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		By: Turtler		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry for the absence, real life has been mugging me. Will get to it. For what it is worth I do think Leo Frank was likely the murderer of Mary Phagan and even if not the court case did convincingly to my mind display he was a “sex pest” or sexual harasser. But that is a matter in his head, not that of all Jews. I also agree that while if he was guilty he deserved to hang and thus the commutation would have been regrettable, it is not as regrettable as a lynching murder like what he suffered, and I condemn that as murder and a miscarriage of justice.

For what it is worth this is also the attitude taken by the Phagan family, who have repeatedly stated they condemn the lynching but believe Frank to have been the murderer in the weight of evidence, and that while they will declare otherwise if they receive convincing evidence exonerating him, they have not yet. But again, that has more to do with Frank himself and the failings of local authorities than all American Jews.

As for how American Jews vote, I do care about that and think that should be something people care about, but more as one facet (however secondary or tertiary) of the wider battle prep and in line with or well behind things like how Chinese-Americans or Indian-Americans or who have you vote. And if there were serious interest in wondering about how Middle Aged Mestizo Urban Sanitation Workers or WASP blue collar retirees voted I would also advocate studying those. But it should be consummate with other concerns and demographics, and Jews are hardly the top concern there.

As for Asian-Americans or the like, this reminds me of several acquaintances I have met, mostly online, who were Chinese-American or at least claimed to be. Almost all fluent English writers who had lived in the West for years, some of whom were born here. Almost all of whom displayed fierce loyalty to China me even the CCP. While I did not exactly avoid the issue I did avoid pressing it (since I mostly met them in contexts other than modern politics), but you had better have believed issues like “dual loyalty” or worse came to my mind. I do not think for a second that is all Chinese-Americans or even Chinese in the U.S., not even most. But I do think it is a significant minority and those I spoke with were probably “lay” members and so not any kind of deep cover, directly handled asset like Fang Fang or long term infiltrator (several of whom would not be Han). And that the CCP could influence the actions of many such people or their friends or relatives in a way that - while detrimental to the U.S. in the long run - would involve no crime or liability except maybe a moral one (like somewhat subtle messaging about Candidate A being better for relations between China and the US in the hopes of driving votes to them). It definitely struck me as a more pressing issue than navel gazing about Jewish Americans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the absence, real life has been mugging me. Will get to it. For what it is worth I do think Leo Frank was likely the murderer of Mary Phagan and even if not the court case did convincingly to my mind display he was a “sex pest” or sexual harasser. But that is a matter in his head, not that of all Jews. I also agree that while if he was guilty he deserved to hang and thus the commutation would have been regrettable, it is not as regrettable as a lynching murder like what he suffered, and I condemn that as murder and a miscarriage of justice.</p>
<p>For what it is worth this is also the attitude taken by the Phagan family, who have repeatedly stated they condemn the lynching but believe Frank to have been the murderer in the weight of evidence, and that while they will declare otherwise if they receive convincing evidence exonerating him, they have not yet. But again, that has more to do with Frank himself and the failings of local authorities than all American Jews.</p>
<p>As for how American Jews vote, I do care about that and think that should be something people care about, but more as one facet (however secondary or tertiary) of the wider battle prep and in line with or well behind things like how Chinese-Americans or Indian-Americans or who have you vote. And if there were serious interest in wondering about how Middle Aged Mestizo Urban Sanitation Workers or WASP blue collar retirees voted I would also advocate studying those. But it should be consummate with other concerns and demographics, and Jews are hardly the top concern there.</p>
<p>As for Asian-Americans or the like, this reminds me of several acquaintances I have met, mostly online, who were Chinese-American or at least claimed to be. Almost all fluent English writers who had lived in the West for years, some of whom were born here. Almost all of whom displayed fierce loyalty to China me even the CCP. While I did not exactly avoid the issue I did avoid pressing it (since I mostly met them in contexts other than modern politics), but you had better have believed issues like “dual loyalty” or worse came to my mind. I do not think for a second that is all Chinese-Americans or even Chinese in the U.S., not even most. But I do think it is a significant minority and those I spoke with were probably “lay” members and so not any kind of deep cover, directly handled asset like Fang Fang or long term infiltrator (several of whom would not be Han). And that the CCP could influence the actions of many such people or their friends or relatives in a way that &#8211; while detrimental to the U.S. in the long run &#8211; would involve no crime or liability except maybe a moral one (like somewhat subtle messaging about Candidate A being better for relations between China and the US in the hopes of driving votes to them). It definitely struck me as a more pressing issue than navel gazing about Jewish Americans.</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2025 15:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@FOAF: Your third set of distortions. I mentioned the Jewish vote only once, in my first comment. 

