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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/07/30/now-the-epa-feels-the-heat/#comment-2814459</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the 90s the usually rigorous james burke of connection fame got roped into this tract &#039;after the warming&#039; which seemed to be of the mann-oppenheimer school of polemics which was being employed in the public schools nearly 20 years later on a double bill with &#039;earth in the lurch&#039; as rush dubbed it

This thinking so called permeated the clerks at the Court that allowed that ridiculous finding that C0 2 was a pollutant get through this also underlay the phasing out of the incandescent light bulb for less efficient and toxic mercury bulbs and a host of anti competitive measures
Which probably led to the oil spike that popped the subprime bubble]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 90s the usually rigorous james burke of connection fame got roped into this tract &#8216;after the warming&#8217; which seemed to be of the mann-oppenheimer school of polemics which was being employed in the public schools nearly 20 years later on a double bill with &#8216;earth in the lurch&#8217; as rush dubbed it</p>
<p>This thinking so called permeated the clerks at the Court that allowed that ridiculous finding that C0 2 was a pollutant get through this also underlay the phasing out of the incandescent light bulb for less efficient and toxic mercury bulbs and a host of anti competitive measures<br />
Which probably led to the oil spike that popped the subprime bubble</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2025 06:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DT, physicsguy - the &quot;warmists&quot; will love being buried under a sheet of ice at the next glaciation lol]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DT, physicsguy &#8211; the &#8220;warmists&#8221; will love being buried under a sheet of ice at the next glaciation lol</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2025 06:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Gasoline is now over $8 per gallon in CA, I’m told&quot;

It&#039;s bad but not that bad, $4 to $5/gallon here in the Bay Area where it is usually higher than the rest of the state.  Has been stable recently though some new state regulations were supposed to raise it on July 1.  Of course would not be surprised if that kicks in and sends it skyrocketing.  Maybe Gruesome senses it would not help his Presidential campaign?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gasoline is now over $8 per gallon in CA, I’m told&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s bad but not that bad, $4 to $5/gallon here in the Bay Area where it is usually higher than the rest of the state.  Has been stable recently though some new state regulations were supposed to raise it on July 1.  Of course would not be surprised if that kicks in and sends it skyrocketing.  Maybe Gruesome senses it would not help his Presidential campaign?</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2025 05:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;...a fresh report from the Trump DOE (Chris Wright), evaluating CO2 as a greenhouse gas.&lt;/i&gt;

TJ:

Great stuff. WUWT just ran Judith Curry&#039;s personal take on the report, including her participation.
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&lt;i&gt;This Group was assembled in April.  I decided to accept Secretary Wright’s invitation for the following reasons:

I was impressed by what Secy Wright wanted to accomplish I was familiar with the other group members and figured I could work with them &lt;b&gt;Most importantly, I saw an opportunity to set the record straight regarding what we know and what we don’t know about climate science, that would reach an important audience.&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;I was happy to help with this but in the beginning, I confess that I was not at all sure that I would put my name on any report that came out of this.&lt;/b&gt;  I tend to fly solo, and had not contributed to any multiple authored assessment report in several decades, for a number of reasons.  While I had previously met each of my coauthors several times and was familiar with their work, I was not at all sure how this would go.  Further, I was concerned about the short deadline for completing the report.

&lt;b&gt;Short summary:  all exceeded any hopes and expectations that I had. &lt;/b&gt;

