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		By: LordAzrael		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/06/04/open-thread-6-4-2025/#comment-2805514</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2025 01:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The big problem with population decline isn&#039;t the overall number. It where the growth and fall lies.

Its that the advanced, educated and civilised population is shrinking, whilst the uneducated, violent and uncivilised masses are not only growing, but being brought into western spaces at a rapid rate far exceeding the ability to absorb.

We have the modern day barbarians not only at the gates, but being bought in by the ruling class to pick their cotton and keep them in power. And those barbarians see no value in becoming Romans - in fact they see themselves as superior and the inevitable inheritors of power.

We really are watching the fall of modern Rome in real time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big problem with population decline isn&#8217;t the overall number. It where the growth and fall lies.</p>
<p>Its that the advanced, educated and civilised population is shrinking, whilst the uneducated, violent and uncivilised masses are not only growing, but being brought into western spaces at a rapid rate far exceeding the ability to absorb.</p>
<p>We have the modern day barbarians not only at the gates, but being bought in by the ruling class to pick their cotton and keep them in power. And those barbarians see no value in becoming Romans &#8211; in fact they see themselves as superior and the inevitable inheritors of power.</p>
<p>We really are watching the fall of modern Rome in real time.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2025 20:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Birth control pills, came into use early 1960s.  Note that even some non-Western/East Asian places eg Iran have sub-replacement fertility.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birth control pills, came into use early 1960s.  Note that even some non-Western/East Asian places eg Iran have sub-replacement fertility.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/06/04/open-thread-6-4-2025/#comment-2805398</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2025 07:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A perspective from Richard Fernandez. 
https://pjmedia.com/richard-fernandez/2025/06/04/belmont-club-putin-in-the-spiders-web-n4940464

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Russian has telegraphed his punch, which seems so odd as to almost be contrived. Putin, like a movie villain, gave a speech before actually firing his shot at his supposedly cornered enemy, who in the meantime may find a way to preempt him.

It seems what Putin is actually telling Trump is that they must let him recover some face if the West still hopes to salvage a ceasefire and he hopes the Western counter-counter strike should not be too severe. He wants revenge without escalation.

But Trump is not promising anything. He appears to be saying, &quot;I&#039;ll pass the message along, though Zelensky doesn&#039;t always listen.&quot;  In other words, &quot;I&#039;ve done what I can do for peace and if you  guys still want war then get it out of your system.&quot; There is an appetite for war that has not yet been sated.

The fear now is that Putin, in his wrath, may retaliate with tactical nukes. But that begs the question of why they have not been used by Russia so far. The answer lies in risk. The uncertain course of the Ukraine war has given Kyiv a probabilistic nuclear deterrent. Putin&#039;s inability to control outcomes implies that if he uses nukes, whatever his intent, then events may take an unpredictable course and there&#039;s a chance it will spread to Russia. &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A perspective from Richard Fernandez.<br />
<a href="https://pjmedia.com/richard-fernandez/2025/06/04/belmont-club-putin-in-the-spiders-web-n4940464" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/richard-fernandez/2025/06/04/belmont-club-putin-in-the-spiders-web-n4940464</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The Russian has telegraphed his punch, which seems so odd as to almost be contrived. Putin, like a movie villain, gave a speech before actually firing his shot at his supposedly cornered enemy, who in the meantime may find a way to preempt him.</p>
<p>It seems what Putin is actually telling Trump is that they must let him recover some face if the West still hopes to salvage a ceasefire and he hopes the Western counter-counter strike should not be too severe. He wants revenge without escalation.</p>
<p>But Trump is not promising anything. He appears to be saying, &#8220;I&#8217;ll pass the message along, though Zelensky doesn&#8217;t always listen.&#8221;  In other words, &#8220;I&#8217;ve done what I can do for peace and if you  guys still want war then get it out of your system.&#8221; There is an appetite for war that has not yet been sated.</p>
<p>The fear now is that Putin, in his wrath, may retaliate with tactical nukes. But that begs the question of why they have not been used by Russia so far. The answer lies in risk. The uncertain course of the Ukraine war has given Kyiv a probabilistic nuclear deterrent. Putin&#8217;s inability to control outcomes implies that if he uses nukes, whatever his intent, then events may take an unpredictable course and there&#8217;s a chance it will spread to Russia. </p></blockquote>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2025 00:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Compare and contrast:

“How Columbia Hamas Supporters Led Me To Judaism.”—
https://instapundit.com/723891/

“Princeton Fails To Enforce Its Rules on Free Speech, Antisemitism.”—
https://instapundit.com/723829/

