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		By: BJ		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/06/05/seems-like-the-love-affair-between-trump-and-musk-is-over/#comment-2805819</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2025 07:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wouldn’t be surprised if Elon is eventually diagnosed as bipolar.  The manic highs where you feel like every joke you say is hilarious, every idea you have is genius, and you can feel like you can fly to the moon, rewrite history and do brain surgery all at the same time. That certainly sounds like Elon.

Bipolars often deny their condition, and try to self medicate with alcohol or pills or cocaine or what have you. That sounds like him too.

The sad thing is that he would have a better chance of getting help if he was poor or middle class. He might have had actual family members or friends who are concerned about him and get him some help before he wrecks own life and theirs. Instead, he has a bunch of sycophants who keeping telling him he’s great so they can keep their paychecks coming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn’t be surprised if Elon is eventually diagnosed as bipolar.  The manic highs where you feel like every joke you say is hilarious, every idea you have is genius, and you can feel like you can fly to the moon, rewrite history and do brain surgery all at the same time. That certainly sounds like Elon.</p>
<p>Bipolars often deny their condition, and try to self medicate with alcohol or pills or cocaine or what have you. That sounds like him too.</p>
<p>The sad thing is that he would have a better chance of getting help if he was poor or middle class. He might have had actual family members or friends who are concerned about him and get him some help before he wrecks own life and theirs. Instead, he has a bunch of sycophants who keeping telling him he’s great so they can keep their paychecks coming.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/06/05/seems-like-the-love-affair-between-trump-and-musk-is-over/#comment-2805666</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2025 06:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This could really be a serious rift.
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-torches-tesla-dealership]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could really be a serious rift.<br />
<a href="https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-torches-tesla-dealership" rel="nofollow ugc">https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-torches-tesla-dealership</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2025 02:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ huxley - Scary. I&#039;ve never heard of ketamine before this.
It would be a crying shame to lose Musk&#039;s brilliance to something like that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ huxley &#8211; Scary. I&#8217;ve never heard of ketamine before this.<br />
It would be a crying shame to lose Musk&#8217;s brilliance to something like that.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2025 00:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;@AesopFan: &lt;/b&gt;Musk and ketamine&lt;/i&gt;

Ketamine, first used as an animal tranquilizer, is a weirdly dangerous drug, which has taken down some bright people.
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Marcia Moore came to fame as a sixties yoga teacher. Jess Stearn  wrote about her in &quot;Yoga, Youth and Reincarnation&quot; (1965). Later she married an anesthesiologist and began experimenting enthusiastically with ketamine. She wrote a book about her experiences, &quot;Journeys into the Bright World&quot; (1978). Then one winter she disappeared.

Later her remains were found in the woods near her home. It was suspected she had injected ketamine and died of hypothermia.
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Dr. John Lilly was a CalTech grad who got his medical degree. He was on the forefront of several fields -- brain research, sensory deprivation, dolphin communication and LSD. 

After he encountered ketamine it became his drug of choice for exploration. His usage became addictive and even his friendly suppliers didn&#039;t want to sell him any more. 

He kept taking more, combined with sensory deprivation, and got farther and farther out. At one point he made a panicked call to the White House to warn that silicon intelligence was going to take over the world. He ended up in a mental hospital for a while and he had to play nice to get out.
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At one point Marcia Moore visited Lilly to compare notes on ketamine. They both agreed on what they called the &quot;Seduction of K.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>@AesopFan: </b>Musk and ketamine</i></p>
<p>Ketamine, first used as an animal tranquilizer, is a weirdly dangerous drug, which has taken down some bright people.<br />
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<p>Marcia Moore came to fame as a sixties yoga teacher. Jess Stearn  wrote about her in &#8220;Yoga, Youth and Reincarnation&#8221; (1965). Later she married an anesthesiologist and began experimenting enthusiastically with ketamine. She wrote a book about her experiences, &#8220;Journeys into the Bright World&#8221; (1978). Then one winter she disappeared.</p>
<p>Later her remains were found in the woods near her home. It was suspected she had injected ketamine and died of hypothermia.<br />
____________________________</p>
<p>Dr. John Lilly was a CalTech grad who got his medical degree. He was on the forefront of several fields &#8212; brain research, sensory deprivation, dolphin communication and LSD. </p>
<p>After he encountered ketamine it became his drug of choice for exploration. His usage became addictive and even his friendly suppliers didn&#8217;t want to sell him any more. </p>
<p>He kept taking more, combined with sensory deprivation, and got farther and farther out. At one point he made a panicked call to the White House to warn that silicon intelligence was going to take over the world. He ended up in a mental hospital for a while and he had to play nice to get out.<br />
____________________________</p>
<p>At one point Marcia Moore visited Lilly to compare notes on ketamine. They both agreed on what they called the &#8220;Seduction of K.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2025 23:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m inclined to FOAF&#039;s position: everything we see on the news is filtered through the perception, bias, and agendas of the various news organs, right AND left. We don&#039;t know what is really going on, and probably never will.
We can observe whatever results are made public and speculate.