--Judith Curry
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/07/30/judith-currys-take-new-climate-assessment-report-from-us-doe/&lt;/i&gt;
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The group of authors was a real Dream Team. I&#039;ve long had great respect for Judith Curry, whom Scientific American once labeled a &quot;heretic.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;a fresh report from the Trump DOE (Chris Wright), evaluating CO2 as a greenhouse gas.</i></p>
<p>TJ:</p>
<p>Great stuff. WUWT just ran Judith Curry&#8217;s personal take on the report, including her participation.<br />
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<p><i>This Group was assembled in April.  I decided to accept Secretary Wright’s invitation for the following reasons:</p>
<p>I was impressed by what Secy Wright wanted to accomplish I was familiar with the other group members and figured I could work with them <b>Most importantly, I saw an opportunity to set the record straight regarding what we know and what we don’t know about climate science, that would reach an important audience.</b></p>
<p><b>I was happy to help with this but in the beginning, I confess that I was not at all sure that I would put my name on any report that came out of this.</b>  I tend to fly solo, and had not contributed to any multiple authored assessment report in several decades, for a number of reasons.  While I had previously met each of my coauthors several times and was familiar with their work, I was not at all sure how this would go.  Further, I was concerned about the short deadline for completing the report.</p>
<p><b>Short summary:  all exceeded any hopes and expectations that I had. </b></p>
<p>&#8211;Judith Curry<br />
<a href="https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/07/30/judith-currys-take-new-climate-assessment-report-from-us-doe/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/07/30/judith-currys-take-new-climate-assessment-report-from-us-doe/</a></i><br />
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<p>The group of authors was a real Dream Team. I&#8217;ve long had great respect for Judith Curry, whom Scientific American once labeled a &#8220;heretic.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Aggie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2025 23:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Then California is the de facto national standard....&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Gasoline is now over $8 per gallon in CA, I&#039;m told.   And now, having run all of the refiners out of the state, they have a going-out-of-business refinery they&#039;re desperate to find a willing buyer for.  They&#039;re wanting to broker the deal themselves !

I can see a tipping point for this model.  I can see out-of-state refiners levying a tariff that encapsulates 100% of the refinery reconfiguration costs for an exotic CA formulation.  I can see other states deciding, after all, that they no longer need to burn that formulation - that the actual science tells them there&#039;s no science-supported benefit.  Then what happens to CA&#039;s leadership in manufacturing and consumables?  $15 gasoline?

Once their manufacturing base is exported, the costs can reasonably be shifted.  Let CA own their standards 100%.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Then California is the de facto national standard&#8230;.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Gasoline is now over $8 per gallon in CA, I&#8217;m told.   And now, having run all of the refiners out of the state, they have a going-out-of-business refinery they&#8217;re desperate to find a willing buyer for.  They&#8217;re wanting to broker the deal themselves !</p>
<p>I can see a tipping point for this model.  I can see out-of-state refiners levying a tariff that encapsulates 100% of the refinery reconfiguration costs for an exotic CA formulation.  I can see other states deciding, after all, that they no longer need to burn that formulation &#8211; that the actual science tells them there&#8217;s no science-supported benefit.  Then what happens to CA&#8217;s leadership in manufacturing and consumables?  $15 gasoline?</p>
<p>Once their manufacturing base is exported, the costs can reasonably be shifted.  Let CA own their standards 100%.</p>
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		By: DT		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2025 22:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[physicsguy: I am/was a &quot;climate scientist&quot;. Doesn&#039;t make a difference to the True Believers. (I&#039;m also a member of the &quot;3%&quot;)

Sea level rise: 2 examples - you don&#039;t need a scuba outfit to visit Plymouth Rock. And Ephesus harbor is well inland now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>physicsguy: I am/was a &#8220;climate scientist&#8221;. Doesn&#8217;t make a difference to the True Believers. (I&#8217;m also a member of the &#8220;3%&#8221;)</p>
<p>Sea level rise: 2 examples &#8211; you don&#8217;t need a scuba outfit to visit Plymouth Rock. And Ephesus harbor is well inland now.</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2025 21:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related to the CO2 regulation mission redux comes a fresh report from the Trump DOE (Chris Wright), evaluating CO2 as a greenhouse gas.

The 144 page report concludes “that U.S. policy actions are expected to have undetectably small direct impacts on the global climate and any effects will emerge only with long delays.”

The Climate Working Group producing this report includes John Christy, Roy Spencer, Steven Koonin, Judith Curry, and (from Canada) Ross Mckitrick — all solid senior scientists and anthropogenic climate change skeptics.

