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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/11/on-the-24th-anniversary-of-9-11/#comment-2822036</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2025 02:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Marisa - and the dancing Muslims was dismissed as Islamophobia, despite videos.

AesopSpouse was in negotiations with a newly formed company to be their in-house patent counsel as soon as they had secured some venture capital, and they had an appointment lined up in NYC. In the WTC. On 9-13.
That never happened, the company folded, and we pursued other options.
Could have been worse.

To all the victim, direct and indirect, contemporary in time and later as their losses sank in: RIP.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Marisa &#8211; and the dancing Muslims was dismissed as Islamophobia, despite videos.</p>
<p>AesopSpouse was in negotiations with a newly formed company to be their in-house patent counsel as soon as they had secured some venture capital, and they had an appointment lined up in NYC. In the WTC. On 9-13.<br />
That never happened, the company folded, and we pursued other options.<br />
Could have been worse.</p>
<p>To all the victim, direct and indirect, contemporary in time and later as their losses sank in: RIP.</p>
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		By: Marisa		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/11/on-the-24th-anniversary-of-9-11/#comment-2821987</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marisa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2025 20:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And in the ensuing 24 years we&#039;ve had to endure all sorts of whackjob conspiracy theories. The supposed dancing Israelis is a favorite among the Jew-hating sector of the right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in the ensuing 24 years we&#8217;ve had to endure all sorts of whackjob conspiracy theories. The supposed dancing Israelis is a favorite among the Jew-hating sector of the right.</p>
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		By: Mary Catelli		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Catelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2025 19:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had been laid off the Friday before.  

The day of, I was on the Internet when someone posted that a plane had hit the WTC.  Thinking it was a small plane, I still didn&#039;t want to think about it so I logged off and ate breakfast.  My sister called me and told me to turn on the TV.

I spent most of the day online, and my most useful contribution was announcing over and over in one set of newsgroups that we had a new one for telling everyone you were all right.  And rumors were flying, and news articles were carefully reporting that a plane had gone down in Pennsylvania but it was unknown if it was connected.

Then Jerry Pournelle posted a letter from the father of a passenger (and rapidly got asked whether he had contacted the news agencies).

Which, of course, made all the other rumors more credible.

It&#039;s impossible to convey that day to anyone who doesn&#039;t remember it because they know what happened, and &lt;i&gt;we didn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt;.  

We knew the absolute minimum of what had happened, and not the limit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had been laid off the Friday before.  </p>
<p>The day of, I was on the Internet when someone posted that a plane had hit the WTC.  Thinking it was a small plane, I still didn&#8217;t want to think about it so I logged off and ate breakfast.  My sister called me and told me to turn on the TV.</p>
<p>I spent most of the day online, and my most useful contribution was announcing over and over in one set of newsgroups that we had a new one for telling everyone you were all right.  And rumors were flying, and news articles were carefully reporting that a plane had gone down in Pennsylvania but it was unknown if it was connected.</p>
<p>Then Jerry Pournelle posted a letter from the father of a passenger (and rapidly got asked whether he had contacted the news agencies).</p>
<p>Which, of course, made all the other rumors more credible.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s impossible to convey that day to anyone who doesn&#8217;t remember it because they know what happened, and <i>we didn&#8217;t</i>.  </p>
<p>We knew the absolute minimum of what had happened, and not the limit.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2025 13:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m in the Midwest.  About a week after the attack, I called an insurance company&#039;s regional office to do some business.  Asked if they&#039;d heard from higher (NYC near the Towers).   They hadn&#039;t and were carrying on as they could, which was fairly competently, but eventually you need Higher.,  Not sure when that would come around.  Got straight a few days later.
But the sense of being....headless...isolated....fragmented stayed with me.  Which is one reason I think redundancy in various issues such as energy is inconvenient and expensive and worth every dime.

