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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Presuming the necessary material was hidden before the strike, weaponizing it will be obvious.  At least to Mossad, if not to more conventional inspection.

Ref WMD in Iraq;  making chemical weapons is a process interested countries figured out sometime around 1917.  How do you make phosgene?  Derail a train near East Palestine and light up the leaking tank cars.  Raid&#039;s antidote is atropine, same as we would have been issued back in the day if going into nerve gas territory.

Look up the Gulf War Syndrome.

Jordanian police busted a terrorist attack in 2004 which included large quantities of nerve gas.  Which came from where?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presuming the necessary material was hidden before the strike, weaponizing it will be obvious.  At least to Mossad, if not to more conventional inspection.</p>
<p>Ref WMD in Iraq;  making chemical weapons is a process interested countries figured out sometime around 1917.  How do you make phosgene?  Derail a train near East Palestine and light up the leaking tank cars.  Raid&#8217;s antidote is atropine, same as we would have been issued back in the day if going into nerve gas territory.</p>
<p>Look up the Gulf War Syndrome.</p>
<p>Jordanian police busted a terrorist attack in 2004 which included large quantities of nerve gas.  Which came from where?</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2025 19:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rick67:

Your supervisor would &quot;know&quot; it only when they detonated it over Israel.  Perhaps your supervisor would be willing to wait, but Israel and the US weren&#039;t.

We do know they enriched uranium to 60%. The only reason to do that - the ONLY one - is to make a bomb, which can be done in short order.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick67:</p>
<p>Your supervisor would &#8220;know&#8221; it only when they detonated it over Israel.  Perhaps your supervisor would be willing to wait, but Israel and the US weren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>We do know they enriched uranium to 60%. The only reason to do that &#8211; the ONLY one &#8211; is to make a bomb, which can be done in short order.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2025 18:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; But it’s hard to forget Iraq where what we thought we knew turned out to be an illusion.&lt;/i&gt;

Rick67:

Sez you and a lot of other people. That don&#039;t make it true. 

There&#039;s no question Saddam Hussein wanted WMD, developed WMD, even used WMD on his own people. He had built a nuclear plant for bombs at Osirak which the Israelis took out. Chemical weapons were found in Iraq after the war.

Then there&#039;s the question about that large fleet of trucks sent from Iraq to Syria just before the Iraq War began

Meanwhile Hussein was constantly playing cat and mouse with weapons inspectors and breaking the terms of the Gulf War Treaty.

Don&#039;t talk to me about illusions. 

One can argue about whether pre-emption was justified and how much WMD Iraq had within some window of time. But  those concerns were not illusions and almost all of the Democrat leadership backed Bush at the beginning of the Iraq War.

&lt;i&gt;--Republican National Committee, &quot;Democrats on Iraq&quot;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4m1QB_6gQg&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> But it’s hard to forget Iraq where what we thought we knew turned out to be an illusion.</i></p>
<p>Rick67:</p>
<p>Sez you and a lot of other people. That don&#8217;t make it true. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no question Saddam Hussein wanted WMD, developed WMD, even used WMD on his own people. He had built a nuclear plant for bombs at Osirak which the Israelis took out. Chemical weapons were found in Iraq after the war.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the question about that large fleet of trucks sent from Iraq to Syria just before the Iraq War began</p>
<p>Meanwhile Hussein was constantly playing cat and mouse with weapons inspectors and breaking the terms of the Gulf War Treaty.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t talk to me about illusions. </p>
<p>One can argue about whether pre-emption was justified and how much WMD Iraq had within some window of time. But  those concerns were not illusions and almost all of the Democrat leadership backed Bush at the beginning of the Iraq War.</p>
<p><i>&#8211;Republican National Committee, &#8220;Democrats on Iraq&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4m1QB_6gQg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4m1QB_6gQg</a></i></p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2025 18:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brendan O’Neill weighs in on this “special sort of person” (though for whatever reason he doesn’t seem to agree with me WRT their “specialness”…).

“The ‘Forever War’ we should really be worried about;
“Iran’s ceaseless and racist war on the Jewish State is the true cause of the mayhem in the Middle East.”—
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/06/23/the-forever-war-we-should-really-be-worried-about/
H/T Powerline blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendan O’Neill weighs in on this “special sort of person” (though for whatever reason he doesn’t seem to agree with me WRT their “specialness”…).</p>
<p>“The ‘Forever War’ we should really be worried about;<br />
“Iran’s ceaseless and racist war on the Jewish State is the true cause of the mayhem in the Middle East.”—<br />
<a href="https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/06/23/the-forever-war-we-should-really-be-worried-about/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/06/23/the-forever-war-we-should-really-be-worried-about/</a><br />
H/T Powerline blog.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2025 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Indeed, anything is possible; but it takes a special sort of person to—at this stage—give Iran the benefit of the doubt….

