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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2025 01:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Absolutely related:

“How the Media Manufactured a ‘Genocide’;
“A data-driven investigation into the way coverage of Israel’s war in Gaza surpasses actual genocides in Darfur, Rwanda, and beyond”—
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/media-manufactured-genocide-gaza

“Israel Unearths the Truth;
“REVIEW: ‘When the Stones Speak: The Remarkable Discovery of the City of David and What Israel’s Enemies Don’t Want You to Know”—
https://freebeacon.com/culture/israel-unearths-the-truth/


H/T Powerline blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely related:</p>
<p>“How the Media Manufactured a ‘Genocide’;<br />
“A data-driven investigation into the way coverage of Israel’s war in Gaza surpasses actual genocides in Darfur, Rwanda, and beyond”—<br />
<a href="https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/media-manufactured-genocide-gaza" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/media-manufactured-genocide-gaza</a></p>
<p>“Israel Unearths the Truth;<br />
“REVIEW: ‘When the Stones Speak: The Remarkable Discovery of the City of David and What Israel’s Enemies Don’t Want You to Know”—<br />
<a href="https://freebeacon.com/culture/israel-unearths-the-truth/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://freebeacon.com/culture/israel-unearths-the-truth/</a></p>
<p>H/T Powerline blog.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/06/06/purposeful-misunderstanding-the-slogan-free-palestine/#comment-2805805</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2025 02:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Palestine as an Arab state could have existed in 1948. 

But in order to accept Palestine as an Arab state in 1948 meant that the Arabs would have had to accept Israel as a Jewish state. 

This they could not do.
(In fact Arabs in British Mandatory Palestine never even referred to themselves as “Palestinians” until the mid-1960s when it was decided that they do so for strategic reasons: to more effectively undermine and eventually destroy the State of Israel.)

Flash forward to Oslo: the “two-state solution” (AKA“two states for two peoples”) was, and is, a diplomatic deception meant to chip away at Israel‘s defensive capabilities, both military and especially diplomatic, so as to eventually enable Israel’s destruction. 

&lt;b&gt;The mistake that was made—and continues to be made—was/is to believe that the I-P conflict is a territorial one when in fact it is an existential one, wherein Israel—always having been considered illegitimate by those attempting its destruction—must be erased.

IOW the mistake was/is to believe that territorial compromise is at all possible. &lt;/b&gt;

Hence “Palestine”…which continues to “exist” as long as Israel continues to exist; “Palestine”, which continues to “exist” as a tool to destroy the Jewish State. 

And should that goal—Israel’s destruction, AKA “regional peace”, AKA “global peace”—be achieved, “Palestine”, no longer needed as a useful tool, will disappear from whence it came…as the land “between the river and the sea” is beset by vicious internecine violence and/or swallowed up by its stronger neighbors such that the resulting carnage will be entirely ignored or rationalized entirely out of existence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palestine as an Arab state could have existed in 1948. </p>
<p>But in order to accept Palestine as an Arab state in 1948 meant that the Arabs would have had to accept Israel as a Jewish state. </p>
<p>This they could not do.<br />
(In fact Arabs in British Mandatory Palestine never even referred to themselves as “Palestinians” until the mid-1960s when it was decided that they do so for strategic reasons: to more effectively undermine and eventually destroy the State of Israel.)</p>
<p>Flash forward to Oslo: the “two-state solution” (AKA“two states for two peoples”) was, and is, a diplomatic deception meant to chip away at Israel‘s defensive capabilities, both military and especially diplomatic, so as to eventually enable Israel’s destruction. </p>
<p><b>The mistake that was made—and continues to be made—was/is to believe that the I-P conflict is a territorial one when in fact it is an existential one, wherein Israel—always having been considered illegitimate by those attempting its destruction—must be erased.</p>
<p>IOW the mistake was/is to believe that territorial compromise is at all possible. </b></p>
<p>Hence “Palestine”…which continues to “exist” as long as Israel continues to exist; “Palestine”, which continues to “exist” as a tool to destroy the Jewish State. </p>
<p>And should that goal—Israel’s destruction, AKA “regional peace”, AKA “global peace”—be achieved, “Palestine”, no longer needed as a useful tool, will disappear from whence it came…as the land “between the river and the sea” is beset by vicious internecine violence and/or swallowed up by its stronger neighbors such that the resulting carnage will be entirely ignored or rationalized entirely out of existence.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I figure the left lines up with the Palestinians because those clowns oppose the West and are willing to massacre innocents in their hatred.  What could be more yummy than that?
But the left would find somebody else to partner with, absent the Palis.