Some water pumping and filtration locations near me fixed up their landscaping pretty quick.  If you weren&#039;t aware of 9-11, you wouldn&#039;t notice there&#039;s no way a truck can get up to the buildings.  Nice fieldstone retaining walls, great lush turf, good sized shrubs, all hiding berms.  But..pretty.  Other things happened; &quot;alternate route&quot; signs along interstates.  In case somebody takes out an overpass, I suppose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the Midwest.  About a week after the attack, I called an insurance company&#8217;s regional office to do some business.  Asked if they&#8217;d heard from higher (NYC near the Towers).   They hadn&#8217;t and were carrying on as they could, which was fairly competently, but eventually you need Higher.,  Not sure when that would come around.  Got straight a few days later.<br />
But the sense of being&#8230;.headless&#8230;isolated&#8230;.fragmented stayed with me.  Which is one reason I think redundancy in various issues such as energy is inconvenient and expensive and worth every dime.</p>
<p>Some water pumping and filtration locations near me fixed up their landscaping pretty quick.  If you weren&#8217;t aware of 9-11, you wouldn&#8217;t notice there&#8217;s no way a truck can get up to the buildings.  Nice fieldstone retaining walls, great lush turf, good sized shrubs, all hiding berms.  But..pretty.  Other things happened; &#8220;alternate route&#8221; signs along interstates.  In case somebody takes out an overpass, I suppose.</p>
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		By: S		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2025 10:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is only one Islam. It is the one that murders in pleasure. If you are still doubtful look to 9/11 and October 7. Every week across Europe the orcs rape and kill. And still they come.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only one Islam. It is the one that murders in pleasure. If you are still doubtful look to 9/11 and October 7. Every week across Europe the orcs rape and kill. And still they come.</p>
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		By: HC68		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HC68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2025 04:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;When I read that some blame Trump for Kirk’s murdered, my mind just reels.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Same reason so many tried to claim that 911 itself was an inside job planned by the GWB Administration (or Israel, or the aliens from Rigel XII, or maybe it was all of them in on it together).  Or that Bush knowingly lied about WMDs, or planned the devastation of New Orleans by Katrina.  Or any number of similar things.  Remember, there are still people who insist Trump planned his own failed assassination as a head fake.

The thing is that some people psychologically, emotionally, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; that stuff to be true, because actual reality is so troublesome and inconvenient.

(I actually suspect that the exact same impulse underlies the old saw that &#039;the husband/wife is the last to know&#039; about an affair.  If someone really, really doesn&#039;t want their spouse to be betraying them, they can twist the evidence in their own mind to come up with explanations that preserve their emotional needs at the expense of facing the truth.)

Ever notice how many commentators and observers, on &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; Left and Right, really, seriously, &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t want to talk/hear/think about 911?&lt;/i&gt;  They want to memory hole it because it messes everything up.  I see articles from the isolationist right about Iraq and Afghanistan that don&#039;t even mention 911, instead acting as if we invaded both places on a whim.  The Left doesn&#039;t even want to think about it, &#039;some people did some stuff&#039;, &#039;it was a tragedy&#039; (almost like an accident), not an act of war.

