Comments on: Israel unleashes huge attack on Iran

By: Ray Van Dune

Ray Van Dune — Sat, 14 Jun 2025 04:24:08 +0000

Israel will pound Iran to the point where it is out of both offensive and air defense missiles.

Then the B-2s will come in from Diego Garcia and deliver the coup de grace to the deep nuclear bunkers.

As Churchill sagaciously noted, “Rubble don’t cause trouble.”

By: FOAF

FOAF — Sat, 14 Jun 2025 03:53:57 +0000

miguel – also Zell Miller, he and Lieberman were the last two honorable Democrats.

By: huxley

huxley — Sat, 14 Jun 2025 02:15:15 +0000

From the meatiest article I’ve encountered on Israel’s strategy:
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Echoing Netanyahu, his national security adviser also acknowledged that Israel was unlikely to be able to completely destroy Iran’s nuclear program through military strikes.

Speaking to Channel 12, Tzachi Hanegbi said the overall goal of Israel’s campaign, rather, is to pressure Iran militarily into agreeing to completely dismantle its nuclear program.

Earlier Friday, Trump said that Iran still had another chance to strike a nuclear deal after Israel launched its ongoing attack….

Hanegbi specified that the goals of the ongoing operation, as approved by the cabinet, against Iran were four-fold: striking Iran’s nuclear program, striking its ballistic missile capabilities; attacking its capacity to destroy Israel via a ground attack; and creating the conditions for the long-term thwarting of Iran’s nuclear program via diplomatic means.

Asked if this meant that Israel does not have the goal of “the IDF destroying Iran’s nuclear program,” Hanegbi replies: “That’s not possible. It cannot be done via kinetic means.”

What is possible, he says, is a solution such as played out in Libya, South Africa and elsewhere, where “the balance of pros and cons” leads the leadership of a state to abandon its nuclear weapons efforts.

“Only the Americans can bring that about,” he said. “Only President Trump. He is capable of bringing about what is described as ‘a good deal’ — the model under which Iran, by its choice, gives up on nuclear weapons, pays considerable costs, gets lots of benefits… That’s the diplomatic expectation…”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-israel-couldnt-wait-anymore-to-strike-iran-idf-confirms-hitting-isfahan-nuclear-site/
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So it is Good Cop / Bad Cop.

By: Miguel cervantes

Miguel cervantes — Sat, 14 Jun 2025 00:28:05 +0000

They will never get a clue, even though he shows them the face cards

By: sdferr

sdferr — Fri, 13 Jun 2025 23:12:35 +0000

Day 61 might make a decent title for the docudrama movie on the subject, to be made around 2029 or thereabouts.

By: huxley

huxley — Fri, 13 Jun 2025 22:57:45 +0000

@Mrs Whatsit: Trump’s apparent vacillation on Israel has been a headfake all along and that Trump and Netanyahu collaborated in a great deception to lull Iran into complacency. I’m thinking respect might be in order. That's my read too. His enemies keep underestimating Trump. That's how he beats them.

By: huxley

huxley — Fri, 13 Jun 2025 22:48:53 +0000

@sdferr: Lee Smith in Tablet, “The Normal President”

The first paragraph is great too — and true:
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The main reason Israel’s massive attack on Iranian leadership, nuclear facilities, and other targets came as a surprise is that no one believes American presidents when they talk about protecting Americans and advancing our interests—especially when they’re talking about the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Ever since the 1979 Iranian Revolution, U.S. presidents have wanted an accommodation with Iran…
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I had a bad feeling when Trump laid down that 60-day deadline for negotiations. I figured the Iranians would just play pretend and spin the process out while they made a run to breakout a bomb.

Well, they did, but they neglected to notice they were dealing with a real Jacksonian president, Donald J. Trump.

FAFO.

Which they did on Day 61.

By: Miguel cervantes

Miguel cervantes — Fri, 13 Jun 2025 22:48:38 +0000

Joe lieberman who was practically driven of the party (who was a reform democrat) on the north east i cant really think anyone else of use

By: Mrs Whatsit

Mrs Whatsit — Fri, 13 Jun 2025 22:47:31 +0000

He also took a political jab at the US president, insisting that Israel’s decision to attack “is further evidence of how little respect world powers — including our own allies — have for President Trump.”

Meanwhile, Michael Doran in the Free Press is arguing — quite convincingly — that Trump’s apparent vacillation on Israel has been a headfake all along and that Trump and Netanyahu collaborated in a great deception to lull Iran into complacency. I’m thinking respect might be in order.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-ultimate-deception-how-trump

By: FOAF

FOAF — Fri, 13 Jun 2025 22:44:11 +0000

Gringo – one of the key proximate reasons I ditched the Dems over 20 years ago was coming to the conclusion that national security meant nothing to them except as a political football. Looking back it was right around the time Dan Moynihan passed, maybe not a coincidence.