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		By: David Foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Foster]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boobah...there were also mechanical analog computers that could be reprogrammed (with wrench and screwdriver) to handle a whole variety of problems. A group at Marshall University (W Virginia) has revived them for educational purposes.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boobah&#8230;there were also mechanical analog computers that could be reprogrammed (with wrench and screwdriver) to handle a whole variety of problems. A group at Marshall University (W Virginia) has revived them for educational purposes.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2025 04:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Boobah:&lt;i&gt;I am reminded of the fire-control computers of the period. They solved the equation and machined out the graph.&lt;/i&gt;

People used to calculate definite integrals by carefully drawing a graph and then cutting it out of the sheet of paper and weighing it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Boobah:<i>I am reminded of the fire-control computers of the period. They solved the equation and machined out the graph.</i></p>
<p>People used to calculate definite integrals by carefully drawing a graph and then cutting it out of the sheet of paper and weighing it.</p>
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		By: Ray Van Dune		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Van Dune]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[There were two fundamentally different atomic bomb designs: the uranium bomb and the plutonium bomb. Why two? Because while each type worked theoretically, each involved a unique industrial super-project and enormous amounts of electrical power to practically build, and nobody wanted to &quot;bet the farm&quot; on only one approach.

The functioning of the uranium bomb was comparatively simple: a cylindrical slug of uranium was shot down a gun barrel by artillery-type explosives, into a larger mass of uranium with a slug-shaped hole in it, instantly creating a critical mass, which triggered a chain reaction. This configuration&#039;s functioning could be mathematically modeled fairly accurately.

The plutonium bomb was quite different, having a grapefruit-sized sphere of plutonium inside a larger multifaceted sphere of high explosives, precisely shaped to compress the plutonium sphere into a critical mass when triggered. The precise design and triggering of this configuration was much less well understood, so it was the one tested on July 16, 1945.

The uranium bomb was dubbed &quot;Little Boy&quot; given its slimmer shape, and was considered to be pretty much a sure thing, so it was first &quot;tested&quot; on Hiroshima. Indeed, it worked.

The first non-test use of the plutonium bomb, dubbed &quot;Fat Man&quot; due to its more spherical shape, was on Nagasaki a few days later. It worked too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were two fundamentally different atomic bomb designs: the uranium bomb and the plutonium bomb. Why two? Because while each type worked theoretically, each involved a unique industrial super-project and enormous amounts of electrical power to practically build, and nobody wanted to &#8220;bet the farm&#8221; on only one approach.</p>
<p>The functioning of the uranium bomb was comparatively simple: a cylindrical slug of uranium was shot down a gun barrel by artillery-type explosives, into a larger mass of uranium with a slug-shaped hole in it, instantly creating a critical mass, which triggered a chain reaction. This configuration&#8217;s functioning could be mathematically modeled fairly accurately.</p>
<p>The plutonium bomb was quite different, having a grapefruit-sized sphere of plutonium inside a larger multifaceted sphere of high explosives, precisely shaped to compress the plutonium sphere into a critical mass when triggered. The precise design and triggering of this configuration was much less well understood, so it was the one tested on July 16, 1945.</p>
<p>The uranium bomb was dubbed &#8220;Little Boy&#8221; given its slimmer shape, and was considered to be pretty much a sure thing, so it was first &#8220;tested&#8221; on Hiroshima. Indeed, it worked.</p>
<p>The first non-test use of the plutonium bomb, dubbed &#8220;Fat Man&#8221; due to its more spherical shape, was on Nagasaki a few days later. It worked too.</p>
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		By: Boobah		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2025 03:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am reminded of the fire-control computers of the period.  They solved the equation and machined out the graph.  So you&#039;d input the range and it would give you the elevation by feeling the curve; that is, there was a spring-loaded armature that slid along the machined-out solution graph attached to a gauge that gave the operator a result in degrees.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reminded of the fire-control computers of the period.  They solved the equation and machined out the graph.  So you&#8217;d input the range and it would give you the elevation by feeling the curve; that is, there was a spring-loaded armature that slid along the machined-out solution graph attached to a gauge that gave the operator a result in degrees.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2025 00:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Abacus vs electric calculator

Rufus, David Foster:

I was going with what I had read on the web. What &quot;electric calculator&quot; exactly meant in 1946, I&#039;m not sure:
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Abacus vs. the Electric Calculator (Nov 12, 1946): Why did the latter lose?&lt;/b&gt;

https://hsm.stackexchange.com/questions/31/the-abacus-vs-the-electric-calculator-nov-12-1946-why-did-the-latter-lose&lt;/i&gt;
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The above link is interesting and includes a dependably funny story about Richard Feynman taking on a Japanese abacus.

It turned out that the more complicated the calculation was, the better Feynman did. He mopped the floor with the abacus on cube roots!