+ Bonus:
“CNN HOST CLAIMS SHE PREPARED FOR US VISIT ‘AS IF I WAS GOING TO NORTH KOREA:’”—
https://instapundit.com/723910/
Yep, it’s Christiane Amanpour…]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compare and contrast:</p>
<p>“How Columbia Hamas Supporters Led Me To Judaism.”—<br />
<a href="https://instapundit.com/723891/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://instapundit.com/723891/</a></p>
<p>“Princeton Fails To Enforce Its Rules on Free Speech, Antisemitism.”—<br />
<a href="https://instapundit.com/723829/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://instapundit.com/723829/</a></p>
<p>+ Bonus:<br />
“CNN HOST CLAIMS SHE PREPARED FOR US VISIT ‘AS IF I WAS GOING TO NORTH KOREA:’”—<br />
<a href="https://instapundit.com/723910/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://instapundit.com/723910/</a><br />
Yep, it’s Christiane Amanpour…</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2025 21:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Chris Mellon on UAPs and NHIs

This is a video which is well worth watching--

Chris Mellon is in the unique position of having been both a long experienced senior Congressional staffer, and the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, he has many contacts in, and is very much aware of how the DOD, IC, and government operates, and his is a very erudite, informed, reasoned, and articulate approach to the whole UAP/NHI Phenomenon. 

In the linked video, titled ““We Are Not Alone”—A Reflection on UAP and Humanity&#039;s Cosmic Context,” just out, he very brilliantly gives an overarching summary of the current state of play. *

*  See  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuyVlw4EOWs]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Chris Mellon on UAPs and NHIs</p>
<p>This is a video which is well worth watching&#8211;</p>
<p>Chris Mellon is in the unique position of having been both a long experienced senior Congressional staffer, and the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, he has many contacts in, and is very much aware of how the DOD, IC, and government operates, and his is a very erudite, informed, reasoned, and articulate approach to the whole UAP/NHI Phenomenon. </p>
<p>In the linked video, titled ““We Are Not Alone”—A Reflection on UAP and Humanity&#8217;s Cosmic Context,” just out, he very brilliantly gives an overarching summary of the current state of play. *</p>
<p>*  See  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuyVlw4EOWs" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuyVlw4EOWs</a></p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/06/04/open-thread-6-4-2025/#comment-2805304</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2025 19:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well jeane kirkpatrick who was probably somewhat of a neocon thought authoritarianism better over totalitarian which was likely the consequence of a power vaccuum somoza pahlevi et al

Now that lesson seems to have been lost with saddamm qadaffi mubarak the jury is still out on assad the soviet system defaulted to a somewhat democratic system on the political sphere but oligarchic on the economic sphere which eventually discredited the former

Certain tropes like the population bomb the &#039;cycle of violence&#039; made it around the world in short order within a generation]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well jeane kirkpatrick who was probably somewhat of a neocon thought authoritarianism better over totalitarian which was likely the consequence of a power vaccuum somoza pahlevi et al</p>
<p>Now that lesson seems to have been lost with saddamm qadaffi mubarak the jury is still out on assad the soviet system defaulted to a somewhat democratic system on the political sphere but oligarchic on the economic sphere which eventually discredited the former</p>
<p>Certain tropes like the population bomb the &#8216;cycle of violence&#8217; made it around the world in short order within a generation</p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/06/04/open-thread-6-4-2025/#comment-2805300</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2025 19:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;While not everyone thought We Were Doomed, no one expected that the Third World would also see a collapse in its birth rates so quickly as it did.&lt;/i&gt;

So, many fell under the spell of... sorry about this... implicit bias. The Third World wasn&#039;t going to respond to relative prosperity the way We First Worlders did or they weren&#039;t going to experience relative prosperity, because of reasons best left unstated (though maybe something to do with communism, which we can go ahead and talk about).

I am reminded that this blog used to be called NeoNeocon, and I used to read it as eagerly then as I do now - and I believed to my bones something approximately the opposite of the paragraph above: I believed that if the troublemaker nations in the Middle East just experienced a taste of Western life and freedom, they&#039;d love it, want it, and change their ways to get it. I was not all that young, but certainly foolish. 