911 makes a mockery many, many dreams, and leaves many dreamers frustrated and and flummoxed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When I read that some blame Trump for Kirk’s murdered, my mind just reels.</p></blockquote>
<p>Same reason so many tried to claim that 911 itself was an inside job planned by the GWB Administration (or Israel, or the aliens from Rigel XII, or maybe it was all of them in on it together).  Or that Bush knowingly lied about WMDs, or planned the devastation of New Orleans by Katrina.  Or any number of similar things.  Remember, there are still people who insist Trump planned his own failed assassination as a head fake.</p>
<p>The thing is that some people psychologically, emotionally, <b><i>need</i></b> that stuff to be true, because actual reality is so troublesome and inconvenient.</p>
<p>(I actually suspect that the exact same impulse underlies the old saw that &#8216;the husband/wife is the last to know&#8217; about an affair.  If someone really, really doesn&#8217;t want their spouse to be betraying them, they can twist the evidence in their own mind to come up with explanations that preserve their emotional needs at the expense of facing the truth.)</p>
<p>Ever notice how many commentators and observers, on <i>both</i> Left and Right, really, seriously, <i>don&#8217;t want to talk/hear/think about 911?</i>  They want to memory hole it because it messes everything up.  I see articles from the isolationist right about Iraq and Afghanistan that don&#8217;t even mention 911, instead acting as if we invaded both places on a whim.  The Left doesn&#8217;t even want to think about it, &#8216;some people did some stuff&#8217;, &#8216;it was a tragedy&#8217; (almost like an accident), not an act of war.</p>
<p>911 makes a mockery many, many dreams, and leaves many dreamers frustrated and and flummoxed.</p>
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		By: Jimmy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimmy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2025 02:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For 9/11 films, I always recommend The Path to 9/11, with Harvey Keitel as John O&#039;Neil, if you can find it. It seems that it was suppressed after its initial airing because it was less than complementary about the Clinton regime. O&#039;Neil was a fascinating figure. He was convinced something big involving Al Qaeda and Bin Laden was in the works, but got nowhere, and he didn&#039;t help himself by having a messy life, both personally and professionally. He left the FBI and became head of security at the World Trade Center in August 2001, and died when the second tower collapsed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For 9/11 films, I always recommend The Path to 9/11, with Harvey Keitel as John O&#8217;Neil, if you can find it. It seems that it was suppressed after its initial airing because it was less than complementary about the Clinton regime. O&#8217;Neil was a fascinating figure. He was convinced something big involving Al Qaeda and Bin Laden was in the works, but got nowhere, and he didn&#8217;t help himself by having a messy life, both personally and professionally. He left the FBI and became head of security at the World Trade Center in August 2001, and died when the second tower collapsed.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/11/on-the-24th-anniversary-of-9-11/#comment-2821868</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2025 23:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Shirehome &#062; &quot;When I read that some blame Trump for Kirk’s murder[ed], my mind just reels.&quot;

Not too different from the mindset that blames rape victims for wearing those short skirts.
Never mind that many of them never did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Shirehome &gt; &#8220;When I read that some blame Trump for Kirk’s murder[ed], my mind just reels.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not too different from the mindset that blames rape victims for wearing those short skirts.<br />
Never mind that many of them never did.</p>
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		By: SHIREHOME		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SHIREHOME]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2025 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember it well. Where I worked, there was a energy trading group that had TV&#039;s. I went there after the first Tower went down, and as I watched, the second went down. We were all sent home. My Wife knew someone on the PA plane or the Pentagon, not sure which. And yes, I have memories of JFK, RFK and MLK. I was Senior in HS when JFK happened. I have seen so much horror and hate. 
When I read that some blame Trump for Kirk&#039;s murdered, my mind just reels.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember it well. Where I worked, there was a energy trading group that had TV&#8217;s. I went there after the first Tower went down, and as I watched, the second went down. We were all sent home. My Wife knew someone on the PA plane or the Pentagon, not sure which. And yes, I have memories of JFK, RFK and MLK. I was Senior in HS when JFK happened. I have seen so much horror and hate.<br />
When I read that some blame Trump for Kirk&#8217;s murdered, my mind just reels.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/09/11/on-the-24th-anniversary-of-9-11/#comment-2821813</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2025 20:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J.J. mentions the united feeling and attitude prevalent in the U.S. on September 12th and for months after.

How many could imagine that 24 years later a Muslim would be the front runner in New York&#039;s mayoral race? Or that the mayor of London would be a Muslim man 15 years later?

Islamists took full advantage of every opportunity in the past quarter century as the west became bogged down and mired in disunity and confusion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.J. mentions the united feeling and attitude prevalent in the U.S. on September 12th and for months after.</p>
<p>How many could imagine that 24 years later a Muslim would be the front runner in New York&#8217;s mayoral race? Or that the mayor of London would be a Muslim man 15 years later?</p>
<p>Islamists took full advantage of every opportunity in the past quarter century as the west became bogged down and mired in disunity and confusion.</p>
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