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		By: GRA		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/05/wherefore-trolls/#comment-2816387</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2025 09:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;Jordan Peterson (pre-crazy suit Jordan Peterson),

What makes JP crazy besides his suits?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Jordan Peterson (pre-crazy suit Jordan Peterson),</p>
<p>What makes JP crazy besides his suits?</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/05/wherefore-trolls/#comment-2815491</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2025 00:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well the priory de sion which is the crux of the story was bandied about a century before they were debunked but  leigh and tubing still caught up to it although there are some intersections with eco who ended up in some dark places with the prague cementary about the writings of the protocols of zion about 20 years later

The merovingian made it into that coffee clatch of paranoia the matrix

The AI that is dan  brown has another tome about a secret society set in prague hm thats curious]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the priory de sion which is the crux of the story was bandied about a century before they were debunked but  leigh and tubing still caught up to it although there are some intersections with eco who ended up in some dark places with the prague cementary about the writings of the protocols of zion about 20 years later</p>
<p>The merovingian made it into that coffee clatch of paranoia the matrix</p>
<p>The AI that is dan  brown has another tome about a secret society set in prague hm thats curious</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/05/wherefore-trolls/#comment-2815488</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2025 00:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Sennacherib:&lt;i&gt;Templars!?!?!?!&lt;/i&gt;

Eco&#039;s book came out about 15 years before &lt;i&gt;The Da Vinci Code&lt;/i&gt;. As Eco later said,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Dan Brown is a character from Foucault&#039;s Pendulum! I invented him. He shares my characters&#039; fascinations—the world conspiracy of Rosicrucians, Masons, and Jesuits. The role of the Knights Templar. The hermetic secret. The principle that everything is connected. I suspect Dan Brown might not even exist.

Some of the conspiracies retailed by QAnon, and before them about Satanic cultists, are very similar to the legends about the Templars. Eventually someone who gets into those things makes the connection.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sennacherib:<i>Templars!?!?!?!</i></p>
<p>Eco&#8217;s book came out about 15 years before <i>The Da Vinci Code</i>. As Eco later said,</p>
<blockquote><p>Dan Brown is a character from Foucault&#8217;s Pendulum! I invented him. He shares my characters&#8217; fascinations—the world conspiracy of Rosicrucians, Masons, and Jesuits. The role of the Knights Templar. The hermetic secret. The principle that everything is connected. I suspect Dan Brown might not even exist.</p>
<p>Some of the conspiracies retailed by QAnon, and before them about Satanic cultists, are very similar to the legends about the Templars. Eventually someone who gets into those things makes the connection.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Sennacherib		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/05/wherefore-trolls/#comment-2815483</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sennacherib]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2025 00:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Templars!?!?!?!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Templars!?!?!?!</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/05/wherefore-trolls/#comment-2815392</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2025 17:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hard to tell the difference sometimes between a troll and an idiot. What a troll does is performance art, and it&#039;s in bad faith, just there to provoke people. Idiots are sometimes too dumb to follow an argument, understand what they read, express themselves clearly, or know things. They can write similar things.

For example

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Do or do not, there is no try&quot; --Dumbledore&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/troll-quotes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;accompanied by an image of Gandalf&lt;/a&gt;, is posted by a troll.

This &quot;Shakespeare&quot; quote, is posted by an idiot:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The commenter who probably kicked off this discussion, &quot;David Clayton&quot;, seems more likely to be in earnest than to be a troll. He doesn&#039;t know what any of us actually think and so he reacts to what he thinks we think based on his carefully filtered news feed, and he seems to think that we just haven&#039;t heard the sound bites he shouts at us and if he increases the volume a bit more we&#039;ll get it. 

But one never knows. &lt;a href=&quot;https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PoesLaw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Poe&#039;s Law&lt;/a&gt; applies to a lot of trolling despite its originally narrow application.

Umberto Eco&#039;s taxonomy of idiots--morons, cretins, fools, and lunatics--is possibly of service. Only lunatics and morons are found online, usually.

&lt;blockquote&gt;A lunatic is easily recognized. He is a moron who doesn&#039;t know the ropes. The moron proves his thesis; he has a logic, however twisted it may be. The lunatic, on the other hand, doesn&#039;t concern himself at all with logic; he works by short circuits. For him, everything proves everything else. The lunatic is all idee fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense, by his flashes of inspiration, and
by the fact that sooner or later he brings up the Templars.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to tell the difference sometimes between a troll and an idiot. What a troll does is performance art, and it&#8217;s in bad faith, just there to provoke people. Idiots are sometimes too dumb to follow an argument, understand what they read, express themselves clearly, or know things. They can write similar things.</p>
<p>For example</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Do or do not, there is no try&#8221; &#8211;Dumbledore</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/troll-quotes" rel="nofollow ugc">accompanied by an image of Gandalf</a>, is posted by a troll.</p>
<p>This &#8220;Shakespeare&#8221; quote, is posted by an idiot:</p>
<blockquote><p>Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.</p></blockquote>
<p>The commenter who probably kicked off this discussion, &#8220;David Clayton&#8221;, seems more likely to be in earnest than to be a troll. He doesn&#8217;t know what any of us actually think and so he reacts to what he thinks we think based on his carefully filtered news feed, and he seems to think that we just haven&#8217;t heard the sound bites he shouts at us and if he increases the volume a bit more we&#8217;ll get it. </p>
<p>But one never knows. <a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PoesLaw" rel="nofollow ugc">Poe&#8217;s Law</a> applies to a lot of trolling despite its originally narrow application.</p>
<p>Umberto Eco&#8217;s taxonomy of idiots&#8211;morons, cretins, fools, and lunatics&#8211;is possibly of service. Only lunatics and morons are found online, usually.</p>
<blockquote><p>A lunatic is easily recognized. He is a moron who doesn&#8217;t know the ropes. The moron proves his thesis; he has a logic, however twisted it may be. The lunatic, on the other hand, doesn&#8217;t concern himself at all with logic; he works by short circuits. For him, everything proves everything else. The lunatic is all idee fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense, by his flashes of inspiration, and<br />
by the fact that sooner or later he brings up the Templars.</p></blockquote>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/05/wherefore-trolls/#comment-2815390</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2025 17:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trollio, Trollio, wherefore art thou,Trollio?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trollio, Trollio, wherefore art thou,Trollio?</p>
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		By: Mitchell Strand		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/05/wherefore-trolls/#comment-2815385</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitchell Strand]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2025 15:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I got in trouble (mild trouble, no HR involved) at work a couple of years ago for making a point about internet culture.

