sabbath back to Saturday. The Seventh Day Adventists are the most obvious, but there were also &quot;Subotniks&quot; in Czarist Russia.

&lt;b&gt;As this article illustrates, it does seem that Charlie Kirk demonstrated an uncommon level of respect and warmth toward the Jewish people.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jon baker &#8211; thanks for the link to the post about the Jewish man that Kirk converted to Judaism.<br />
The last sentence shows a trait which, alone, would be enough for the Left to hate him.</p>
<p>Top comment:<br />
Anti-Confusion 2 days ago</p>
<p>Charlie Kirk advocated that people read the basic texts of Western Civilization at least once a day and he practiced what he preached. He wanted people to read Plato, Aristotle, John Locke, the Federalist Papers, etc. But the single most important text was the Bible. What he saw there led him to a personal decision to turn off his phone from sundown Friday until Saturday night.</p>
<p>From a Halakhic perspective, there is no requirement for and no merit to a non-Jew observing the Sabbath, but his decision shows a remarkable level of intellectual honesty. Ask a Christian why his Sabbath is on Sunday, and you&#8217;ll be amazed. There is actually no mention of such a thing in either the Old Testament or the New one.</p>
<p>In fact, a few Christian groups who reflected on the matter decided to move their Sabbath back to Saturday. The Seventh Day Adventists are the most obvious, but there were also &#8220;Subotniks&#8221; in Czarist Russia.</p>
<p><b>As this article illustrates, it does seem that Charlie Kirk demonstrated an uncommon level of respect and warmth toward the Jewish people.</b></p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Philip Sells on September 13, 2025 at 2:19 am:
Great comment: 
&quot;Hello, blog. After some processing today and yesterday, it strikes me that on an individual level, for a conservative or right-leaning person, there are two ways this can go: either toward hatred of those who hate us, or toward picking up what made Charlie Kirk* successful in the truest sense and continuing that.&quot;

I sense that if Mrs. Kirk is going to use her husband&#039;s martyrdom, she will have to find the balance of citing the hateful nature of the left that resulted in Charlie&#039;s death, vs. employing his ability to disagree without being disagreeable.  She needs the first to reduce the impact of the leftist&#039;s attempts at blaming him (and by extension her for carrying on his mission), and the second is needed for the &quot;more balanced left of center folks&quot; (plus some rightists) to let them accept and engage with their (still) erstwhile &quot;enemy&quot;. 

When I end up in conversations with my left of center liberal friends, sometimes we have to ignore politics due to TDS, but with some of them we end up with a &quot;pox on both their houses&quot; in describing the reality of the legislatures failing to find their own agreements across the aisle to address the modest (rather than rabid  or extreme versions of ) problems that need addressing (i.e., immigration, healthcare and insurance, proper levels of DOD budgeting, aiding business growth and job creation, and especially fiscal responsibility.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip Sells on September 13, 2025 at 2:19 am:<br />
Great comment:<br />
&#8220;Hello, blog. After some processing today and yesterday, it strikes me that on an individual level, for a conservative or right-leaning person, there are two ways this can go: either toward hatred of those who hate us, or toward picking up what made Charlie Kirk* successful in the truest sense and continuing that.&#8221;</p>
<p>I sense that if Mrs. Kirk is going to use her husband&#8217;s martyrdom, she will have to find the balance of citing the hateful nature of the left that resulted in Charlie&#8217;s death, vs. employing his ability to disagree without being disagreeable.  She needs the first to reduce the impact of the leftist&#8217;s attempts at blaming him (and by extension her for carrying on his mission), and the second is needed for the &#8220;more balanced left of center folks&#8221; (plus some rightists) to let them accept and engage with their (still) erstwhile &#8220;enemy&#8221;. </p>
<p>When I end up in conversations with my left of center liberal friends, sometimes we have to ignore politics due to TDS, but with some of them we end up with a &#8220;pox on both their houses&#8221; in describing the reality of the legislatures failing to find their own agreements across the aisle to address the modest (rather than rabid  or extreme versions of ) problems that need addressing (i.e., immigration, healthcare and insurance, proper levels of DOD budgeting, aiding business growth and job creation, and especially fiscal responsibility.)</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;No, we don’t need to “have a conversation”. 

