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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Once asked a prof of African studies what the climate in Nairobi was like. It&#039;s on the equator so I figured....
Like Connecticut in September, he said.  Doesn&#039;t get much better than that.  Especially appealing, I suspect, to the folks from rainy England.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once asked a prof of African studies what the climate in Nairobi was like. It&#8217;s on the equator so I figured&#8230;.<br />
Like Connecticut in September, he said.  Doesn&#8217;t get much better than that.  Especially appealing, I suspect, to the folks from rainy England.</p>
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		By: LXE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LXE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 20:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@miguel cervantes
&#062; the population bomb is not the problem, underpopulation is the problem

Underpopulation of the productive demographics, and population growth of the counter-productive.
&quot;Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@miguel cervantes<br />
&gt; the population bomb is not the problem, underpopulation is the problem</p>
<p>Underpopulation of the productive demographics, and population growth of the counter-productive.<br />
&#8220;Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.&#8221;</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 19:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[no they dismantled it at some point in the 90s, they had the old style nukes like little boy, as is my understanding,
https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/south-african-nuclear-program/

further details here,

the population bomb is not the problem, underpopulation is the problem]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no they dismantled it at some point in the 90s, they had the old style nukes like little boy, as is my understanding,<br />
<a href="https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/south-african-nuclear-program/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/south-african-nuclear-program/</a></p>
<p>further details here,</p>
<p>the population bomb is not the problem, underpopulation is the problem</p>
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		By: Niketas Choniates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niketas Choniates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 19:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Anne, LXE:&lt;i&gt;Does anyone here remember that South Africa has the nuclear bomb? Do you remember how they came about to have it?&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;They did but dismantled them before the handover to the African National Congress.&lt;/a&gt; Wisely. They remain the only country ever to have nuclear weapons and give them up (as opposed to repatriating nuclear weapons belonging to and under control of a foreign power, as the former Soviet republics did).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anne, LXE:<i>Does anyone here remember that South Africa has the nuclear bomb? Do you remember how they came about to have it?</i></p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction" rel="nofollow ugc">They did but dismantled them before the handover to the African National Congress.</a> Wisely. They remain the only country ever to have nuclear weapons and give them up (as opposed to repatriating nuclear weapons belonging to and under control of a foreign power, as the former Soviet republics did).</p>
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		By: LXE		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 19:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Telemachus
&#062; What a combination! And that was built by those Afrikaners (and Brits in the Kwa-Zulu Natal area), and is being dismantled by the current rulers.

It&#039;s too early to say that the tide is turning, but nothing is impossible to God.

One of the good reasons not to demonize Bill Gates is that he, like Elon Mask, is single-handedly focused on one of the existential problems of the humanity.
For Musk, it&#039;s the risk of a planetary extinction event.
For Gates, it&#039;s the population bomb the Third World (particularly, Sub-Saharan Africa) is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Telemachus<br />
&gt; What a combination! And that was built by those Afrikaners (and Brits in the Kwa-Zulu Natal area), and is being dismantled by the current rulers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too early to say that the tide is turning, but nothing is impossible to God.</p>
<p>One of the good reasons not to demonize Bill Gates is that he, like Elon Mask, is single-handedly focused on one of the existential problems of the humanity.<br />
For Musk, it&#8217;s the risk of a planetary extinction event.<br />
For Gates, it&#8217;s the population bomb the Third World (particularly, Sub-Saharan Africa) is.</p>
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		By: LXE		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 19:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; Does anyone here remember that South Africa has the nuclear bomb? Do you remember how they came about to have it?