Musk has positions and goals that are not always in line with Trump&#039;s, and the president&#039;s positions and goals are not always in line with mine, and mine are not always in line with yours (generic universal pronoun).

However, with that in mind, here is a post with something we need to remember about Musk&#039;s position (and I say that will all possible respect and thanks for what he has done in liberating Twitter and managing DOGE).

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/06/06/7-reasons-not-to-trust-elon-musk-over-donald-trump/

The main points are followed by details, and even some of them aren&#039;t necessarily as presented in the post.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
#1: Musk Maintains Deep Ties to China
(probably the one that raises the most red flags for me)
#2: Tesla EV Fires Started Long Before Anti-Trump Crazies Began a Domestic Terrorism Campaign
(note: battery explosions are NOT the same as deliberate vandalism)
#3: SpaceX Controls a Space Monopoly While Musk’s Rockets Blow Up
(note: some of these explosions are explained as an expected part of the improvement process; none of the mission critical ships has failed, AFAIK.)
#4: Musk Had an All-Out Meltdown over H-1B Visas in December
(One of Musk&#039;s agendas which is predictable, but not in line with most of MAGA)
#5: This is Not the First Time Musk has Turned on Trump
(turn-about of big egos)
#6: President Trump was Calling Musk a “Bullshit Artist” as Recently as 2022
#7: Musk has a Checkered Relationship with Drugs Which May Impact His Behavior
(Another big concern for me; a hopped up genius autist is not a good situation.)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Alex Berenson also addresses #7, from a POV of liking and admiring Musk, but very worried if he is indeed over using ketamine and other drugs.
This is from his Substack, which I get in an email feed, but requires a subscription otherwise.
	
&lt;blockquote&gt;Alex Berenson Jun 6
On Elon Musk, Donald Trump, and the problem of ketamine
The world&#039;s richest man has picked a fight with the President of the United States for reasons that only he understands (if he does). I LIKE Elon; I want better for him than this.
...
Does Musk use cocaine and LSD? I don’t know.

But he does regularly use ketamine, a short-acting anesthetic that causes euphoria and dissociation. He’s acknowledged doing so.

And ketamine is plenty dangerous all by itself, as Matthew Perry learned too late. Perry had survived addictions to alcohol and opiates, but ketamine, which he called a “giant happy shovel,” killed him.

I’m worried about Elon Musk.

He’s not acting like the world’s richest man or the head of a big public company or the owner of the world’s most important platform for journalism or a defense contractor with top-secret security clearances vital to American national security.

He is all those things. Not one. He’s all of them. Which is why he’s the most important private citizen in the world.

But he’s not acting like it. He’s acting like a guy who has fallen prey to heavy drug users and the mood swings, instability, irritability, and impulsivity it provokes.

I hope I’m wrong. I want to be wrong. And if I’m not, I hope Musk takes a break, at a minimum, from ketamine and everything else. I hope he gets the help he needs to deal with stresses and demands that must sometimes feel overwhelming.

I hope I’m wrong.