You killed the guy willing to do that.&lt;/b&gt;

--Boyd Meyers
https://x.com/redsteeze/status/1966333803288572358&lt;/i&gt;
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Of course, the conversation the left wants to have is about gun violence and right-wing rhetoric and action, never about that of the left.
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&lt;i&gt;But I have to tell you, &lt;b&gt;I am very concerned about what that [right-wing] reaction [to Kirk&#039;s assassination] is going to be in the days and weeks and months ahead.&lt;/b&gt;

--Jonathan Capehart (speaking with David Brooks)
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/09/13/capehart_i_am_very_concerned_about_what_the_reaction_to_charlie_kirks_assassination_will_be.html&lt;/i&gt;
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The victim is never the real victim. The victim is the group of the perp which the left protects.

I find Capehart and Brooks particularly detestable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>No, we don’t need to “have a conversation”. </p>
<p>You killed the guy willing to do that.</b></p>
<p>&#8211;Boyd Meyers<br />
<a href="https://x.com/redsteeze/status/1966333803288572358" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/redsteeze/status/1966333803288572358</a></i><br />
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<p>Of course, the conversation the left wants to have is about gun violence and right-wing rhetoric and action, never about that of the left.<br />
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<p><i>But I have to tell you, <b>I am very concerned about what that [right-wing] reaction [to Kirk&#8217;s assassination] is going to be in the days and weeks and months ahead.</b></p>
<p>&#8211;Jonathan Capehart (speaking with David Brooks)<br />
<a href="https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/09/13/capehart_i_am_very_concerned_about_what_the_reaction_to_charlie_kirks_assassination_will_be.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/09/13/capehart_i_am_very_concerned_about_what_the_reaction_to_charlie_kirks_assassination_will_be.html</a></i><br />
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<p>The victim is never the real victim. The victim is the group of the perp which the left protects.</p>
<p>I find Capehart and Brooks particularly detestable.</p>
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		By: Grunt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grunt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;after allegedly sharing opinions&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Barf. Reason infinity + 1 why the MSM ranks somewhere below a snake&#039;s private parts in any measure worth measuring.

Another great quote:

&lt;i&gt;“If we create a climate of fear so that everyone is afraid to talk,” Goldstein added, “then we’ve actually kind of accomplished the goals of people who wanted to silence Charlie Kirk in the first place.”&lt;/i&gt;

Ah yes, the classic slap-them-with-their-own-principles trick.

&quot;Well, Jesus said to turn the other cheek, dontcha&#039;know?&quot;

Yes. But not in perpetuity. Reference the cleansing of the Temple.

Sometimes enough is enough.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;after allegedly sharing opinions&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Barf. Reason infinity + 1 why the MSM ranks somewhere below a snake&#8217;s private parts in any measure worth measuring.</p>
<p>Another great quote:</p>
<p><i>“If we create a climate of fear so that everyone is afraid to talk,” Goldstein added, “then we’ve actually kind of accomplished the goals of people who wanted to silence Charlie Kirk in the first place.”</i></p>
<p>Ah yes, the classic slap-them-with-their-own-principles trick.</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, Jesus said to turn the other cheek, dontcha&#8217;know?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. But not in perpetuity. Reference the cleansing of the Temple.</p>
<p>Sometimes enough is enough.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[no they won&#039;t https://www.thecollegefix.com/nyu-adjunct-charlie-kirk-not-a-victim-maga-liars-who-should-be-excluded-from-public-discourse/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no they won&#8217;t <a href="https://www.thecollegefix.com/nyu-adjunct-charlie-kirk-not-a-victim-maga-liars-who-should-be-excluded-from-public-discourse/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thecollegefix.com/nyu-adjunct-charlie-kirk-not-a-victim-maga-liars-who-should-be-excluded-from-public-discourse/</a></p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2025 20:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Posting personal opinions about policies and ideologies is one thing, but celebrating murder is another. If we&#039;re going to have a civil society, people need to be ... civil. Charlie Kirk&#039;s whole career was dedicated to open and courteous discussion. The left won&#039;t accept that. We shouldn&#039;t accept their approach any more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posting personal opinions about policies and ideologies is one thing, but celebrating murder is another. If we&#8217;re going to have a civil society, people need to be &#8230; civil. Charlie Kirk&#8217;s whole career was dedicated to open and courteous discussion. The left won&#8217;t accept that. We shouldn&#8217;t accept their approach any more.</p>
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