Not sure just how ignorant those crowds are.  When you hear them screaming their arguments at a line of counter protestors, they don&#039;t answer the challenges directly.  They switch out the meaning by twenty or thirty degrees and yell about that. It&#039;s useless to discuss anything with them since you will never settle on even a preposition should it be inconvenient to them.  I don&#039;t know if one can do this without conscious effort.

It doesn&#039;t matter who the Palis are, were, or where they came from, the nation-state status of wherever they live, they&#039;re an entity useful to the left if it is pretended that they are all of the above; a people wit a history, a nation, an ethnic continuity, and a legal nation-state.  Any attempt to address these will meet with slippery evasions and changes of the meaning of one or another word.  Or appeals to how badly they have been, alleged to have been, treated, as if that justifies their actions.  True or false is irrelevant.

I keep thinking that Darwin would have suggested we have a little brain bulb which says;, If you keep thinking this illogically, a canis dirus and a smilodon will be arguing over your corpse.  Those without or who ignored it have been Purina for a hundred thousand years.
We have a pleasure center, right?  Why not a logic critic?  More useful.

They must know there&#039;s something wrong with their argument, but they NEED to make it anyway.  These days, anyway, it&#039;s somebody else who gets eaten up.

And since they know they&#039;re lying, in a sense, there&#039;s no sense in discussing things with them as if they&#039;re simply misinformed.

The question, for me, is...how did they get this way?  What&#039;s in it for them?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figure the left lines up with the Palestinians because those clowns oppose the West and are willing to massacre innocents in their hatred.  What could be more yummy than that?<br />
But the left would find somebody else to partner with, absent the Palis.</p>
<p>Not sure just how ignorant those crowds are.  When you hear them screaming their arguments at a line of counter protestors, they don&#8217;t answer the challenges directly.  They switch out the meaning by twenty or thirty degrees and yell about that. It&#8217;s useless to discuss anything with them since you will never settle on even a preposition should it be inconvenient to them.  I don&#8217;t know if one can do this without conscious effort.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter who the Palis are, were, or where they came from, the nation-state status of wherever they live, they&#8217;re an entity useful to the left if it is pretended that they are all of the above; a people wit a history, a nation, an ethnic continuity, and a legal nation-state.  Any attempt to address these will meet with slippery evasions and changes of the meaning of one or another word.  Or appeals to how badly they have been, alleged to have been, treated, as if that justifies their actions.  True or false is irrelevant.</p>
<p>I keep thinking that Darwin would have suggested we have a little brain bulb which says;, If you keep thinking this illogically, a canis dirus and a smilodon will be arguing over your corpse.  Those without or who ignored it have been Purina for a hundred thousand years.<br />
We have a pleasure center, right?  Why not a logic critic?  More useful.</p>
<p>They must know there&#8217;s something wrong with their argument, but they NEED to make it anyway.  These days, anyway, it&#8217;s somebody else who gets eaten up.</p>
<p>And since they know they&#8217;re lying, in a sense, there&#8217;s no sense in discussing things with them as if they&#8217;re simply misinformed.</p>
<p>The question, for me, is&#8230;how did they get this way?  What&#8217;s in it for them?</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No longer just an academic argument

https://x.com/Sam_Schulman/status/1931434673466458245

The would be mayor of the countries largest city somewhat like sadik khan

Of course the interviewers are quite clueless]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No longer just an academic argument</p>
<p><a href="https://x.com/Sam_Schulman/status/1931434673466458245" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/Sam_Schulman/status/1931434673466458245</a></p>
<p>The would be mayor of the countries largest city somewhat like sadik khan</p>
<p>Of course the interviewers are quite clueless</p>
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		By: Shadow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shadow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;There is footage of protestors asked “Which river? Which sea?”. They don’t know, or profess not to know.&quot;