(To be sure, there are many special sorts of people out there—kind, compassionate, intelligent, benevolent, concerned, caring, humane, etc…)

In any event, I guess the mullahs’ll have to rebuild their special “Destruction of Israel” countdown clock—and perhaps even have to reset it.)

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-tehran-idf-strikes-irgc-sites-gate-of-evin-prison-destruction-of-israel-clock/amp/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, anything is possible; but it takes a special sort of person to—at this stage—give Iran the benefit of the doubt….</p>
<p>(To be sure, there are many special sorts of people out there—kind, compassionate, intelligent, benevolent, concerned, caring, humane, etc…)</p>
<p>In any event, I guess the mullahs’ll have to rebuild their special “Destruction of Israel” countdown clock—and perhaps even have to reset it.)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-tehran-idf-strikes-irgc-sites-gate-of-evin-prison-destruction-of-israel-clock/amp/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-tehran-idf-strikes-irgc-sites-gate-of-evin-prison-destruction-of-israel-clock/amp/</a></p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOAF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2025 18:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not an unreasonable questions from your supervisor, Rick.  But it should be pointed out that Israel cannot afford to guess wrong.
No matter how good the IDF is or how incompetent their enemies, Israel’s basic strategic position is that it is a tiny country surrounded and vastly outnumbered by people who want to do them in.

Sure they have nukes so no problem, right?  But the nukes are strictly for last resort deterrence.  Do you want Israel using them in Gaza?  Or even Iran?  A nuke would have been more effective in disabling Fordow than even the largest US bunker buster.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not an unreasonable questions from your supervisor, Rick.  But it should be pointed out that Israel cannot afford to guess wrong.<br />
No matter how good the IDF is or how incompetent their enemies, Israel’s basic strategic position is that it is a tiny country surrounded and vastly outnumbered by people who want to do them in.</p>
<p>Sure they have nukes so no problem, right?  But the nukes are strictly for last resort deterrence.  Do you want Israel using them in Gaza?  Or even Iran?  A nuke would have been more effective in disabling Fordow than even the largest US bunker buster.</p>
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		By: Rick67		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had an excellent conversation with my supervisor about this. We have a very good working relationship and I was open about my view that Israel *had* to do something and (this part is less clear) the only way Israel could effectively halt Iran&#039;s progress in building a nuclear device was for the United States to lend a helping hand.

And one article I read argued Israel would not have started this if they did not *know* they could take out Fordow. Which means they knew they could count on an assist.

My supervisor pushed back with several good questions. One of which was, do we *know* Iran had a nuclear weapon (perhaps more precisely do we *know* they were close enough to having one that immediate action was necessary)? She especially pointed out Tulsi Gabbard&#039;s earlier statement that Iran did not have (was not close to having?) such a weapon.

Her reasonable questions were along the lines of whether Israel&#039;s actions (more importantly United States involvement) were justified. I think they were. I trust that Israel and Trump did know. I note AesopFan&#039;s comment above. But it&#039;s hard to forget Iraq where what we thought we knew turned out to be an illusion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an excellent conversation with my supervisor about this. We have a very good working relationship and I was open about my view that Israel *had* to do something and (this part is less clear) the only way Israel could effectively halt Iran&#8217;s progress in building a nuclear device was for the United States to lend a helping hand.</p>
<p>And one article I read argued Israel would not have started this if they did not *know* they could take out Fordow. Which means they knew they could count on an assist.</p>
<p>My supervisor pushed back with several good questions. One of which was, do we *know* Iran had a nuclear weapon (perhaps more precisely do we *know* they were close enough to having one that immediate action was necessary)? She especially pointed out Tulsi Gabbard&#8217;s earlier statement that Iran did not have (was not close to having?) such a weapon.</p>
<p>Her reasonable questions were along the lines of whether Israel&#8217;s actions (more importantly United States involvement) were justified. I think they were. I trust that Israel and Trump did know. I note AesopFan&#8217;s comment above. But it&#8217;s hard to forget Iraq where what we thought we knew turned out to be an illusion.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Possibly, Trump bet that talking as if there were an iron clad ceasefire would put Iran in the obvious wrong when they couldn&#039;t help themselves and fired at Israel. And when Israel fired back, it wasn&#039;t them &quot;starting it&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly, Trump bet that talking as if there were an iron clad ceasefire would put Iran in the obvious wrong when they couldn&#8217;t help themselves and fired at Israel. And when Israel fired back, it wasn&#8217;t them &#8220;starting it&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Sennacherib		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sennacherib]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2025 11:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Israel good job!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel good job!</p>
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		By: Sennacherib		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sennacherib]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2025 11:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Israel ?!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel ?!</p>
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