The rest of my comments are motivated by my concern that American Jews who persist in outdated notions of which Americans are dangerous to them, are in much more danger than they would be if they caught their ideas up to the year 2025.

The Congresswoman for Seattle is Pramila Jayapal, one of the most anti-Israel people in Congress. She is not a white evangelical or a white Southerner. She got 83.9% of the vote in 2024. Her base is the progressive left and a loose coalition of non-whites some of whom are progressive and some of whom are in it for government jobs and money. 

I don&#039;t know or care how many of Seattle&#039;s 75,000 Jews voted for her, and they&#039;re not numerous enough to have clinched the election for her in any event. But the people who did vote for her and who approve of her anti-Israel views and actions are the progressive white and non-white, non-Christian neighbors of Seattle&#039;s Jews, not Southern whites or white evangelicals. If voting for someone so anti-Israel threatens Jews, that&#039;s who&#039;s threatening Seattle&#039;s Jews.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FOAF: Your third set of distortions. I mentioned the Jewish vote only once, in my first comment. </p>
<p>The rest of my comments are motivated by my concern that American Jews who persist in outdated notions of which Americans are dangerous to them, are in much more danger than they would be if they caught their ideas up to the year 2025.</p>
<p>The Congresswoman for Seattle is Pramila Jayapal, one of the most anti-Israel people in Congress. She is not a white evangelical or a white Southerner. She got 83.9% of the vote in 2024. Her base is the progressive left and a loose coalition of non-whites some of whom are progressive and some of whom are in it for government jobs and money. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know or care how many of Seattle&#8217;s 75,000 Jews voted for her, and they&#8217;re not numerous enough to have clinched the election for her in any event. But the people who did vote for her and who approve of her anti-Israel views and actions are the progressive white and non-white, non-Christian neighbors of Seattle&#8217;s Jews, not Southern whites or white evangelicals. If voting for someone so anti-Israel threatens Jews, that&#8217;s who&#8217;s threatening Seattle&#8217;s Jews.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2025 10:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

The voting of Jews in general doesn&#039;t resemble that of blacks.  For Jews it&#039;s generally between 60% and 70% for Democrats, depending on the year (in polls with decent-sized samples and representative sampling technique).  For blacks it&#039;s usually at least 90% for Democrats.  Why are you comparing those two?  They are quite different.

In New York State in 2024, the  best surveys of Jews shows they &lt;a href=&quot;https://nypost.com/2024/11/06/us-news/trump-picks-up-50-of-jewish-vote-in-new-york/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;voted 55% for Democrats&lt;/a&gt;. At the moment I can&#039;t find statistics for NYC, but I recall reading figures of about 60%.

I can&#039;t find any statistics on how single people voted in NYC in 2024.  So there&#039;s no way to compare Jewish voting patterns to those of single people.  But, for example, &lt;a href=&quot;https://communitystudy.ujafedny.org/explore-data/manhattan&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;in Manhattan&lt;/a&gt; only 50% of adult Jews are married, &lt;a href=&quot;https://communitystudy.ujafedny.org/explore-data/brooklyn&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;in Brooklyn&lt;/a&gt; 62% are married, in &lt;a href=&quot;https://communitystudy.ujafedny.org/explore-data/bronx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;the Bronx&lt;/a&gt; 50% are married, &lt;a href=&quot;https://communitystudy.ujafedny.org/explore-data/queens&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;in Queens&lt;/a&gt; 53% are married, and &lt;a href=&quot;https://communitystudy.ujafedny.org/explore-data/staten-island&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;in Staten Island&lt;/a&gt; 60% are married.  To me, anyway, these seem to be relatively high &quot;unmarried&quot; figures.  