There&#039;s a video called &quot;Welcome to Gaza Graduation&quot; where a guy walks around asking new graduates this question and others about Israel/Palestine. The video then shows the tuition at the school they just graduated from.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is footage of protestors asked “Which river? Which sea?”. They don’t know, or profess not to know.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a video called &#8220;Welcome to Gaza Graduation&#8221; where a guy walks around asking new graduates this question and others about Israel/Palestine. The video then shows the tuition at the school they just graduated from.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes,		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes,]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2025 22:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[for those with a short memory, thats the guy from Vermont,



everyone has to chip in, on these matters, like AQ franchise, with new management like colonel hillah, who previously had been part of the Yemeni security service who was released from Guantanamo not that long ago, along with a host of others who have ended up across the border in Oman,

they pushed and prodded the notion that he was just some innocent official as with a host of others,

how this happened was much like the maryland man narrative, where they fooled whoever was running the autopen,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for those with a short memory, thats the guy from Vermont,</p>
<p>everyone has to chip in, on these matters, like AQ franchise, with new management like colonel hillah, who previously had been part of the Yemeni security service who was released from Guantanamo not that long ago, along with a host of others who have ended up across the border in Oman,</p>
<p>they pushed and prodded the notion that he was just some innocent official as with a host of others,</p>
<p>how this happened was much like the maryland man narrative, where they fooled whoever was running the autopen,</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes,		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes,]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2025 22:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[it was an ottoman province when Allenby rode into  Jerusalem and Nablus, in 1917,  they were considered Syrian territory then, Gaza was a particularly brutal affair, in the three battles it took to claim it, Lawrence had little to do with it,
so for the purposes it might as well be Zanadu or Shangrila,
Nablus which was where young master Mahdawi was from once called Neapolitan, which is false labeling since it&#039;s far from the sea,

https://www.timesofisrael.com/al-qaedas-yemen-chief-threatens-trump-musk-over-gaza-war-there-are-no-red-lines/

well we can&#039;t let the Houthis have all the fun]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it was an ottoman province when Allenby rode into  Jerusalem and Nablus, in 1917,  they were considered Syrian territory then, Gaza was a particularly brutal affair, in the three battles it took to claim it, Lawrence had little to do with it,<br />
so for the purposes it might as well be Zanadu or Shangrila,<br />
Nablus which was where young master Mahdawi was from once called Neapolitan, which is false labeling since it&#8217;s far from the sea,</p>
<p><a href="https://www.timesofisrael.com/al-qaedas-yemen-chief-threatens-trump-musk-over-gaza-war-there-are-no-red-lines/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.timesofisrael.com/al-qaedas-yemen-chief-threatens-trump-musk-over-gaza-war-there-are-no-red-lines/</a></p>
<p>well we can&#8217;t let the Houthis have all the fun</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2025 21:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boobah:

Kentucky and Detroit aren&#039;t claiming to be nations.  Nor are they attacking their neighbor states, cities, or nations.