Do they?
(They do have deposits of uranium, that&#039;s for sure.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Does anyone here remember that South Africa has the nuclear bomb? Do you remember how they came about to have it?</p>
<p>Do they?<br />
(They do have deposits of uranium, that&#8217;s for sure.)</p>
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		By: Anne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 18:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does anyone here remember that South Africa has the nuclear bomb? Do you remember how they came about to have it?]]></description>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 16:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[this Morning Joke you speak of, I think it was Michael Anton, that describe this state of mind, where they deny something, then they finally admit it as a finite good, or necessary evil,

the two lead countries in the West, the US and the UK, looked away from the damage that Mugabe threatened because Ian Smith, was bad,  ok, and Muzorewa was not authentic enough, hence a generation or two was blighted his made in China toxic brew, there are speculation that one amenable rebel leader, Chitopo was zeroed out, to make way for Mugabe, the official, that was reportedly involved was kept on by Mugabe what does that tell you, Even the Reagan administration did not notably move against him, as they did against
Nujoma, Chissano, and Dos Santos, then again was there any rebel network to 
rally for,

just a few years later, you have the South African Total War and the Umkhonto final onslaughts, they were easy to hate, demography and justice argued against them, I think I became aware of Mandela in high school, when they did one of those pointless charity events, by musicians, on the anniversary of his imprisonment,

much like the Maryland Man or Effendi Khalil the reason for his detention was passed over in most media,

the Rivonia trials, may have been flawed in some ways, but they were about an attack on the Capitol in Johannesburg, you get a sense of this in Wilbur Smiths rage, of course imprisoning Mandela did not stop Umkhonto, any more than doing that to Arafat or Sheikh Yassin]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this Morning Joke you speak of, I think it was Michael Anton, that describe this state of mind, where they deny something, then they finally admit it as a finite good, or necessary evil,</p>
<p>the two lead countries in the West, the US and the UK, looked away from the damage that Mugabe threatened because Ian Smith, was bad,  ok, and Muzorewa was not authentic enough, hence a generation or two was blighted his made in China toxic brew, there are speculation that one amenable rebel leader, Chitopo was zeroed out, to make way for Mugabe, the official, that was reportedly involved was kept on by Mugabe what does that tell you, Even the Reagan administration did not notably move against him, as they did against<br />
Nujoma, Chissano, and Dos Santos, then again was there any rebel network to<br />
rally for,</p>
<p>just a few years later, you have the South African Total War and the Umkhonto final onslaughts, they were easy to hate, demography and justice argued against them, I think I became aware of Mandela in high school, when they did one of those pointless charity events, by musicians, on the anniversary of his imprisonment,</p>
<p>much like the Maryland Man or Effendi Khalil the reason for his detention was passed over in most media,</p>
<p>the Rivonia trials, may have been flawed in some ways, but they were about an attack on the Capitol in Johannesburg, you get a sense of this in Wilbur Smiths rage, of course imprisoning Mandela did not stop Umkhonto, any more than doing that to Arafat or Sheikh Yassin</p>
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		By: Cornhead		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 16:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This AM on Morning Joe I was informed that this was all a conspiracy theory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This AM on Morning Joe I was informed that this was all a conspiracy theory.</p>
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		By: Abraxas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abraxas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 14:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What we heard in the Clinton and Obama years was that we needed to take the early signs of genocide seriously and take action before it became something that would universally be considered genocide.  We heard it during the Obama years in large part because of what happened in the Clinton years (Rwanda).  Whether we really can &quot;take action&quot; every time oppression begins anywhere in the world is another matter, but at least we can open our eyes and point things out. 

Good for Trump.  Something like this needed to be done.  Worrier that I am though, I can&#039;t help wondering how he&#039;d react if some foreign leader &quot;ambushed&quot; him like this.  He can&#039;t count on always being in control of the situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we heard in the Clinton and Obama years was that we needed to take the early signs of genocide seriously and take action before it became something that would universally be considered genocide.  We heard it during the Obama years in large part because of what happened in the Clinton years (Rwanda).  Whether we really can &#8220;take action&#8221; every time oppression begins anywhere in the world is another matter, but at least we can open our eyes and point things out. </p>
<p>Good for Trump.  Something like this needed to be done.  Worrier that I am though, I can&#8217;t help wondering how he&#8217;d react if some foreign leader &#8220;ambushed&#8221; him like this.  He can&#8217;t count on always being in control of the situation.</p>
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