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		By: fiona		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2025/05/24/desantis-proposes-property-tax-relief/#comment-2803781</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2025 18:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fl Resident - Property taxes fund County Government, City Government, Police, Sheriff, Fire, Mosquito districts as well as schools.  Florida schools are funded on a Statewide basis, that is the state collects school taxes and distributes on an FTE basis.  I think Texas is the same way.  There are about 9 taxing authorities and a bunch of exemptions - seniors under certain income limits, wounded first responders and military, etc,but these must be agreed to by the local governments.  Note that you can take a certain amount of your SOH with you when you purchase another home in Florida.
I would love to see a voucher system for the schools.  Enrollment is declining but the Superintendent evidently must be world class with a salary to match, even though we keep having to fire them for various peculations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fl Resident &#8211; Property taxes fund County Government, City Government, Police, Sheriff, Fire, Mosquito districts as well as schools.  Florida schools are funded on a Statewide basis, that is the state collects school taxes and distributes on an FTE basis.  I think Texas is the same way.  There are about 9 taxing authorities and a bunch of exemptions &#8211; seniors under certain income limits, wounded first responders and military, etc,but these must be agreed to by the local governments.  Note that you can take a certain amount of your SOH with you when you purchase another home in Florida.<br />
I would love to see a voucher system for the schools.  Enrollment is declining but the Superintendent evidently must be world class with a salary to match, even though we keep having to fire them for various peculations.</p>
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		By: Thos.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2025 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Idaho caps revenue increases from property tax at 3%/year. If your county had $100 in property tax revenue last year, the most it can get this year is $103 (unless you have an election and the voters approve a larger increase.)

New construction increases revenue, too, of course. If your county&#039;s 100$ in revenue came from taxes on 100 houses, and in the past year people built 100 more houses, the county&#039;ll get double the revenue this year than it would have gotten with only the original 100 houses.

But, if the real estate market goes crazy, and all the properties double in value, the revenue doesn&#039;t double. Instead, the tax RATE is adjusted down so that the county gets the same $103 it&#039;d have gotten if the values hadn&#039;t changed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idaho caps revenue increases from property tax at 3%/year. If your county had $100 in property tax revenue last year, the most it can get this year is $103 (unless you have an election and the voters approve a larger increase.)</p>
<p>New construction increases revenue, too, of course. If your county&#8217;s 100$ in revenue came from taxes on 100 houses, and in the past year people built 100 more houses, the county&#8217;ll get double the revenue this year than it would have gotten with only the original 100 houses.</p>
<p>But, if the real estate market goes crazy, and all the properties double in value, the revenue doesn&#8217;t double. Instead, the tax RATE is adjusted down so that the county gets the same $103 it&#8217;d have gotten if the values hadn&#8217;t changed.</p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2025 13:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[R2L,

No, I meant the homestead exemption, but the SOH plays into it...A complicated accounting scheme.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R2L,</p>
<p>No, I meant the homestead exemption, but the SOH plays into it&#8230;A complicated accounting scheme.</p>
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		By: Fla resident		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2025 12:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What drives unaffordable Florida property taxes is rarely the local services such as police/fire, but, as in many states, the schools. Switch to an all-voucher system and you can cut property taxes by 65 percent according to my tax bill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What drives unaffordable Florida property taxes is rarely the local services such as police/fire, but, as in many states, the schools. Switch to an all-voucher system and you can cut property taxes by 65 percent according to my tax bill.</p>
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		By: Cavendish		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2025 07:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The basic problem seems to be that &quot;government,&quot; wherever that government is and however it is structured, views &quot;citizens&quot; as Cash Cows to be forever milked. 

Which, always, winds up as a one-way ratchet because there is no mechanism short of revolution by which the citizens can reduce the size and appetite of &quot;government,&quot; and even that drastic step usually results in just a different group performing the same dollar extractions under different labels.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The basic problem seems to be that &#8220;government,&#8221; wherever that government is and however it is structured, views &#8220;citizens&#8221; as Cash Cows to be forever milked. </p>
<p>Which, always, winds up as a one-way ratchet because there is no mechanism short of revolution by which the citizens can reduce the size and appetite of &#8220;government,&#8221; and even that drastic step usually results in just a different group performing the same dollar extractions under different labels.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2025 04:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Physicsguy, did you perchance mean to cite Florida&#039;s Save Our Homes program rather than the homestead exemption?
The SOH scheme was instituted many years ago, aimed at keeping seniors from being pushed out of their homes with increasing appreciation raising their taxes beyond affordable levels. I believe it mandates any yearly property tax increases can be no more than the rate of inflation or 3%, whichever is less.  For those of us who have lived in the same house for over 30 years, our PT is about 35% of what it would be if we bought the same property at current market value.

Then again, our property insurance rates in FL also cover potential hurricane losses and our premiums are about double those that apply for similar structures in other states [at least in VA, MI, or MO].
 