But this is how users act.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m inclined to FOAF&#8217;s position: everything we see on the news is filtered through the perception, bias, and agendas of the various news organs, right AND left. We don&#8217;t know what is really going on, and probably never will.<br />
We can observe whatever results are made public and speculate.</p>
<p>Musk has positions and goals that are not always in line with Trump&#8217;s, and the president&#8217;s positions and goals are not always in line with mine, and mine are not always in line with yours (generic universal pronoun).</p>
<p>However, with that in mind, here is a post with something we need to remember about Musk&#8217;s position (and I say that will all possible respect and thanks for what he has done in liberating Twitter and managing DOGE).</p>
<p><a href="https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/06/06/7-reasons-not-to-trust-elon-musk-over-donald-trump/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/06/06/7-reasons-not-to-trust-elon-musk-over-donald-trump/</a></p>
<p>The main points are followed by details, and even some of them aren&#8217;t necessarily as presented in the post.</p>
<blockquote><p>
#1: Musk Maintains Deep Ties to China<br />
(probably the one that raises the most red flags for me)<br />
#2: Tesla EV Fires Started Long Before Anti-Trump Crazies Began a Domestic Terrorism Campaign<br />
(note: battery explosions are NOT the same as deliberate vandalism)<br />
#3: SpaceX Controls a Space Monopoly While Musk’s Rockets Blow Up<br />
(note: some of these explosions are explained as an expected part of the improvement process; none of the mission critical ships has failed, AFAIK.)<br />
#4: Musk Had an All-Out Meltdown over H-1B Visas in December<br />
(One of Musk&#8217;s agendas which is predictable, but not in line with most of MAGA)<br />
#5: This is Not the First Time Musk has Turned on Trump<br />
(turn-about of big egos)<br />
#6: President Trump was Calling Musk a “Bullshit Artist” as Recently as 2022<br />
#7: Musk has a Checkered Relationship with Drugs Which May Impact His Behavior<br />
(Another big concern for me; a hopped up genius autist is not a good situation.)
</p></blockquote>
<p>Alex Berenson also addresses #7, from a POV of liking and admiring Musk, but very worried if he is indeed over using ketamine and other drugs.<br />
This is from his Substack, which I get in an email feed, but requires a subscription otherwise.</p>
<blockquote><p>Alex Berenson Jun 6<br />
On Elon Musk, Donald Trump, and the problem of ketamine<br />
The world&#8217;s richest man has picked a fight with the President of the United States for reasons that only he understands (if he does). I LIKE Elon; I want better for him than this.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Does Musk use cocaine and LSD? I don’t know.</p>
<p>But he does regularly use ketamine, a short-acting anesthetic that causes euphoria and dissociation. He’s acknowledged doing so.</p>
<p>And ketamine is plenty dangerous all by itself, as Matthew Perry learned too late. Perry had survived addictions to alcohol and opiates, but ketamine, which he called a “giant happy shovel,” killed him.</p>
<p>I’m worried about Elon Musk.</p>
<p>He’s not acting like the world’s richest man or the head of a big public company or the owner of the world’s most important platform for journalism or a defense contractor with top-secret security clearances vital to American national security.</p>
<p>He is all those things. Not one. He’s all of them. Which is why he’s the most important private citizen in the world.</p>
<p>But he’s not acting like it. He’s acting like a guy who has fallen prey to heavy drug users and the mood swings, instability, irritability, and impulsivity it provokes.</p>
<p>I hope I’m wrong. I want to be wrong. And if I’m not, I hope Musk takes a break, at a minimum, from ketamine and everything else. I hope he gets the help he needs to deal with stresses and demands that must sometimes feel overwhelming.</p>
<p>I hope I’m wrong.</p>
<p>But this is how users act.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2025 21:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suspect the speculation that this is &quot;theater&quot; is wishful thinking on the part of the right.  However since I don&#039;t believe anything I read in the news I&#039;m not going to speculate beyond that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the speculation that this is &#8220;theater&#8221; is wishful thinking on the part of the right.  However since I don&#8217;t believe anything I read in the news I&#8217;m not going to speculate beyond that.</p>
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		By: Hep		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hep]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2025 18:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...let’s start seeing some results other than owning the libs.&quot;

I like the crackdowns on illegal aliens and on boys in girls&#039; sports. Also DOGE, but as Musk wrote, if new spending is higher than DOGE savings, you&#039;re not winning.