Also, as far as the comparison to patterns of voting for black NYC residents goes, please &lt;a href=&quot;//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_New_York&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;look at this list&lt;/a&gt; of districts in NYC and how they voted.  A predominantly black district, the 41st, (&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City%27s_41st_City_Council_district&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;80% black and 14% Hispanic&lt;/a&gt;) voted 90% for Harris in 2024.  Jewish voting patterns are much less strongly for Democrats than that.  Also, contrast that with the &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City%27s_44th_City_Council_district&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;44th district,&lt;/a&gt; which has a lot of Orthodox Jews.  It went 82.8% for Trump in 2024.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>The voting of Jews in general doesn&#8217;t resemble that of blacks.  For Jews it&#8217;s generally between 60% and 70% for Democrats, depending on the year (in polls with decent-sized samples and representative sampling technique).  For blacks it&#8217;s usually at least 90% for Democrats.  Why are you comparing those two?  They are quite different.</p>
<p>In New York State in 2024, the  best surveys of Jews shows they <a href="https://nypost.com/2024/11/06/us-news/trump-picks-up-50-of-jewish-vote-in-new-york/" rel="nofollow ugc">voted 55% for Democrats</a>. At the moment I can&#8217;t find statistics for NYC, but I recall reading figures of about 60%.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t find any statistics on how single people voted in NYC in 2024.  So there&#8217;s no way to compare Jewish voting patterns to those of single people.  But, for example, <a href="https://communitystudy.ujafedny.org/explore-data/manhattan" rel="nofollow ugc">in Manhattan</a> only 50% of adult Jews are married, <a href="https://communitystudy.ujafedny.org/explore-data/brooklyn" rel="nofollow ugc">in Brooklyn</a> 62% are married, in <a href="https://communitystudy.ujafedny.org/explore-data/bronx" rel="nofollow ugc">the Bronx</a> 50% are married, <a href="https://communitystudy.ujafedny.org/explore-data/queens" rel="nofollow ugc">in Queens</a> 53% are married, and <a href="https://communitystudy.ujafedny.org/explore-data/staten-island" rel="nofollow ugc">in Staten Island</a> 60% are married.  To me, anyway, these seem to be relatively high &#8220;unmarried&#8221; figures.  </p>
<p>Also, as far as the comparison to patterns of voting for black NYC residents goes, please <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_New_York" rel="nofollow ugc">look at this list</a> of districts in NYC and how they voted.  A predominantly black district, the 41st, (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City%27s_41st_City_Council_district" rel="nofollow ugc">80% black and 14% Hispanic</a>) voted 90% for Harris in 2024.  Jewish voting patterns are much less strongly for Democrats than that.  Also, contrast that with the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City%27s_44th_City_Council_district" rel="nofollow ugc">44th district,</a> which has a lot of Orthodox Jews.  It went 82.8% for Trump in 2024.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2025 07:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I have said nothing whatever about their numbers and importance&quot;

You sure yak about it as if it is important.  And about the &quot;Jewish vote&quot; after complaining people pay too much attention to it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have said nothing whatever about their numbers and importance&#8221;</p>
<p>You sure yak about it as if it is important.  And about the &#8220;Jewish vote&#8221; after complaining people pay too much attention to it.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2025 01:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Please do more reading about the case.&lt;/i&gt;
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You cannot get to where you want to go with this case.  The information base is not there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Please do more reading about the case.</i><br />
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You cannot get to where you want to go with this case.  The information base is not there.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2025 01:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I have not contended that Jews vote for Democrats as some reaction to anti-Semitism. In fact, I’ve explicitly said they vote for Democrats for the same reasons that other urban residents of blue states vote for Democrats.&lt;/i&gt;
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Core cities are chock a block with blacks and with people without children.  Why would the voting patterns of the Jewish population resemble these two segments?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have not contended that Jews vote for Democrats as some reaction to anti-Semitism. In fact, I’ve explicitly said they vote for Democrats for the same reasons that other urban residents of blue states vote for Democrats.</i><br />
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Core cities are chock a block with blacks and with people without children.  Why would the voting patterns of the Jewish population resemble these two segments?</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2025 00:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

I have not contended that Jews vote for Democrats as some reaction to anti-Semitism. In fact, I&#039;ve explicitly said they vote for Democrats for the same reasons that other urban residents of blue states vote for Democrats.

We have discussed anti-Semitism here because I originally mentioned seeing a lot of antisemitic discussions online about how Jews vote.  And then, after that, I&#039;ve been responding to comments that discussed antisemitism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>I have not contended that Jews vote for Democrats as some reaction to anti-Semitism. In fact, I&#8217;ve explicitly said they vote for Democrats for the same reasons that other urban residents of blue states vote for Democrats.</p>
<p>We have discussed anti-Semitism here because I originally mentioned seeing a lot of antisemitic discussions online about how Jews vote.  And then, after that, I&#8217;ve been responding to comments that discussed antisemitism.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2025 00:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

Please do more reading about the case.  For example, please &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2020/02/20/alonzo-mann-says-jim-conley-murdered-mary-phagan/4819312002/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;see this&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>Please do more reading about the case.  For example, please <a href="https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2020/02/20/alonzo-mann-says-jim-conley-murdered-mary-phagan/4819312002/" rel="nofollow ugc">see this</a>.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2025 23:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

I have answered that question.  I have described anti-Semitism of many kinds, known and personally experienced by the parents and grandparents of younger people alive today.  Why should those people not feel a certain amount of distrust, particularly since anti-Semitism is still alive all around the world?  Trust, once broken, is hard to regain.