I am also waiting to learn just where the replacement revenue is going to come from via DeSantis&#039;s ideas, as FL is also a no-income-tax state [FL, TX, TN, WA, a few others] and sales taxes are generally in the 6-7% range for most counties
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While it might be nice to just pay specific fees for all of the various government services we would claim to want, that would end up being regressive for lower income folks, so the wealth oriented PT is progressive (and probably generally accepted partly on that basis).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Physicsguy, did you perchance mean to cite Florida&#8217;s Save Our Homes program rather than the homestead exemption?<br />
The SOH scheme was instituted many years ago, aimed at keeping seniors from being pushed out of their homes with increasing appreciation raising their taxes beyond affordable levels. I believe it mandates any yearly property tax increases can be no more than the rate of inflation or 3%, whichever is less.  For those of us who have lived in the same house for over 30 years, our PT is about 35% of what it would be if we bought the same property at current market value.</p>
<p>Then again, our property insurance rates in FL also cover potential hurricane losses and our premiums are about double those that apply for similar structures in other states [at least in VA, MI, or MO].</p>
<p>I am also waiting to learn just where the replacement revenue is going to come from via DeSantis&#8217;s ideas, as FL is also a no-income-tax state [FL, TX, TN, WA, a few others] and sales taxes are generally in the 6-7% range for most counties<br />
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While it might be nice to just pay specific fees for all of the various government services we would claim to want, that would end up being regressive for lower income folks, so the wealth oriented PT is progressive (and probably generally accepted partly on that basis).</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2025 01:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Wendy K Laubach:&lt;i&gt;but not much attention given to how to raise funds to operate the government, since we don’t have state income tax here. Normally the idea seems to be sales tax&lt;/i&gt;

Fortunately Texas has its &lt;a href=&quot;https://comptroller.texas.gov/taxes/franchise/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;godawful franchise tax&lt;/a&gt;, on every taxable entity doing business in or formed in or organized in Texas. Texas knows quite well how to collect taxes. Online businesses find it a PITA.

I live in Washington, which also does not (yet) have state income tax, but we also have a godawful B&#038;O tax, on gross business receipts. (Not profits, receipts.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wendy K Laubach:<i>but not much attention given to how to raise funds to operate the government, since we don’t have state income tax here. Normally the idea seems to be sales tax</i></p>
<p>Fortunately Texas has its <a href="https://comptroller.texas.gov/taxes/franchise/" rel="nofollow ugc">godawful franchise tax</a>, on every taxable entity doing business in or formed in or organized in Texas. Texas knows quite well how to collect taxes. Online businesses find it a PITA.</p>
<p>I live in Washington, which also does not (yet) have state income tax, but we also have a godawful B&amp;O tax, on gross business receipts. (Not profits, receipts.)</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2025 01:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Property taxes are a terrible method of funding something like schools, which should be budgeting based on enrollments, not on property values.

When public schools are funded by property taxes, and property appreciates significantly (like in the Seattle metro area), they get more and more revenue which they expand their budget to spend. Property values drop, or the levy expires, and they want to keep up their bloated budgets so they soak the taxpayer again, doesn&#039;t matter if there&#039;s more or fewer kids enrolled. Same thing happens to our fire district, funded the same way.

In my town of 30,000, our middle school has an Astroturf field with fancy scoreboard and big lights--for 11 and 12 year olds to play flag football. Our district publishes a glossy magazine where you can see all the people who work there who have nothing to do with instruction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Property taxes are a terrible method of funding something like schools, which should be budgeting based on enrollments, not on property values.</p>
<p>When public schools are funded by property taxes, and property appreciates significantly (like in the Seattle metro area), they get more and more revenue which they expand their budget to spend. Property values drop, or the levy expires, and they want to keep up their bloated budgets so they soak the taxpayer again, doesn&#8217;t matter if there&#8217;s more or fewer kids enrolled. Same thing happens to our fire district, funded the same way.</p>
<p>In my town of 30,000, our middle school has an Astroturf field with fancy scoreboard and big lights&#8211;for 11 and 12 year olds to play flag football. Our district publishes a glossy magazine where you can see all the people who work there who have nothing to do with instruction.</p>
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		By: Wendy K Laubach		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2025 23:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re having the same debate in Texas.  There&#039;s lots of interest in eliminating property taxes on homes, but not much attention given to how to raise funds to operate the government, since we don&#039;t have state income tax here. Normally the idea seems to be sales tax, which at least has the advantage of being a tax on consumption rather than one on either earnings or wealth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re having the same debate in Texas.  There&#8217;s lots of interest in eliminating property taxes on homes, but not much attention given to how to raise funds to operate the government, since we don&#8217;t have state income tax here. Normally the idea seems to be sales tax, which at least has the advantage of being a tax on consumption rather than one on either earnings or wealth.</p>
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		By: SHIREHOME		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2025 23:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Our PT goes up every 2 yrs, after reevaluations. Two yrs ago it was a real disaster. Rates went through the roof (I see what you did there), and a lot of protests. We have a process to go through to protest, but it really doesn&#039;t work well. There is no real, fair way that they work out your house value. We have Homestead exemption, but it hasn&#039;t gone up in years. Older people can be taxed out of their homes.
As for the comment about what PT pays for, yes that is true. But, they keep coming back for more without trying to cut or hold expenses. School district always asking for more money, for the kids. But the kids see little of it. Instead it seems School District keeps staffing up new departments. 
Tabor is almost gone. We are really catching it in the shorts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our PT goes up every 2 yrs, after reevaluations. Two yrs ago it was a real disaster. Rates went through the roof (I see what you did there), and a lot of protests. We have a process to go through to protest, but it really doesn&#8217;t work well. There is no real, fair way that they work out your house value. We have Homestead exemption, but it hasn&#8217;t gone up in years. Older people can be taxed out of their homes.<br />
As for the comment about what PT pays for, yes that is true. But, they keep coming back for more without trying to cut or hold expenses. School district always asking for more money, for the kids. But the kids see little of it. Instead it seems School District keeps staffing up new departments.<br />
Tabor is almost gone. We are really catching it in the shorts.</p>
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