Trump&#039;s been in office ~4.5 months.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;let’s start seeing some results other than owning the libs.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like the crackdowns on illegal aliens and on boys in girls&#8217; sports. Also DOGE, but as Musk wrote, if new spending is higher than DOGE savings, you&#8217;re not winning.</p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s been in office ~4.5 months.</p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2025 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So this morning Fox says the two will talk today and CNN says Trump refuses to talk to Musk.  LOL.

Kurt Schlichter has a great, as usual, column up on the bro spat.  For anyone growing up with normal preteen and adolescent boys, he points out some obvious facts.  He also points out that Musk has an &quot;engineer&#039;s mindset&quot; and I learned something about myself in the process.  Not an engineer, but close enough.  We of that mindset expect binary outcomes, but politics is poly with outcomes that depend more on the process than the result.  It&#039;s a cause for much anger in those of us with a &quot;binary&quot; mindset.  I now see why I was so angry when dealing with the internal politics at my former college.  Logic and facts be damned 90% of the time.  Gave me some reflection on my past.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2025/06/06/patriots-are-the-losers-in-the-trump-v-musk-fight-n2658289]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this morning Fox says the two will talk today and CNN says Trump refuses to talk to Musk.  LOL.</p>
<p>Kurt Schlichter has a great, as usual, column up on the bro spat.  For anyone growing up with normal preteen and adolescent boys, he points out some obvious facts.  He also points out that Musk has an &#8220;engineer&#8217;s mindset&#8221; and I learned something about myself in the process.  Not an engineer, but close enough.  We of that mindset expect binary outcomes, but politics is poly with outcomes that depend more on the process than the result.  It&#8217;s a cause for much anger in those of us with a &#8220;binary&#8221; mindset.  I now see why I was so angry when dealing with the internal politics at my former college.  Logic and facts be damned 90% of the time.  Gave me some reflection on my past.</p>
<p><a href="https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2025/06/06/patriots-are-the-losers-in-the-trump-v-musk-fight-n2658289" rel="nofollow ugc">https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2025/06/06/patriots-are-the-losers-in-the-trump-v-musk-fight-n2658289</a></p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2025 13:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The gist of it seems to be that Musk felt he was blindsided by all of this and reacted accordingly. 

Musk: I’ve been busting my chops for the past five months trying to save the country from DPOTUS pathologies and non-stop sabotage…and now YOU try to pass THIS POS bill??? Without even telling me???

Trump: Without this bill we won’t be able to continue to save the country. 

And there you have it (more or less). 
Both of these high-powered alphas feel betrayed by his partner in their critical efforts to—there’s no other term for it—save the country within a very limited time frame. 

Instapundit (along with others) has tried to step back and observe the larger picture. 
I certainly hope they’re accurate…or prove to be. 

“TRUMP VS. ELON:”
https://instapundit.com/724152/

“A USEFUL REMINDER:”
https://instapundit.com/724263/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gist of it seems to be that Musk felt he was blindsided by all of this and reacted accordingly. </p>
<p>Musk: I’ve been busting my chops for the past five months trying to save the country from DPOTUS pathologies and non-stop sabotage…and now YOU try to pass THIS POS bill??? Without even telling me???</p>
<p>Trump: Without this bill we won’t be able to continue to save the country. </p>
<p>And there you have it (more or less).<br />
Both of these high-powered alphas feel betrayed by his partner in their critical efforts to—there’s no other term for it—save the country within a very limited time frame. </p>
<p>Instapundit (along with others) has tried to step back and observe the larger picture.<br />
I certainly hope they’re accurate…or prove to be. </p>
<p>“TRUMP VS. ELON:”<br />
<a href="https://instapundit.com/724152/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://instapundit.com/724152/</a></p>
<p>“A USEFUL REMINDER:”<br />
<a href="https://instapundit.com/724263/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://instapundit.com/724263/</a></p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2025 13:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh now im absolutely sold on the break up (sarc)
Now lets focus on more serious matters shall we like the fate of the republic stopping world war 3]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh now im absolutely sold on the break up (sarc)<br />
Now lets focus on more serious matters shall we like the fate of the republic stopping world war 3</p>
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