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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/25/denmarks-experience-with-palestinian-arrivals/#comment-2818930</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It makes sense to cut people some slack when they show up without money, jobs, or language skills. Pretty quickly, though, we should expect overt signs of serious effort coupled with improvement.&lt;/i&gt;
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Why are they in Denmark and not on the West Bank, in Gaza or in one of the neighboring countries?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It makes sense to cut people some slack when they show up without money, jobs, or language skills. Pretty quickly, though, we should expect overt signs of serious effort coupled with improvement.</i><br />
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Why are they in Denmark and not on the West Bank, in Gaza or in one of the neighboring countries?<br />
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		By: Wendy K Laubach		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/25/denmarks-experience-with-palestinian-arrivals/#comment-2818928</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy K Laubach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2025 21:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a mistake to conflate objecting to a set of behavior adopted enthusiastically by a culture, on the one hand, with a genocidal attitude toward the practitioners of that culture, on the other, merely because the practitioners also are identified with an ethnicity.

We are always entitled to insist on behavior that suits our system of civilization. We should naturally guard against the temptation to attribute bad behavior to people who have not actually demonstrated it individually, merely because it requires less effort to categorize them by ethnicity than to judge their individual behavior fairly. In arresting or prosecuting people who behave badly, we have to be careful not to apply different standards of evidence or justice on the basis of their ethnicity than we would apply to ourselves. But we should be blind to arguments predicated on disparate effect, if the effect stems from differences in behavior that happen to be embraced by many or most members of an ethnicity.

It makes sense to cut people some slack when they show up without money, jobs, or language skills. Pretty quickly, though, we should expect overt signs of serious effort coupled with improvement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a mistake to conflate objecting to a set of behavior adopted enthusiastically by a culture, on the one hand, with a genocidal attitude toward the practitioners of that culture, on the other, merely because the practitioners also are identified with an ethnicity.</p>
<p>We are always entitled to insist on behavior that suits our system of civilization. We should naturally guard against the temptation to attribute bad behavior to people who have not actually demonstrated it individually, merely because it requires less effort to categorize them by ethnicity than to judge their individual behavior fairly. In arresting or prosecuting people who behave badly, we have to be careful not to apply different standards of evidence or justice on the basis of their ethnicity than we would apply to ourselves. But we should be blind to arguments predicated on disparate effect, if the effect stems from differences in behavior that happen to be embraced by many or most members of an ethnicity.</p>
<p>It makes sense to cut people some slack when they show up without money, jobs, or language skills. Pretty quickly, though, we should expect overt signs of serious effort coupled with improvement.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/25/denmarks-experience-with-palestinian-arrivals/#comment-2818894</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@huxley:&lt;i&gt;These elites may even consider the immiseration and terrorizing of their middle/working classes a benefit.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think our elites have that much moral clarity and perception of reality. While they gaslight us about the blessings of immigration, I think they are high on their own supply. I think they think they are doing us good and that we&#039;re children who don&#039;t want to take our medicine.

In my academic days I met a lot of people from around the world, and all those people traveled quite a bit. But they were always going from one academic milieu to another. They weren&#039;t really meeting different kinds of people. They were meeting people who are well above average, compared to their own countries, in intelligence and in ability to at least outwardly conform to Western norms. Why would they object to more such people here?

Of course there are two problems with it: the outward appearance of Western norms is not necessarily how they actually are, and those people don&#039;t come by themselves but enable a chain of relatives to come after them who may be very different from ones that were sought out.