Anyway. Out of nostalgia last night I decided to order the same style abacus of my youth, and the same book I used to learn the abacus. Only $24! I&#039;ll check what the book says about the abacus v. calculator challenge.

I still have my lime-green Pickett slide rule and the last great scientific HP calculator, HP-50g. I&#039;m a sentimental guy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Abacus vs electric calculator</p>
<p>Rufus, David Foster:</p>
<p>I was going with what I had read on the web. What &#8220;electric calculator&#8221; exactly meant in 1946, I&#8217;m not sure:<br />
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<p><i><b>The Abacus vs. the Electric Calculator (Nov 12, 1946): Why did the latter lose?</b></p>
<p><a href="https://hsm.stackexchange.com/questions/31/the-abacus-vs-the-electric-calculator-nov-12-1946-why-did-the-latter-lose" rel="nofollow ugc">https://hsm.stackexchange.com/questions/31/the-abacus-vs-the-electric-calculator-nov-12-1946-why-did-the-latter-lose</a></i><br />
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<p>The above link is interesting and includes a dependably funny story about Richard Feynman taking on a Japanese abacus.</p>
<p>It turned out that the more complicated the calculation was, the better Feynman did. He mopped the floor with the abacus on cube roots!</p>
<p>Anyway. Out of nostalgia last night I decided to order the same style abacus of my youth, and the same book I used to learn the abacus. Only $24! I&#8217;ll check what the book says about the abacus v. calculator challenge.</p>
<p>I still have my lime-green Pickett slide rule and the last great scientific HP calculator, HP-50g. I&#8217;m a sentimental guy.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes,		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes,]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2025 23:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[so the question of belief and will, both intellectual and monetary, why the Brits gave ups everything from Bombay to the former Palestine mandate, Egypr came next with Nasser, Kenya with the Mau Mau, which the Brits prevailed, Malaya was a rare example because of General Templar but also there was less of a sanctuary specially after Sukarno was deposed, Aden was given up, but Oman was held up to a point, of course the French experience in Algeria and ours in Vietnam, and the Russians in Afghanistan and later in Chechnya for a time,

but the a bomb was the great equalizer
that was employed to end conflicts, the likelyhood it would ever be employed as a defensive measure would be be very unlikely, in the future,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so the question of belief and will, both intellectual and monetary, why the Brits gave ups everything from Bombay to the former Palestine mandate, Egypr came next with Nasser, Kenya with the Mau Mau, which the Brits prevailed, Malaya was a rare example because of General Templar but also there was less of a sanctuary specially after Sukarno was deposed, Aden was given up, but Oman was held up to a point, of course the French experience in Algeria and ours in Vietnam, and the Russians in Afghanistan and later in Chechnya for a time,</p>
<p>but the a bomb was the great equalizer<br />
that was employed to end conflicts, the likelyhood it would ever be employed as a defensive measure would be be very unlikely, in the future,</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2025 23:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J.J.&lt;blockquote&gt;For decades we were told about the
USS’s vaunted industrial power and economic strides. We were told we were falling behind.

Then, unbelievably, the Iron Curtain fell. The truth was revealed. I read a story written by two adventurous fellows who rode bicycles from Moscow to Vladivostok. What they found, except for Moscow, was basically a Third World country. So much for the quality of our intelligence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I heard stories from academics who had attended a conference in Moscow in the 1970s.

1. Big Brother was there. A Russian who was visiting  foreign conference attendees in their hotel room got a nasty phone call in the hotel room. Shaken, he left, ASAP.
2. But Big Brother couldn&#039;t be everywhere all the time. Some Russians initiated conversations with them on the street, and when asked about Big Brother, replied that BB couldn&#039;t see all things all the time.
3. Even in Moscow, the crown jewel of the Soviet empire, the backwardness of the Soviet economy was evident. One Cold Warrior---Army Reserve---said that he no longer feared them, having seen their backward economy  up close.

I recall Matthias Rust&#039;s adventure of flying a small plane into the Soviet Union in the 1980s, able to elude Soviet air controls.