“A Critical Review of Impacts of Greenhouse Gas Emissions on the U.S. Climate”
SUMMARY:https://www.energy.gov/topics/climate

FULL REPORT LINK at bottom of this page]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related to the CO2 regulation mission redux comes a fresh report from the Trump DOE (Chris Wright), evaluating CO2 as a greenhouse gas.</p>
<p>The 144 page report concludes “that U.S. policy actions are expected to have undetectably small direct impacts on the global climate and any effects will emerge only with long delays.”</p>
<p>The Climate Working Group producing this report includes John Christy, Roy Spencer, Steven Koonin, Judith Curry, and (from Canada) Ross Mckitrick — all solid senior scientists and anthropogenic climate change skeptics.</p>
<p>“A Critical Review of Impacts of Greenhouse Gas Emissions on the U.S. Climate”<br />
SUMMARY:<a href="https://www.energy.gov/topics/climate" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.energy.gov/topics/climate</a></p>
<p>FULL REPORT LINK at bottom of this page</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOAF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2025 20:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Tyler:  &quot;The EPA is probably the best example of an un-accountable, un-elected, run amok massive govt. bureaucracy&quot;

Maybe.  But in the case cited above (Massachusetts v. EPA, 2007) the state of MA was suing the EPA to *force* them to regulate greenhouse gases which at the time the EPA was not doing because it was not written into the law.

I looked into how this case was decided.  First, MA&#039;s &quot;standing&quot; to bring suit in the first place was based on its claim that greenhouse gases were reducing the land mass of MA due to rising oceans.  Pretty far-fetched.  Anyway the five who voted in favor of MA were Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Breyer and Ginsburg - two liberals, two &quot;moderate&quot; Republicans and a supposed conservative (Kennedy).  The four who dissented were Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts.  It seems Roberts was more reliably conservative up until the infamous Obamacare decision.

Finally it should be noted the decision did not force the EPA to regulate GHG, but did require the EPA to prove why it should not regulate GHG.  By the time that came about (2010) Obama had been elected, undoubtedly that had an influence on their reversal of position.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Tyler:  &#8220;The EPA is probably the best example of an un-accountable, un-elected, run amok massive govt. bureaucracy&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe.  But in the case cited above (Massachusetts v. EPA, 2007) the state of MA was suing the EPA to *force* them to regulate greenhouse gases which at the time the EPA was not doing because it was not written into the law.</p>
<p>I looked into how this case was decided.  First, MA&#8217;s &#8220;standing&#8221; to bring suit in the first place was based on its claim that greenhouse gases were reducing the land mass of MA due to rising oceans.  Pretty far-fetched.  Anyway the five who voted in favor of MA were Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Breyer and Ginsburg &#8211; two liberals, two &#8220;moderate&#8221; Republicans and a supposed conservative (Kennedy).  The four who dissented were Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts.  It seems Roberts was more reliably conservative up until the infamous Obamacare decision.</p>
<p>Finally it should be noted the decision did not force the EPA to regulate GHG, but did require the EPA to prove why it should not regulate GHG.  By the time that came about (2010) Obama had been elected, undoubtedly that had an influence on their reversal of position.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n.n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2025 19:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A faith-based science with a peculiar religious: Pro-Choice, selective, opportunistic bent, and a Green... green embrace of redistributive change schemes, catastrophic anthropogenic immigration reform, and dysfunctional orientations that are first-order forcings of progress (e.g. prices).  Who, What do they trust?  Let us bray.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A faith-based science with a peculiar religious: Pro-Choice, selective, opportunistic bent, and a Green&#8230; green embrace of redistributive change schemes, catastrophic anthropogenic immigration reform, and dysfunctional orientations that are first-order forcings of progress (e.g. prices).  Who, What do they trust?  Let us bray.</p>
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		By: Richard Illyes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/07/30/now-the-epa-feels-the-heat/#comment-2814341</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Illyes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2025 19:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tonga Eruption Blasted Unprecedented Amount of Water Into Stratosphere.  This will cause the type of weather we are experiencing to last for several years but gets almost no coverage from any part of the political spectrum.  

Here is good coverage: https://www.nasa.gov/earth/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonga Eruption Blasted Unprecedented Amount of Water Into Stratosphere.  This will cause the type of weather we are experiencing to last for several years but gets almost no coverage from any part of the political spectrum.  </p>
<p>Here is good coverage: <a href="https://www.nasa.gov/earth/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nasa.gov/earth/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere/</a></p>
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