I think our elites appreciate more ethnic restaurants and lower payroll expenses. They insulate themselves from the negative consequences of their policies very well. To them, immigration presents a purely hypothetical set of drawbacks which would only bother low-class people, and to take those kinds of opinions seriously would be social and career death.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@huxley:<i>These elites may even consider the immiseration and terrorizing of their middle/working classes a benefit.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think our elites have that much moral clarity and perception of reality. While they gaslight us about the blessings of immigration, I think they are high on their own supply. I think they think they are doing us good and that we&#8217;re children who don&#8217;t want to take our medicine.</p>
<p>In my academic days I met a lot of people from around the world, and all those people traveled quite a bit. But they were always going from one academic milieu to another. They weren&#8217;t really meeting different kinds of people. They were meeting people who are well above average, compared to their own countries, in intelligence and in ability to at least outwardly conform to Western norms. Why would they object to more such people here?</p>
<p>Of course there are two problems with it: the outward appearance of Western norms is not necessarily how they actually are, and those people don&#8217;t come by themselves but enable a chain of relatives to come after them who may be very different from ones that were sought out.</p>
<p>I think our elites appreciate more ethnic restaurants and lower payroll expenses. They insulate themselves from the negative consequences of their policies very well. To them, immigration presents a purely hypothetical set of drawbacks which would only bother low-class people, and to take those kinds of opinions seriously would be social and career death.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I recall correctly, quite a few Israelis &quot;died&quot; on 10/07/2024 at the hands of Gazamites.  A &quot;few&quot; here don&#039;t want to acknowledge what &quot;From the river to the sea.&quot; means in this world, as opposed to his land of virtue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I recall correctly, quite a few Israelis &#8220;died&#8221; on 10/07/2024 at the hands of Gazamites.  A &#8220;few&#8221; here don&#8217;t want to acknowledge what &#8220;From the river to the sea.&#8221; means in this world, as opposed to his land of virtue.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2025 19:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley 
I think Occam is on your side.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley<br />
I think Occam is on your side.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/25/denmarks-experience-with-palestinian-arrivals/#comment-2818871</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2025 17:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not convinced that the elites care about the impact of immigrants on their domestic populations. It may be a straightforward power calculation.

These elites may even consider the immiseration and terrorizing of their middle/working classes a benefit.

Or so it seems to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that the elites care about the impact of immigrants on their domestic populations. It may be a straightforward power calculation.</p>
<p>These elites may even consider the immiseration and terrorizing of their middle/working classes a benefit.</p>
<p>Or so it seems to me.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2025 17:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey--I expect that they did not want to take the time to inform themselves, perhaps thought that the negative things about Islam they had caught wind of were just &quot;Islamophobia,&quot; or just really didn&#039;t want to look into or know  certain things. 

They were going to exhibit their virtue to the world, and that was it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey&#8211;I expect that they did not want to take the time to inform themselves, perhaps thought that the negative things about Islam they had caught wind of were just &#8220;Islamophobia,&#8221; or just really didn&#8217;t want to look into or know  certain things. </p>
<p>They were going to exhibit their virtue to the world, and that was it.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/25/denmarks-experience-with-palestinian-arrivals/#comment-2818857</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They were maybe expecting something else ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were maybe expecting something else ?</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/25/denmarks-experience-with-palestinian-arrivals/#comment-2818851</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2025 15:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the leaders in Denmark had actually read and understood the fundamental texts of Islam, plus been aware of the history of Islam and it’s dealings with the West, and been honest with themselves and not blinded by ideology, they would have known exactly what was going to happen if they introduced Muslims into Denmark.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the leaders in Denmark had actually read and understood the fundamental texts of Islam, plus been aware of the history of Islam and it’s dealings with the West, and been honest with themselves and not blinded by ideology, they would have known exactly what was going to happen if they introduced Muslims into Denmark.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/25/denmarks-experience-with-palestinian-arrivals/#comment-2818848</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2025 15:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@BenDavid:&lt;i&gt;Israel will not lose its soul by defending itself from such barbarians. &lt;/i&gt;

No one here is saying that it will. But ethnic cleansing goes well beyond &quot;defense&quot;. And if it is going to be done without a lot of killing, what&#039;s that going to look like? How many Israelis are going to die trying to accomplish it, since we&#039;re working from the assumption that Gazans are killbots?

The people assuming this can be done peacefully are assuming that there is something you can offer Gazans that they will put ahead of killing Jews, which is the opposite of the premise used to justify the ethnic cleansing in the first place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BenDavid:<i>Israel will not lose its soul by defending itself from such barbarians. </i></p>
<p>No one here is saying that it will. But ethnic cleansing goes well beyond &#8220;defense&#8221;. And if it is going to be done without a lot of killing, what&#8217;s that going to look like? How many Israelis are going to die trying to accomplish it, since we&#8217;re working from the assumption that Gazans are killbots?</p>
<p>The people assuming this can be done peacefully are assuming that there is something you can offer Gazans that they will put ahead of killing Jews, which is the opposite of the premise used to justify the ethnic cleansing in the first place.</p>
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