Your story about your Truman-disliking grandfather reminds me of a cousin of mine. His other grandmother, like your grandfather, was a staunch Republican. Knowing this, my cousin would work his grandmother up, getting her to fume about &quot;that Roosevelt.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.J.</p>
<blockquote><p>For decades we were told about the<br />
USS’s vaunted industrial power and economic strides. We were told we were falling behind.</p>
<p>Then, unbelievably, the Iron Curtain fell. The truth was revealed. I read a story written by two adventurous fellows who rode bicycles from Moscow to Vladivostok. What they found, except for Moscow, was basically a Third World country. So much for the quality of our intelligence.</p></blockquote>
<p>I heard stories from academics who had attended a conference in Moscow in the 1970s.</p>
<p>1. Big Brother was there. A Russian who was visiting  foreign conference attendees in their hotel room got a nasty phone call in the hotel room. Shaken, he left, ASAP.<br />
2. But Big Brother couldn&#8217;t be everywhere all the time. Some Russians initiated conversations with them on the street, and when asked about Big Brother, replied that BB couldn&#8217;t see all things all the time.<br />
3. Even in Moscow, the crown jewel of the Soviet empire, the backwardness of the Soviet economy was evident. One Cold Warrior&#8212;Army Reserve&#8212;said that he no longer feared them, having seen their backward economy  up close.</p>
<p>I recall Matthias Rust&#8217;s adventure of flying a small plane into the Soviet Union in the 1980s, able to elude Soviet air controls.</p>
<p>Your story about your Truman-disliking grandfather reminds me of a cousin of mine. His other grandmother, like your grandfather, was a staunch Republican. Knowing this, my cousin would work his grandmother up, getting her to fume about &#8220;that Roosevelt.&#8221;</p>
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		By: David Foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2025 22:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RTF...&quot;was the 1946 contest between a mechanical calculator and an abacus? The Internet says the first all electric calculator wasn’t available until over a decade later&quot;

There were mechanical calculators powered by electric motors...the logic performing the arithmetic was all mechanical, but the motor spared the operator the effort of repeatedly pulling the level.  I mentioned early calculators in this post:

https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/73968.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RTF&#8230;&#8221;was the 1946 contest between a mechanical calculator and an abacus? The Internet says the first all electric calculator wasn’t available until over a decade later&#8221;</p>
<p>There were mechanical calculators powered by electric motors&#8230;the logic performing the arithmetic was all mechanical, but the motor spared the operator the effort of repeatedly pulling the level.  I mentioned early calculators in this post:</p>
<p><a href="https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/73968.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/73968.html</a></p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2025 21:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I never heard a good word about Truman from my grandpa, who was a staunch Republican.  Except when he gave the order to drop the bomb. My grandpa approved of that.

In 1960I worked for an officer who was Truman&#039;s Navval attaché. He told me several stories about the &quot;old man.&quot;  

I remember especially the one about how Truman got fed up with Stalin&#039;s stalling tactics at Potsdam.  He apparently told Stalin he was leaving because he had work to do in D.C., and to call him when Stalin was ready to do some negotiating. That broke the logjam and Stalin quit stalling.  

Truman liked to play poker and would play low stakes games with his staff. My old boss loved the man. His stories certainly changed my view of Truman.

I agree that WWII and the atom bomb played a big role in our future conflicts.  The use of force was always calculated so as not to trigger a bigger conflict.  I blame a lot of it on faulty intelligence.  For decades we were told about the 
USS&#039;s vaunted industrial power and economic strides.  We were told we were falling behind.  

Then, unbelievably, the Iron Curtain fell. The truth was revealed. I read a story written by two adventurous fellows who rode bicycles from Moscow to Vladivostok.  What they found, except for Moscow, was basically a Third World country. So much for the quality of our intelligence.

WWII was supposed to put an end to nations invading one another. And democracies bought into the idea. The authoritarians didn&#039;t. And they probably never will. 
For that reason, democratic nations must always be prepared to defend and defeat authoritarian aggressors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never heard a good word about Truman from my grandpa, who was a staunch Republican.  Except when he gave the order to drop the bomb. My grandpa approved of that.</p>
<p>In 1960I worked for an officer who was Truman&#8217;s Navval attaché. He told me several stories about the &#8220;old man.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I remember especially the one about how Truman got fed up with Stalin&#8217;s stalling tactics at Potsdam.  He apparently told Stalin he was leaving because he had work to do in D.C., and to call him when Stalin was ready to do some negotiating. That broke the logjam and Stalin quit stalling.  </p>
<p>Truman liked to play poker and would play low stakes games with his staff. My old boss loved the man. His stories certainly changed my view of Truman.</p>
<p>I agree that WWII and the atom bomb played a big role in our future conflicts.  The use of force was always calculated so as not to trigger a bigger conflict.  I blame a lot of it on faulty intelligence.  For decades we were told about the<br />
USS&#8217;s vaunted industrial power and economic strides.  We were told we were falling behind.  </p>
<p>Then, unbelievably, the Iron Curtain fell. The truth was revealed. I read a story written by two adventurous fellows who rode bicycles from Moscow to Vladivostok.  What they found, except for Moscow, was basically a Third World country. So much for the quality of our intelligence.</p>
<p>WWII was supposed to put an end to nations invading one another. And democracies bought into the idea. The authoritarians didn&#8217;t. And they probably never will.<br />
For that reason, democratic nations must always be prepared to defend and defeat authoritarian aggressors.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2025 17:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Tyler

Speculation is that immense amounts of German combat resources would have been available to be used against the Western allies.]]></description>
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<p>Speculation is that immense amounts of German combat resources would have been available to be used against the Western allies.</p>
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