The lesson I take from all this is that the effects - even fairly short-term, such as the &quot;12 years to climate disaster&quot; claims - of large and complex problems are more or less impossible to predict with any confidence. And therefore, when considering solutions, we MUST be conservative, like rock-ribbed conservative, or risk bringing about new horrible problems in our attempts to solve the one we see as most important at the time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>While not everyone thought We Were Doomed, no one expected that the Third World would also see a collapse in its birth rates so quickly as it did.</i></p>
<p>So, many fell under the spell of&#8230; sorry about this&#8230; implicit bias. The Third World wasn&#8217;t going to respond to relative prosperity the way We First Worlders did or they weren&#8217;t going to experience relative prosperity, because of reasons best left unstated (though maybe something to do with communism, which we can go ahead and talk about).</p>
<p>I am reminded that this blog used to be called NeoNeocon, and I used to read it as eagerly then as I do now &#8211; and I believed to my bones something approximately the opposite of the paragraph above: I believed that if the troublemaker nations in the Middle East just experienced a taste of Western life and freedom, they&#8217;d love it, want it, and change their ways to get it. I was not all that young, but certainly foolish. </p>
<p>The lesson I take from all this is that the effects &#8211; even fairly short-term, such as the &#8220;12 years to climate disaster&#8221; claims &#8211; of large and complex problems are more or less impossible to predict with any confidence. And therefore, when considering solutions, we MUST be conservative, like rock-ribbed conservative, or risk bringing about new horrible problems in our attempts to solve the one we see as most important at the time.</p>
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		By: IrishOtter49		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IrishOtter49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2025 19:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like Francis Fukuyama,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Francis Fukuyama,</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/06/04/open-thread-6-4-2025/#comment-2805293</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2025 18:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Sure, like I said above, he’s probably too old to change his views; he however is only one guy and not the only population doomsayer; more of a popularizer than an originator.&lt;/i&gt;
==
He was a biology professor at Stanford University who published in a variety of venues.  Yes, he was an originator.  So was Garret Hardin, another academician.  The characters hired by the Club of Rome who wrote &lt;i&gt;The Limits to Growth&lt;/i&gt; were also academicians.  The principal author of &lt;i&gt;The Global 2000 Report&lt;/i&gt; lived in the think tank blob.  
==
On Ehrlich, the man was not yet 50 when it was apparent he&#039;d misunderstood something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sure, like I said above, he’s probably too old to change his views; he however is only one guy and not the only population doomsayer; more of a popularizer than an originator.</i><br />
==<br />
He was a biology professor at Stanford University who published in a variety of venues.  Yes, he was an originator.  So was Garret Hardin, another academician.  The characters hired by the Club of Rome who wrote <i>The Limits to Growth</i> were also academicians.  The principal author of <i>The Global 2000 Report</i> lived in the think tank blob.<br />
==<br />
On Ehrlich, the man was not yet 50 when it was apparent he&#8217;d misunderstood something.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2025 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“…10000%…”

Phew, now THAT’S wrong!
(BYW, have Paul Ehrlich and Paul Krugman ever been seen together in the same place?)
- - - - - - - -
And in other news, get ready for another scintillating book tour!!

“Ex-WH press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre claims she’s no longer a Democrat while hyping memoir of ‘broken’ Biden admin”—
https://nypost.com/2025/06/04/us-news/ex-wh-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-claims-shes-no-longer-a-democrat-in-teasing-memoir-of-broken-biden-admin/

That’s right! The one and only! Guess she needs to pay the bills…though doing stand up would likely be more profitable….

As far as “ independent” goes, she’s a regurgitator par excellence—that is, when she’s not making s*%^ up. She’s about as “independent” as a sea urchin.
A regurgitator par excellence—that is, when she’s not making s*%^ up.—I wonder if the Independents will take her… Has anyone ever been kicked out of the Indie Party?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“…10000%…”</p>
<p>Phew, now THAT’S wrong!<br />
(BYW, have Paul Ehrlich and Paul Krugman ever been seen together in the same place?)<br />
&#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211;<br />
And in other news, get ready for another scintillating book tour!!</p>
<p>“Ex-WH press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre claims she’s no longer a Democrat while hyping memoir of ‘broken’ Biden admin”—<br />
<a href="https://nypost.com/2025/06/04/us-news/ex-wh-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-claims-shes-no-longer-a-democrat-in-teasing-memoir-of-broken-biden-admin/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2025/06/04/us-news/ex-wh-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-claims-shes-no-longer-a-democrat-in-teasing-memoir-of-broken-biden-admin/</a></p>
<p>That’s right! The one and only! Guess she needs to pay the bills…though doing stand up would likely be more profitable….</p>
<p>As far as “ independent” goes, she’s a regurgitator par excellence—that is, when she’s not making s*%^ up. She’s about as “independent” as a sea urchin.<br />
A regurgitator par excellence—that is, when she’s not making s*%^ up.—I wonder if the Independents will take her… Has anyone ever been kicked out of the Indie Party?)</p>
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