I was talking to the person who had trained me, a young woman who fit the TV Tropes term of Manic Pixie Dream Girl. In a conversation about Kanye, who was just leaning into his anti-semitism, I expressed the opinion that social media has been a colossal mistake. When she asked me to explain, I said that the anonymity prevented the kind of punishment men deliver to one another when one goes too far in an argument: physical violence.

As her brow furrowed, I explained what I cribbed from Jordan Peterson (pre-crazy suit Jordan Peterson), that men punish each other with violence, and women punish each other with emotional violence, like gossip and character assassination. Consequently, the discourse in social media is female-coded.

She checked out of the conversation and the next day I had a chat with my boss, who suggested Manic Pixie Dream Girl might be a little too sensitive to deal with what I said, and I agreed to keep it strictly business from there on out, not hard because I was disappointed with the weakness she&#039;d displayed.

I don&#039;t think I&#039;m wrong, though. Men feel handcuffed by combat online because our only recourse for bad behavior is ignoring it. You can&#039;t put your fist in the face of a troll.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got in trouble (mild trouble, no HR involved) at work a couple of years ago for making a point about internet culture.</p>
<p>I was talking to the person who had trained me, a young woman who fit the TV Tropes term of Manic Pixie Dream Girl. In a conversation about Kanye, who was just leaning into his anti-semitism, I expressed the opinion that social media has been a colossal mistake. When she asked me to explain, I said that the anonymity prevented the kind of punishment men deliver to one another when one goes too far in an argument: physical violence.</p>
<p>As her brow furrowed, I explained what I cribbed from Jordan Peterson (pre-crazy suit Jordan Peterson), that men punish each other with violence, and women punish each other with emotional violence, like gossip and character assassination. Consequently, the discourse in social media is female-coded.</p>
<p>She checked out of the conversation and the next day I had a chat with my boss, who suggested Manic Pixie Dream Girl might be a little too sensitive to deal with what I said, and I agreed to keep it strictly business from there on out, not hard because I was disappointed with the weakness she&#8217;d displayed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m wrong, though. Men feel handcuffed by combat online because our only recourse for bad behavior is ignoring it. You can&#8217;t put your fist in the face of a troll.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/08/05/wherefore-trolls/#comment-2815367</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sdferr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2025 12:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[D. Fritsch is out of jail and recently seen on X going after Gad Saad, though to little effect so far as can be told as yet. But yeah, still bugfuckingnuts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D. Fritsch is out of jail and recently seen on X going after Gad Saad, though to little effect so far as can be told as yet. But yeah, still bugfuckingnuts.</p>
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		By: Sgt. Mom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sgt. Mom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2025 12:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are some particularly persistent trolls on a couple of sites that I follow, or contribute to who are - to put it kindly - unbalanced. Or, unkindly - bughouse nuts. They fixate on the blogger or regular commenter and go to town with the insanity.
That kind of troll scares me - and is the reason that I have always blogged and commented consistently under an identity that would be very hard to link to my legal name and location. Another female writer/blogger that I am friends with personally keeps her own address/location in the US secret for the same reason. 
I had some brushes with this kind of insanity in my days as a radio DJ, and it always frightened the hell out of me. I&#039;m old enough to remember the murder of Rebecca Schaeffer at the hands of an obsessed creep.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some particularly persistent trolls on a couple of sites that I follow, or contribute to who are &#8211; to put it kindly &#8211; unbalanced. Or, unkindly &#8211; bughouse nuts. They fixate on the blogger or regular commenter and go to town with the insanity.<br />
That kind of troll scares me &#8211; and is the reason that I have always blogged and commented consistently under an identity that would be very hard to link to my legal name and location. Another female writer/blogger that I am friends with personally keeps her own address/location in the US secret for the same reason.<br />
I had some brushes with this kind of insanity in my days as a radio DJ, and it always frightened the hell out of me. I&#8217;m old enough to remember the murder of Rebecca Schaeffer at the hands of an obsessed creep.</p>
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		By: Sennacherib		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sennacherib]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2025 09:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And they&#039;re true believers. Anything said in opposition regardless of it being true is &quot;evil&quot;
period.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And they&#8217;re true believers. Anything said in opposition regardless of it being true is &#8220;evil&#8221;<br />
period.</p>
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