And those 1938 poll numbers are very high. Higher than today - but how high is anti-Semitism in the US today?  &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ajc.org/news/ajcs-state-of-antisemitism-in-america-2024-report-behind-the-numbers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Let&#039;s see&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and college campuses. These are the battlefields where young American Jews continue to encounter antisemitism at an alarming rate. 

According to the latest annual State of Antisemitism in America Report released by American Jewish Committee (AJC) on February 12, 2025, online and on social media continue to be the place where American Jews encounter the worsening trend of antisemitism from a variety of sources including white supremacists on the far right and anti-Israel extremists on the far left.

Roughly seven in 10 (69%) Jewish adults report experiencing antisemitism online or on social media – including those who say they have been personally targeted and those who say they have seen or heard antisemitic incidents. This increases to eight in 10 (83%) among young Jewish adults.

Of the U.S. adults who witnessed antisemitism in the past 12 months, the majority (70%) say they saw it online or on social media.

“I work in social media. I see it every day, all day long,” one young Jewish professional said. 

Roughly three-quarters (77%) of American Jews said they feel less safe as a Jewish person in the U.S. because of the October 7 attacks, with nine in 10 saying that antisemitism in the U.S. has increased since that fateful day.

While the far-right and white supremacist hate remains a very serious threat in the United States, more American Jews say the extreme political left is a very serious antisemitic threat compared to 2021. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I certainly see it constantly, especially on the left but also on the right.  Sometimes it takes the old-fashioned Christian form, but far more often it takes the old-fashioned &quot;capitalists&quot; or &quot;Communists&quot; or &quot;working against white people&quot; or &quot;colonists&quot; or &quot;globalists&quot; forms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>I have answered that question.  I have described anti-Semitism of many kinds, known and personally experienced by the parents and grandparents of younger people alive today.  Why should those people not feel a certain amount of distrust, particularly since anti-Semitism is still alive all around the world?  Trust, once broken, is hard to regain.</p>
<p>And those 1938 poll numbers are very high. Higher than today &#8211; but how high is anti-Semitism in the US today?  <a href="https://www.ajc.org/news/ajcs-state-of-antisemitism-in-america-2024-report-behind-the-numbers" rel="nofollow ugc">Let&#8217;s see</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and college campuses. These are the battlefields where young American Jews continue to encounter antisemitism at an alarming rate. </p>
<p>According to the latest annual State of Antisemitism in America Report released by American Jewish Committee (AJC) on February 12, 2025, online and on social media continue to be the place where American Jews encounter the worsening trend of antisemitism from a variety of sources including white supremacists on the far right and anti-Israel extremists on the far left.</p>
<p>Roughly seven in 10 (69%) Jewish adults report experiencing antisemitism online or on social media – including those who say they have been personally targeted and those who say they have seen or heard antisemitic incidents. This increases to eight in 10 (83%) among young Jewish adults.</p>
<p>Of the U.S. adults who witnessed antisemitism in the past 12 months, the majority (70%) say they saw it online or on social media.</p>
<p>“I work in social media. I see it every day, all day long,” one young Jewish professional said. </p>
<p>Roughly three-quarters (77%) of American Jews said they feel less safe as a Jewish person in the U.S. because of the October 7 attacks, with nine in 10 saying that antisemitism in the U.S. has increased since that fateful day.</p>
<p>While the far-right and white supremacist hate remains a very serious threat in the United States, more American Jews say the extreme political left is a very serious antisemitic threat compared to 2021. </p></blockquote>
<p>I certainly see it constantly, especially on the left but also on the right.  Sometimes it takes the old-fashioned Christian form, but far more often it takes the old-fashioned &#8220;capitalists&#8221; or &#8220;Communists&#8221; or &#8220;working against white people&#8221; or &#8220;colonists&#8221; or &#8220;globalists&#8221; forms.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re telling me that pollsters discovered antagonism to American Jews in 1938 and at other times. That still does not explain to me why that would influence their political preferences today or account for a hostility to Southerners or evangelicals among Jews.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re telling me that pollsters discovered antagonism to American Jews in 1938 and at other times. That still does not explain to me why that would influence their political preferences today or account for a hostility to Southerners or evangelicals among Jews.</p>
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