As far as Palestinian statehood goes, until the 1960s/1970s the Palestinians identified as Arabs who were part of the Arab world and were content with being part of Egypt or Jordan.  What they wanted - and what they still want - is Israel, not a state of their own.  The Gazans basically had a state and what they did with it was to spend their money on preparing to attack Israel (tunnels dug, armaments gathered, fighters trained) and then attacking Israel during a ceasefire.  They don&#039;t want a functioning state or conventional economy and if they did they would have had one ages ago, including as far back as 1947-1948.  Instead, they want Israel gone and Jews gone, and they tried to take over every Arab state that had the misfortune to welcome them; therefor they were thrown out.  They have a culture, all right - one of death and destruction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boobah:</p>
<p>Kentucky and Detroit aren&#8217;t claiming to be nations.  Nor are they attacking their neighbor states, cities, or nations.</p>
<p>As far as Palestinian statehood goes, until the 1960s/1970s the Palestinians identified as Arabs who were part of the Arab world and were content with being part of Egypt or Jordan.  What they wanted &#8211; and what they still want &#8211; is Israel, not a state of their own.  The Gazans basically had a state and what they did with it was to spend their money on preparing to attack Israel (tunnels dug, armaments gathered, fighters trained) and then attacking Israel during a ceasefire.  They don&#8217;t want a functioning state or conventional economy and if they did they would have had one ages ago, including as far back as 1947-1948.  Instead, they want Israel gone and Jews gone, and they tried to take over every Arab state that had the misfortune to welcome them; therefor they were thrown out.  They have a culture, all right &#8211; one of death and destruction.</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2025 21:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Bobah said &quot;There’s never been a country named Kentucky, Albion, or Detroit, either&quot; 
Kentucky is the name of a state, Albion is an alternate name for Great Britian and Detroit is the name of a city. They are not imaginary. What&#039;s your point?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bobah said &#8220;There’s never been a country named Kentucky, Albion, or Detroit, either&#8221;<br />
Kentucky is the name of a state, Albion is an alternate name for Great Britian and Detroit is the name of a city. They are not imaginary. What&#8217;s your point?</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2025 19:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;@Linda S Fox: &lt;/b&gt;And, now, when two of the members of [Peter, Paul and Mary] are dead, the lone survivor is grooming his kids to carry on the Holy Traditions.&lt;/i&gt;

There was a real Christian presence in the Civil Rights movement, especially via black churches, and you can hear that in PP&#038;M, particularly through Paul Stookey, the lone survivor.

Stookey was the tall one with a nice smile. He wrote &quot;Early in the Morning,&quot; clearly influenced by gospel music, and &quot;Hymn&quot; which was openly about attending Christian church. Later he wrote &quot;Wedding Song&quot; which has become a standard at weddings.

IMO Stookey always had Christian leanings, but it wasn&#039;t until he was in his 30s that he had a full conversion experience to Christianity. He went on to help start the Jesus Music movement.

Stookey has played with liberal and conservative Christians. His music is more personal than preachy. He has led a good life.

There is still a Christian vibe to the progressive movement, although quite watered down, and many progressive Christian churches and members.
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&lt;i&gt;Sunday morning, very bright, I read Your book by colored light
That came in through the pretty window picture.

I visited some houses where they said that You were living
And they talked a lot about You
And they spoke about Your giving.
They passed a basket with some envelopes;
I just had time to write a note
And all it said was &quot;I believe in You.&quot;

--Noel Paul Stookey, &quot;Hymn (Sunday Morning)&quot; (1968)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ceumx&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>@Linda S Fox: </b>And, now, when two of the members of [Peter, Paul and Mary] are dead, the lone survivor is grooming his kids to carry on the Holy Traditions.</i></p>
<p>There was a real Christian presence in the Civil Rights movement, especially via black churches, and you can hear that in PP&amp;M, particularly through Paul Stookey, the lone survivor.</p>
<p>Stookey was the tall one with a nice smile. He wrote &#8220;Early in the Morning,&#8221; clearly influenced by gospel music, and &#8220;Hymn&#8221; which was openly about attending Christian church. Later he wrote &#8220;Wedding Song&#8221; which has become a standard at weddings.</p>
<p>IMO Stookey always had Christian leanings, but it wasn&#8217;t until he was in his 30s that he had a full conversion experience to Christianity. He went on to help start the Jesus Music movement.</p>
<p>Stookey has played with liberal and conservative Christians. His music is more personal than preachy. He has led a good life.</p>
<p>There is still a Christian vibe to the progressive movement, although quite watered down, and many progressive Christian churches and members.<br />
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<p><i>Sunday morning, very bright, I read Your book by colored light<br />
That came in through the pretty window picture.</p>
<p>I visited some houses where they said that You were living<br />
And they talked a lot about You<br />
And they spoke about Your giving.<br />
They passed a basket with some envelopes;<br />
I just had time to write a note<br />
And all it said was &#8220;I believe in You.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Noel Paul Stookey, &#8220;Hymn (Sunday Morning)&#8221; (1968)<br />
<a href="https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ceumx" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ceumx</a></i></p>
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